I got a question about gameplay post 30minute mark. How the reapers function.

[PcbZorg]

Hey Survivors!

Few days ago i went through this insane Dairy run. I needed exactly one more chest to evolve lancet right before the half-hour mark hit, but it never got it. Then the reaper came.
I did have the evolved laurel, and there were plentiful chicken drops, so the ever increasing reaper mob couldn't kill me. But their health was too high and without the Infinite Corridor, my damage output wasn't sufficient enough to get them.
I soldiered on for over an hour, eventually giving up, because it took forever and i had no idea whether it's even possible to get them in that situation (i also had the full hollow heart so the reaper probably started with insane HP) and frankly, just running around picking up chickens for an hour isn't exactly fun.

Few screenshots from the run:
https://imgur.com/gallery/2AlenU1

My questions are about the reapers.

1.Was it possible to eventually get the reapers in the situation described above?

2.How exactly the multiplying mechanics work? At what point the reapers multiply?

I read that reaper health pool is 65535 times the player level.
3.But how does the game count that? Do the reapers have shared HP pool, or does each individual reaper have hitpoints that are 65535 times the player level when it spawns?

I know that generally it IS possible to kill the reapers without the infinite corridor, because i got into few situations where i didn't have it past the 30minute mark, yet i killed them. Sometimes quite fast. So i guess it all comes down to the reaper HP...

Thanks!

P.S.
I can't wait for more content. Despite initially thinking that this game couldn't interest me (because there's already pretty much perfect title of this genre - Crimsonland), i tried it, got hooked fast and never regretted the purchase. Vampire Survivors are a lot of fun. I hope that we're going to get more levels, more weapons, more enemies. It's amazing!

[Zirkalaritz]

Originally posted by PcbZorg:

Hey Survivors!I read that reaper health pool is 65535 times the player health.

Reapers health is 65535 times player LEVEL, not health.
answer to 2 is every minute a new one spawns full hp.
And yes, Death can be killed without the evolved lancet, but it takes a long while, specially if you were very high level when the 30 minute mark hit.

[_Kotik]

You are on old patch? Crimson shroud now damages reaper for 1% max hp, so you don't need evolved lancet.

[PcbZorg]

Thanks for the player health/player level correction. I'll edit the post to fix that.

[PcbZorg]

Originally posted by _Kostas:

You are on old patch? Crimson shroud now damages reaper for 1% max hp, so you don't need evolved lancet.

No, fully updated.

[Dedlok]

I've killed the Reaper multiple times yesterday without the Corridor, just the Evolved Laurel yesterday while getting the new stuff from the Beta so I am not sure why you were having an issue. Most of the runs I was level 100+ by the end.

[captnmax]

Originally posted by Zirkalaritz:

Originally posted by PcbZorg:

Hey Survivors!I read that reaper health pool is 65535 times the player health.

Reapers health is 65535 times player LEVEL, not health.
answer to 2 is every minute a new one spawns full hp.
And yes, Death can be killed without the evolved lancet, but it takes a long while, specially if you were very high level when the 30 minute mark hit.

It is worse than that, actually. Red Death has 655,350 HP, not 65,535, and yes it is multiplied by the character's level. Also, don't forget that his HP is boosted by any curse you have, plus any health boosts that the map might have .
So, with a level 100 character, Red Death has 65 MILLION HP, with no other modifiers (curse or map boost).

You can still kill him, but be prepared to be there for a while if you don't have a lot of high damage weapons.

[PcbZorg]

Originally posted by captnmax:

Originally posted by Zirkalaritz:

You can still kill him, but be prepared to be there for a while if you don't have a lot of high damage weapons.

Well, yeah, take a look at the imgur screenshots i linked in the post.
I gave up after 111minutes in the level. Almost hour and half past the 30minute mark.
I could go on for waaay longer than that, but not knowing whether i can actually kill them, i got demotivated and bored. So i just stopped picking up the chickens, and committed very slow suicide.

[Desden]

Originally posted by PcbZorg:

Originally posted by captnmax:

Well, yeah, take a look at the imgur screenshots i linked in the post.
I gave up after 111minutes in the level. Almost hour and half past the 30minute mark.
I could go on for waaay longer than that, but not knowing whether i can actually kill them, i got demotivated and bored. So i just stopped picking up the chickens, and committed very slow suicide.

The level ends after the 35 minutes mark with the untargeted death, how can you be 111 minutes there

[PcbZorg]

Originally posted by Desden:

Originally posted by PcbZorg:

The level ends after the 35 minutes mark with the untargeted death, how can you be 111 minutes there

I have no clue what you're talking about.
Nothing happens at the 35minute mark.
The Red Death appears at 30minute mark. If it doesn't kill you, you can stay in the level however long you wish to (or at least until the White Death comes).
ONLY, and ONLY after you kill the Red Death, the unkillable White Death appears and dispatches the player, that is unavoidable (at least until the dev decides to change that).
But the appearance of White Death is not tied to a specific timestamp - it appears after the Red Death gets killed, not sooner. And since the time it takes to kill the Red Death is a variable, not a constant, it's not tied to a specific time. Sometimes you kill the Red Death before it even starts multiplying, sometimes it takes way longer (as was the case of my playthrough i described in the post)
The White Death might appear at 31 minute mark, it can appear at 90 minute mark. And i'm pretty sure there are OP players who can bait Red Death however long they want.
It all depends on the Red Death's health pool (i.e.how long it survives the player's attacks) and on the player build (mostly whether the player has evolved Lancet+Laurel). The Crimson Cloak caps incoming damage to the player, so Red Death can't kill you as easily.
Nothing specific happens at 35 minute mark.

[_Kotik]

Originally posted by PcbZorg:

Originally posted by Desden:

I have no clue what you're talking about.
Nothing happens at the 35minute mark.
The Red Death appears at 30minute mark. If it doesn't kill you, you can stay in the level however long you wish to (or at least until the White Death comes).
ONLY, and ONLY after you kill the Red Death, the unkillable White Death appears and dispatches the player, that is unavoidable (at least until the dev decides to change that).
But the appearance of White Death is not tied to a specific timestamp - it appears after the Red Death gets killed, not sooner. And since the time it takes to kill the Red Death is a variable, not a constant, it's not tied to a specific time. Sometimes you kill the Red Death before it even starts multiplying, sometimes it takes way longer (as was the case of my playthrough i described in the post)
The White Death might appear at 31 minute mark, it can appear at 90 minute mark. And i'm pretty sure there are OP players who can bait Red Death however long they want.
It all depends on the Red Death's health pool (i.e.how long it survives the player's attacks) and on the player build (mostly whether the player has evolved Lancet+Laurel). The Crimson Cloak caps incoming damage to the player, so Red Death can't kill you as easily.
Nothing specific happens at 35 minute mark.

White death can't appear on minute 90. You can get white death only if you have Crimsom shroud or Corridor. If you kill red reaper by any other means like on 90 minute by normal weapons or on 30 minute with game killer arcana there wouldn't be white death.

[PcbZorg]

Originally posted by _Kostas:

Originally posted by PcbZorg:

White death can't appear on minute 90. You can get white death only if you have Crimsom shroud or Corridor. If you kill red reaper by any other means like on 90 minute by normal weapons or on 30 minute with game killer arcana there wouldn't be white death.

Looks like noone told that to White Death in my game.
Every single one of my runs where i killed the Red Death(s) ended up with me being killed by White Death. Just a little while after the Red Death kill, after i picked up the eggs. No matter what is on the timer at that moment.
Do you have all characters & achievements unlocked?