Top best weapons?

[BalgaBear]

Runetracer #1! (Share if you know of a better one)

[放弃治疗小学生]

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The DPS on the final result page is not so objective, as the density of monster mops is getting obviously higher through out 30 mins, causing its DPS visually higher when a weapon is evolved later.
A good way to compare the "TRUE DPS" of different weapons, is to evolve them at the same time to look at the DPS on the final result page.
https://imgs.aixifan.com/newUpload/633451_01240a16882c46d384f37aefc7866d6e.png
As you can see on my ♥♥♥, I evolved Heaven Sword, Hellfire and Death Spiral at almost the same time, and it is clearly seen that Heaven Sword did the most DPS, almost 2 times as that of Hellfire, and almost 3 times as that of Death Spiral.
This is how i get the conclusion that Heaven Sword is the Number One weapon in the game. Unfortunately I did not have the time to do the test between Vandilier and Heaven Sword.

With so many effects competing for AoE real estate, you're getting a measure of the best parse sniping weapon, but not a measure of real DPS potential. You're also cranking out evolved weapons near the 22m-23m mark, when they screen will become considerably denser; this will also exaggerate a parse relative to weapons being used since early in the run, like Runetracer.

Yet, to compare the "true" damage potential between different weapons, my wai is sound to be the only effective way, or, in respect of "variate control" to be more reliable, which is to evolve the subjects to be compared at almost the same time. Remember, my method is not to "Estimate the DPS amount", but only to "Compare the damage potential" of different weapons.
It is a "qualitative" conclusion that Heaven Sword is the Number One weapon, not a "quantitative" one. By the way, Heaven Sword also beats Vandalier in this method.
https://imgs.aixifan.com/newUpload/633451_7590d2d253a94aa9b38d21f55bf750e1.png

[Entz]

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You keep saying this, and you're still wrong.

https://ibb.co/sCCDFR1

Even in the photo you provided the weapon with the highest DPS is the Vandalier. The runetracer beat the vandelier for total damage output but you also had it for a about a third longer. If you look the damage proportional to the time they were in use they are very similar.

Like most things in this game it is situation and build dependent. I noticed for instance that you were using Dommario. The runetracer's damage output is greatly enhanced by both projectile speed and duration making it one of the best weapon picks for Dom who gets a huge bonus in both. If you were to run that same build on Porta you would get quite different results.

The Rune Tracer certainly is a top tier damage dealer particularly with Dom, but if I had to pick a champion for overall top damage dealer it would have to go to the Vandelier since it will out perform the Rune Tracer in a wide variety of builds and situations where as I have to really work at a very specific build to make the Rune Tracer beat it. La Borra deserves an honorable mention as well. It is a consistent beast when it comes to damage and I've had runs where it out damages both the runetracer and Vandelier.

I should add that Vandelier is a huge pain in the neck to unlock and level up compared to the Rune Tracer or La Borra and I have actually ♥♥♥♥♥♥ myself shamefully killed while trying to rush unlocking the thing. It doesn't end well when the enemies start piling in and your only weapons are like two level 6 birds, some holy water and a fire wand.

Not only that but if you walk left and right with the vandalier to actually make it hit maximum enemies it does wayyy more damage and provides you with gems.
I noticed that past 25 minutes the rune tracer doesn't actually kill anything. It touches all the monsters making it look good but it doesn't actually help with clear speed.
The fact that his rune tracer was doing so much damage tells me his screen was filled with monsters as he wasn't actually clearing very fast - this makes rune tracer look really good. Start killing everything in sight and runetracer is a waste of space. It is an early game crowd control weapon just like king bible or garlic. That is all it is. The upgraded axe doesn't need help getting kills from rune tracer - it works much better with something focused like Vandelier

[GarethDF]

All the evolved ones are good, you just have to build a combo around them, for instance, garlic, whip, bible has knock-back and recovery. Regarding the non-evolved ones the best is runetracer for sure, way too much damages.

[Hoki]

"top best weapons" - best in what? while dmg is very important its not necessarily "highest dmg = best weapon".

lightning ring is great at clearing the map but is very weak against beafier critters.
holy wand is the opposite of that: good against individual targets but can get overwhelmed.
the bird: high dmg and good coverage but it has blind spots
bibles: high dmg, good knockback but a directional weapon. mixed waves (like ghosts and werewolves as an early example) can push through.

the list goes on like that.

personally i avoid the bible if possible due to the bad combination with the trinket required. the devils bible has no use for the spellbinders duration increase and therefor becomes a dead pick for this weapon. unless i focus other weapons that rely on duration (santa water, bones and runetracer afaik) it feels like a okayish pick at best.

the axe is a great jack of all trades when upgraded - always worth grabbing given nearly (if not) all other weapons benefit from the trinkets area increase as well. santa water synergizes greatly with this combination (with full area increase you can cover every direction with no downtime afaik)

[放弃治疗小学生]

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"top best weapons" - best in what? while dmg is very important its not necessarily "highest dmg = best weapon".

lightning ring is great at clearing the map but is very weak against beafier critters.
holy wand is the opposite of that: good against individual targets but can get overwhelmed.
the bird: high dmg and good coverage but it has blind spots
bibles: high dmg, good knockback but a directional weapon. mixed waves (like ghosts and werewolves as an early example) can push through.

the list goes on like that.

personally i avoid the bible if possible due to the bad combination with the trinket required. the devils bible has no use for the spellbinders duration increase and therefor becomes a dead pick for this weapon. unless i focus other weapons that rely on duration (santa water, bones and runetracer afaik) it feels like a okayish pick at best.

the axe is a great jack of all trades when upgraded - always worth grabbing given nearly (if not) all other weapons benefit from the trinkets area increase as well. santa water synergizes greatly with this combination (with full area increase you can cover every direction with no downtime afaik)

Not my diagnostics lol. Axe has no interaction with duration which is provided by spell binder, and its evolution, Death Spiral, does not get benefit from duplicator, which cant get amount increased, and even works worse with the bracer which provides faster projectile speed lol.

IMO, a good weapon should get as many as benefits from the 6 power up items (Spinach for power, Empty Tome for cdr, Bracer for projectile speed, Candelabrador for area, Spellbinder for duration and Duplicator for amount). Put away the situation of Library to get extra passive item slot, from all weapons to do damage, only the pigeons and La Borra have this characteristic. However, La Borra requires Attractorb to evolve, so, it can only have 5 of the buffs at most. On the other hand, Heaven Sword has benefit from 5 of these items, except for duration provided by Spellbinder. Luckily, Heaven Sword needs Clover to evolve, so it fits the item slots.

As a conclusion, Heaven Sword is the Number One Weapon of all. By the way, it also beats Vandalier in the DPS check where they were evolved at almost the same time.
https://imgs.aixifan.com/newUpload/633451_7590d2d253a94aa9b38d21f55bf750e1.png

[Eyeburn]

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With so many effects competing for AoE real estate, you're getting a measure of the best parse sniping weapon, but not a measure of real DPS potential. You're also cranking out evolved weapons near the 22m-23m mark, when they screen will become considerably denser; this will also exaggerate a parse relative to weapons being used since early in the run, like Runetracer.

Yet, to compare the "true" damage potential between different weapons, my wai is sound to be the only effective way, or, in respect of "variate control" to be more reliable, which is to evolve the subjects to be compared at almost the same time. Remember, my method is not to "Estimate the DPS amount", but only to "Compare the damage potential" of different weapons.
It is a "qualitative" conclusion that Heaven Sword is the Number One weapon, not a "quantitative" one. By the way, Heaven Sword also beats Vandalier in this method.
https://imgs.aixifan.com/newUpload/633451_7590d2d253a94aa9b38d21f55bf750e1.png

I did it for you.

https://imgbb.com/RTd8Sp0

You have to complete the items in a way that gives them shared screen time during a game to do a relevant comparison.

[Eyeburn]

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Even in the photo you provided the weapon with the highest DPS is the Vandalier. The runetracer beat the vandelier for total damage output but you also had it for a about a third longer. If you look the damage proportional to the time they were in use they are very similar.

Like most things in this game it is situation and build dependent. I noticed for instance that you were using Dommario. The runetracer's damage output is greatly enhanced by both projectile speed and duration making it one of the best weapon picks for Dom who gets a huge bonus in both. If you were to run that same build on Porta you would get quite different results.

The Rune Tracer certainly is a top tier damage dealer particularly with Dom, but if I had to pick a champion for overall top damage dealer it would have to go to the Vandelier since it will out perform the Rune Tracer in a wide variety of builds and situations where as I have to really work at a very specific build to make the Rune Tracer beat it. La Borra deserves an honorable mention as well. It is a consistent beast when it comes to damage and I've had runs where it out damages both the runetracer and Vandelier.

I should add that Vandelier is a huge pain in the neck to unlock and level up compared to the Rune Tracer or La Borra and I have actually ♥♥♥♥♥♥ myself shamefully killed while trying to rush unlocking the thing. It doesn't end well when the enemies start piling in and your only weapons are like two level 6 birds, some holy water and a fire wand.

Not only that but if you walk left and right with the vandalier to actually make it hit maximum enemies it does wayyy more damage and provides you with gems.
I noticed that past 25 minutes the rune tracer doesn't actually kill anything. It touches all the monsters making it look good but it doesn't actually help with clear speed.
The fact that his rune tracer was doing so much damage tells me his screen was filled with monsters as he wasn't actually clearing very fast - this makes rune tracer look really good. Start killing everything in sight and runetracer is a waste of space. It is an early game crowd control weapon just like king bible or garlic. That is all it is. The upgraded axe doesn't need help getting kills from rune tracer - it works much better with something focused like Vandelier

Any weapon can be made to look like the biggest DPS option if you manipulate the conditions to support it: https://ibb.co/P6Mygk3

Also, nothing you said about Runetracer not killing enemies, or about Vandalier being "focused" is true.

[忍バツ]

I love the blood tear whip and the rainbow homing pigeons.

[LordShoe]

Interesting metrics people are using for "best weapon"
high DPS and damage don't make it a best weapon.

Take library for example, if you continue in one direction, Santa water + Attractorb hits things on top of/behind you. So its only ever clearing in the direction youre not travelling in and hitting stuff your other passive AOE would be hitting and killing with no danger of it getting to you.

Or take upgraded knives. Its directional, and I saw it do 3rd more dps/damage in a run, but it let me down because of that same fact, having to aim it there I wanted it to shoot.

So I'd say, the best weapon is the one that allows you to survive the longest.

[BalgaBear]

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Interesting metrics people are using for "best weapon"
high DPS and damage don't make it a best weapon.

I love the library, and I love runetracer/Mega Garlic

[Fluff]

Here is a best combo of strongest weapons for you:


Vandelier -
La Borra -
These are top 1 by dmg, no arguing here, if you get less dmg on them, you play your run wrong (running too much or leveling last minutes etc). Allows full afk standing since upgraded.


Unhole Vespers -
Death Spiral -
These 2 boost aoe of everything and duration and push mobs from you untill you lvlup water and bird fully and after that as extra help if the game will ever have 40-50 minutes. With first 2 u don't rly need book since noone willl come close, but looking for future updates.


Thunder Loop -
Became super good after evolution, especially with these weapons combos.

Bone -
Because skeleton is the best hero, we are stuck with a bone for now. Will probably be awesome when gets evolution.

If you play other hero than skeleton, then you can get any other weapon that you like as 6th (7th if you count bird upgrade). I prefer skeleton for max fun, since all powerups done. I'm looking forward for the bone evolution. The game doesn't want to make screenshots for me, but dps both for water and bird reaches >10k in each run i tried, and i tried combos with all weapons, including runetracer (which is not rly good, since it just gets it's dmg number for hiting random enemies, that are very far away and not in dager proximity to you and doesn't keep them away either), swords, and all others. Btw, upgraded fire wand is pretty good. And we should take spinach anyway, though everything is doable without it.

[Snix]

Bible hands down with Bracer because of the knockback, enemies cant enter your zone due to that.
After that I would say Hellfire, because if you've got Empty Tome to back it up, you just spray it around non-stop and with no delay + it easily beats Runetracer in DPS by 4k and total damage by over 1mil at the least.

[NeonRed]

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personally i avoid the bible if possible due to the bad combination with the trinket required. the devils bible has no use for the spellbinders duration increase and therefor becomes a dead pick for this weapon. unless i focus other weapons that rely on duration (santa water, bones and runetracer afaik) it feels like a okayish pick at best.

Spellbinder has value for bible after evo; increased duration allows it to have overlap (2 rings at once), if you're on Dommario you can have 3 vesper rings active at once (you'll easily see each of the runes trailing behind another)

[Senzoba]

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Runetracer #1! (Share if you know of a better one)

vandalier does about 5 to 6 million damage

[Eyeburn]

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Bible hands down with Bracer because of the knockback, enemies cant enter your zone due to that.
After that I would say Hellfire, because if you've got Empty Tome to back it up, you just spray it around non-stop and with no delay + it easily beats Runetracer in DPS by 4k and total damage by over 1mil at the least.

Wrong again: https://ibb.co/qg2Jnxt

You guys need to learn how to fairly compare weapon performances and how the endscreen parses can be manipulated and incredibly misleading by the time stamps. If your two competing weapons don't have the same accessory support and uptime during the 30m game, then your comparison of the numbers is irrelevant.

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Runetracer #1! (Share if you know of a better one)

vandalier does about 5 to 6 million damage

Another one: https://ibb.co/0Cm0tS4