Is Smith IV is the best character right now to spend golden eggs on?

[Gypsy Jesus]

Can you please share a list of characters that are worth grind of gold eggs? What do u think about Smith IV? Cheers!

[Soft Lockpick]

With the new arcana you should always pick it first. Your first ten mins with low eggs you won't be farming a ton of gold anyway and the snowball effect it has is important.

[HeraldOfOpera]

Escrito originalmente por Soft Lockpick:

With the new arcana you should always pick it first. Your first ten mins with low eggs you won't be farming a ton of gold anyway and the snowball effect it has is important.

Disclaimer: you must be able to handle the times when your curse is doubled. That may not be practical at low eggs.

[Soft Lockpick]

If you've gotten to the point where the new arcana is unlocked you should be well past the point of handling it.

[TyresTyco]

Escrito originalmente por Soft Lockpick:

If you've gotten to the point where the new arcana is unlocked you should be well past the point of handling it.

Thats not true. The sudden speed increase can surely overwhelm unegged characters easily. Not everyone plays red death.

[Soft Lockpick]

Unegged characters also have unegged curse. It's totally doable.

[Palarran]

I've still gotten better results picking Disco of Gold before Wicked Season. 11 minutes is a long time to go without Disco of Gold.
I now have close to 20,000 eggs on Trouser. He gets 10 million gold in half an hour, doing nothing except for a few seconds at the start (picking Disco of Gold and levelling La Robba, crown, mask, skull, box, attractorb, and spinach, then choosing "always random" for Limit Break) then opening the arcana chest at minute 11 to pick Wicked Season. Even if I forget to pick up Wicked Season I still get about 8 million gold standing entirely still.
Some other weapons seem to work about equally well. Out of curiosity I chose Peachone as Trouser's sole weapon for a run with about 12,900 eggs and got 7.8 million gold, and then Cherry Bomb for the next run with 13,700 eggs and got 8.6 million gold. Bone was a disaster though, earning no gold at all in the first 2 minutes of a run.

[Vengyr]

It's funny how good La Robba is, I've dismissed this weapon as a joke one, but it usually ends up topping the damage charts along with La Borra (considering that La Borra enters at it's full power while you still need to level La Robba).

[TyresTyco]

Escrito originalmente por Soft Lockpick:

Unegged characters also have unegged curse. It's totally doable.

Depends on a lot of things. My smith for example wasnt fast enough to outrun the mobs when the sudden speed increase started.

[Pustka]

Escrito originalmente por Palarran:

I've still gotten better results picking Disco of Gold before Wicked Season. 11 minutes is a long time to go without Disco of Gold.
I now have close to 20,000 eggs on Trouser. He gets 10 million gold in half an hour, doing nothing except for a few seconds at the start (picking Disco of Gold and levelling La Robba, crown, mask, skull, box, attractorb, and spinach, then choosing "always random" for Limit Break) then opening the arcana chest at minute 11 to pick Wicked Season. Even if I forget to pick up Wicked Season I still get about 8 million gold standing entirely still.
Some other weapons seem to work about equally well. Out of curiosity I chose Peachone as Trouser's sole weapon for a run with about 12,900 eggs and got 7.8 million gold, and then Cherry Bomb for the next run with 13,700 eggs and got 8.6 million gold. Bone was a disaster though, earning no gold at all in the first 2 minutes of a run.

what map do you use this strategy on ?

[Pustka]

Feels like at zero eggs Trousers is to week to do anything. I'll have to do some runs with red death and get him some eggs

EDIT: ok made my first successful run with Trouser.
Red Death 183 eggs -> I get around 320k
Trouser 100 eggs -> I got 630k

so it's nice. will try to pump more eggs into him and see where it goes

[Kylr]

Bone zone is the map he is probably using. As for wicked vs disco first. I did a run with disco first and got 1.5 mil, without applying those eggs I did another run with wicked first. Same everything, I got 3.9 mil on the wicked first run. For me wicked first is the obvious winner.

[kagypoo]

Even with no eggs (I haven't really done any egg/gold farming, highest character is like 200), I'm been able to take Trouser into the library and make tons of gold. I've had runs of 400-500k with under 100 eggs on him, hope to switch to Bone Zone soon.

[Wizu]

Big Trousers is the best farmer, letting you choose the weapon you start with since on different egg levels different weapons are better. At 5k eggs, he makes 5 million with almost pure afking. He peaks at around 20k eggs after which you can start leveling other characters super fast making 10-15 million a run'ish. On a regular run, Trouser usually reaches level 500-1000 near the end giving him massive Greed Gain and making him better than the character Gains for grinding purposes on Bone Zone.

Yeah been experimenting with this a bit, trying to get the best farm going. On high egg counts, the true danger of Bone Zone is boredom 1), photo sensitivity induced epilepsy 2), Stalker 3) that spawns at 10 minutes, the green ghost of killings and Winged Skeletons 4) who might be run-enders if your curse outpaces your killing potential, they might suck up a revive or two if you dont have Disco of Gold yet to regen-tank the dmg.

Less important is Drowner at 20 minutes who just needs to be hit to not drown you and both La Robba and Garlic with enough area do this without needing to move.

Lets address all these issues:

!) Boredom is easy, just do this afk, you can put on always random and afk it all while also making MORE gold for when the game is tabbed out and on the background, it goes to fps slowdown but the gold keeps coming in. For every 1 real world second you get roughly 3 seconds worth of gold gain. This keeps Disco of Gold working with even bigger streaks and lets you do something more engaging meanwhile. When your magnet is high enough at around 2-3k eggs on Trousers with Attraction orb, all destroyed torches off screen automagically give you their gold bags re-triggering the Gold Rush without moving letting you afk farm.

2) This is a big one, most weapons in the game make your eyes bleed and the brain go into seizures if you're even the least bit sensitive. La Robba is a very good weapon for early-egg farming, it scales amazingly below 1k Eggs and allows you to get the ball rolling but like Phieraggi, La Robbas animations are absolute eye-cancer even on second monitor with constant inecessant flashing. You want a weapon that that makes the least graphical effects since the screen is anyhow going tot be filled with exp gems and gold coins from dying enemies. There are scarse few ones, the most I've experimented on were either ineffective, a ton is a knockback weapons (bad since if the first hit doesnt kill the enemy they take longer to die slowing everything down) or graphical nightmares (Gatti Amari is awesome but its constant flashing lights, Phieraggi is auto-seizure whenever it levelups, La Robba on high egg levels or in run levels is frikking trippy, Song of Mana/Mannaja might be fun on drugs but I dont partake).

Out of all, Garlic is the best. No knockback so boss chests always drop right next to you/on you, no visual effect past X amount of area increase so you can see all gold bags easy, kills off screen to make magnet vacuum gold bags to keep Gold Rush going and scales with +1% might meaning +1 base damage, boosted with items + at 21 minute mark taken Silent Old Sanctuary it does the dps enough to Kill waves in 28-29 minute mark with 2 hits even on lower egg levels as long as you only have 1 or 2 weapons enabled.

3) Stalker boasts the biggest danger of gameover on Bone Rush with enough curse and not enough movespeed, if you lack the revives to tank him for the whole minute he is onscreen its a run ender to the point that you wont get the phat millions of gold to buy hundreds of eggs in a carpal tunnel induced clicking. On low egg counts you need to start with Disc of Gold to outheal it/or the mobs of enemies but just running usually works, your revives need to last only to tank it.

Always save all your rerolls (and preferably have all of them available before starting this) to get the cards you need XIII Wicked Season, XV Disco of Gold and XX Silent Old Sanctuary. Depending on your egg levels, you might need to start with a different one but in the end starting with Wicked Season is ALWAYS going to be more as 1st pick gold since the stacking greed from levelups more than makes up for the Disco of Golds beginning gold for the first 10 mins. The safest in very very low egg levels is Silent Old Sanctuary making sure enemies cant kill you, then go Disco Of Gold to get the monies and last can be the III Tragic Princess to kill the last waves without death, Wicked Season wont stack in 21 min mark enough to make sense.

With Wicked Season activein low egg levels before you already vacuum everything, it benefits you to run around and gather gems only when the Crown triggers making early egg farming more micro intensive and involved for best gains.

You need Hyper Mode (to outrun Stalker), dont take Hurry Mode since last waves are most important to milk for money, Arcana Mode is needed for the cards and Limit Break is essential so your mainweapon can outpace the enemy hp gain from your levels/curse. Any level you get and percent of curse is more hp for enemies. And you need the ability to choose how many weapons you can have maximum.

Lets talk loadout.

Weapons:
Never take more than 2 weapons! Super low egg levels, you might want max 2 weapons for La Robba (Pre 1k eggs)/Garlic (1k eggs or more) and LAUREL (the mistletoe thingy of invulnerability) to tank Stalker with some runnings, start with Silent Old Sanctuary and you're gucchi. On high egg levels (as soon as you can revive tank Stalker), drop down to just Garlic as only weapon since youre in no danger of gameover from dying. With Garlic and Limit Break, if you're low egg level you gotta manually do the levelups until 11 minute mark-ish and always select +1% might since it also adds +1 base damage to outpace the enemies in mid/lategame, after that put it on always random.

Passives:
There are some that are essential, that either give you the ramp you need (enough exp to outpace enemies) or damage to kill them dead before they gib you. In every case, the list is quite short and you need to adjust it as you get more eggs and can become more efficient. In order of importance...

1) Attractorb suck in all orbs
Without this you'll never be efficient, also needed in pre 10-20k egg levels to suck gold bags from beyond visual range. After 50k eggs, you can use something else for this. But by then, you wont need to use anything else for this and should have leveled some other character instead with those superfluous 30k eggs.

2) Torrona's Box omnistats and at level 9 100% curse
Take the last level only after Stalker is gone if at all possible is the best advise for this item, you need it to ramp the enemy count via curse so you can snowball basically. Always pick.

3) Crown +40% exp gain
Need the experience to get the snowball going, this helps! Always pick.

4) Skull O'Maniac +50% curse
Until you have base 300-400% curse, the skull lets you snowball. After 300-400% base curse you can change to Candelabrador since by that time you can start with Wicked Season instead having the revives to tank Stalker.

5) Spinach 50% damage
We need damage to kill enemies dead, this helps with it making might gain from Limit Break more effective. Always pick.

6) Empty Tome -40% cooldown
Before you reach -100% cooldown (starting with Silent Old Sanctuary and 2 weapons you can reach -100% with just tome and Silent Old), switch out of Tome after you reach base -20% cooldown or switch back into it when you start starting with Wicked Season instead of Silent Old Sanctuary for more farming before you reach -100% cooldown. To make damage ticks happen every frame, you might need this to reach that coveted -100% cooldown.

7) Stone Mask 50% Greed
Lets be honest, surviving the run is more important to reach the last levels than the base 50% Greed from the Mask, since Trousers has level scaling Greed. When you can finally use it, your egg gain will ramp up but its more important to reach the point you can use it than to use it from 0 eggs if you want to be efficient/fast.

8) Candelabrador +50% area
When you have a flex slot open from not needing Empty Tome, Skull O'Maniac or Tiramisu, Candelabrador helps you kill offscreen making it much more efficient much earlier/faster.

?) Tiramisu +2 Revives
In edge cases (or super super early with no eggs) the 2 revives might let you revive tank the Stalker, and once you're on your last life it vanishes giving you the slot back so you can put on Stone Mask for the gold grinding - very handy and a flex slot.

Hope this helps someone! Might copypaste this as a guide for current version.

[Wizu]

I made it into a guide for anyone who wants it in better format, here it is.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2846834480
Put on proof there that it can be done with No Eggs to get the ball rolling. Surprisingly, Soulstealer turns out to be the key and La Robba as 0 egg Ambrose was impossible to get rolling as fast.

[Kylr]

Trouser at 2.5k eggs, Lightning ring (not evolved) is my goto. It fits the bill of not making ur brain seize up and it insta screen clears after the 2 min mark. When it gets rolling and its aoe increases its common to never see a mob on your screen. As your cooldown goes down (or up) it just gets better and better. I had tried garlic earlier (dont remember at what egg count) but it did not have the punch then.

I also use the evolved moon to vacum up the exp outa range. Might drop that when my magnet gets high enough, as im notsure if its added exp works out to be that much. With random level ups on tho it only sucks up a few level ups so if its adding even a little exp its worth it. Those are the only weapons I use.

Skull, Orb, Bar, cooldown book, mask, Crown. Those are the passives I use.

Wicked-disco- then either sanctuary or mad grove to bring the gold ring and the other curse thing. I cant decide which is better so i flip flop.

At 10 mins, evolve moon, 11 mins grab disco, 21 mins grab the last arcana. Afk the rest of the time.

At 2.5k eggs im ending a run at level 1300 ish. 6-7 ish mil gold. Lightning ring is getting around 2g dps with evolved moon getting 2.2g ish. Im not exactly sure why moon is getting so much dps as everything is dead offscreen with or without it.