the strongest weapon?

[andry9726]

in your opinion which is the most powerful evolved weapon?

[Biirz]

In my opinion, runetracer is the best weapon even though it doesn't have any evolution.

As for the evolved weapons, I'd say the lightning ring.

[Ame-kun]

pre-lightning loop I would have said Death Spiral, but LL is pretty dang nuts.

[little Star]

Lightning Loop is the best one by far, especially because it scales with the 3 most important upgrades (damage, cooldown and area), it always hits something and it evolves with the best passive item (duplicator)

The best 3 are probably Lightning Loop, Vandalier and La Borra now ..

And even if people want to say Runetracer is great, sadly it's not. Because even though it scales with 6 different passives, building the weapons those passives belong to makes Runetracer obsolete, because they kill everything already. >.>

If it's about raw damage however, Heaven Sword iirc does the most, even if it's unpredictable with a bad item that evolves it.

[YukoValis]

It isn't a simple question as one might think. Do you mean raw DPS, or the most useful?

When it comes to damage the highest DPS I get are from The king bible, Vandalier, and oddly enough the Heaven Sword. Runetracer does ok.

Now if you want powerful and utility then the king bible still takes the cake. It can rip through bosses. You get the Unholy vespers upgrade for it and you will do insane damage while keeping people away from you.

A lot of people say the runetracer, but I've learned to avoid that one. Late game it only pushes enemies on you. Sure it hits massive amounts of enemies to build up the DPS counter, but it isn't killing them. If anything it can get you killed instead.

The other two powerhouses I'd like to share is the santa water, and the bone. Both strong, but most importantly useful.

[Aristocratic Cthulhu]

You're not giving Runetracer enough props here. Sure, once you have a ton of heavy hitting items it's not going to kill anything anymore but it still global knockback which, if the RNGesus is mad at you, can be a livesaver as it gives the other weapons more time to actually kill. It also carves paths through weaker mobs which is useful early on.

By the same token I could say that La Borra is also bad because sometimes the rest of your build is so good that the enemies won't even get into it's AOE while you're standing still. Had that happen multiple times already and the same goes for Vandalier. At least Runetracer is always doing something.

[Aristocratic Cthulhu]

Originally posted by YukoValis:

A lot of people say the runetracer, but I've learned to avoid that one. Late game it only pushes enemies on you. Sure it hits massive amounts of enemies to build up the DPS counter, but it isn't killing them. If anything it can get you killed instead.

I've never seen Runetracer push enemies into me, Bible on the other hand has killed me multiple times with that. Also, by your logic Death Spiral is also bad because it doesn't actually kill, it only hits a lot of enemies in slow intervals.

[YukoValis]

Originally posted by Aristocratic Cthulhu:

I've never seen Runetracer push enemies into me, Bible on the other hand has killed me multiple times with that. Also, by your logic Death Spiral is also bad because it doesn't actually kill, it only hits a lot of enemies in slow intervals.

It is hard to notice when there is a mob. When the runes bounce off the walls they are sending enemies either towards you or possibly in your way. It is easy to justify runetracer because of the high DPS, but it really doesn't have the stopping and killing power of other weapons. It chips a lot. With a fully upgraded bible I manage to shred bosses in seconds. I have never had it kill me ever. It is a constant rotating blade of heavy damage.

[Ghostlight]

I have found the Thunder Loop singularly unimpressive for late game.

My choice for best evolved weapon is Fire Wand. Late game just follow its piercing projectiles as they destroy everything in a single direction.

[Aristocratic Cthulhu]

Bible pushing enemies into me has really only been an issue early on when it doesn't have many upgrades and it's irregular, might be some hitbox fukery.

As for Runetracer only doing chip damage, that's also true for the upgraded weapons including Hellfire. Weapons don't exist in a vacuum and you always end up with 6 except on a fresh save. Runetracers softens enemies up for the heavy hitters and cleans up the rest who survived the onslaught.

Another great example is Holy Wand. Even getting it as early as possible it still struggles to even reach 1.8m damage done. Sounds bad, right? Except it is very useful in keeping enemies away from you which is it's primary purpose.

Just because a weapon isn't the uber-shredder doesn't mean it's bad. In fact the only uber-shredder weapon in the game is ironically also the worst one you can pick up (Pentagram).

[luvckay]

Originally posted by Aristocratic Cthulhu:

You're not giving Runetracer enough props here. Sure, once you have a ton of heavy hitting items it's not going to kill anything anymore but it still global knockback which, if the RNGesus is mad at you, can be a livesaver as it gives the other weapons more time to actually kill. It also carves paths through weaker mobs which is useful early on.

By the same token I could say that La Borra is also bad because sometimes the rest of your build is so good that the enemies won't even get into it's AOE while you're standing still. Had that happen multiple times already and the same goes for Vandalier. At least Runetracer is always doing something.

If you have issue with La Borra and Vandalier, you are playing it wrong.

[YukoValis]

It is nearly impossible for the Unholy Vespers to push enemies into you. It is always knocking them backward. It doesn't have much knockback either so you can stand there and have it rip through all the hordes. Even bosses aren't safe. I dare say I can probably complete the level with only the Unholy Vespers. I can't say the same when it comes to the runetracer. Both are deadly weapons, but the bible is a class well above is all I'm saying.

[Ghostlight]

Originally posted by Aristocratic Cthulhu:

Runetracers softens enemies up for the heavy hitters and cleans up the rest who survived the onslaught.

In my experience you do not need a weapon that softens up distant enemies that are not in your face (Runetracer, Santa Water, Lightning Ring etc). These are useful early on but not required at all, and useless late game when you are totally surrounded at all times and operating in a tiny safe space.

What you do need instead is lots of weapons that murder things that are RIGHT in your face (or keep them away from you).

[Aristocratic Cthulhu]

Originally posted by YukoValis:

It is nearly impossible for the Unholy Vespers to push enemies into you. It is always knocking them backward. It doesn't have much knockback either so you can stand there and have it rip through all the hordes. Even bosses aren't safe. I dare say I can probably complete the level with only the Unholy Vespers. I can't say the same when it comes to the runetracer. Both are deadly weapons, but the bible is a class well above is all I'm saying.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that Vespers is bad. In fact I stopped taking it precisely because it's so hilariously busted and you can even throw in Soul Eater to increase it's knockback together with Holy Wand and nothing will get to you. Throw in Vandalier and even just regular Santa Water (evolving it might even be a downgrade in this case) and you have a perfect killing field around you that even the minute 25 boss can't go past.

[luvckay]

Pure DPS = Vandalier

[YukoValis]

yeah and I'm in no way saying runetracer is bad either. I just find that one more of a hazard than anything. One thing I like about the game is that almost any weapon can be viable.