Evolving Weapons

[Leiraion]

Is there a reason why sometimes you'll have the weapon fully upgraded, have the evolution support item and then the boss chest just doesn't give you an evolution? It's really annoying to have runs brick because 3 times in a row I just don't get an evolution.

[Johnny Thunder]

Messaggio originale di Malibloo:

Messaggio originale di Johnny Thunder:

I am the source.

There's not a single chest after the 10 minute mark (other than Arcana chests at 11 and 21) that can't contain an evolution.
Source: Me. The wiki. Practically everybody else on this board.

If you think it doesn't, it means you didn't qualify.
Also no, picking up a chest that dropped at 5 minutes when you're past 10 minutes doesn't work. Believe me, I've tried many a times, on many levels.

That's nice but myself and many others have experienced chests after 10 minutes not providing an evolution even when one should have popped up so you are wrong. I don't know if it's tied to the level you are on or weapon slot like some people say but not every chest after 10 minutes will provide an evolution, even if you have the requirements.

[captnmax]

Messaggio originale di JaviMc:

Messaggio originale di captnmax:

Any chest that drops BEFORE the 10 minute mark, will NOT evolve a weapon no matter when you finally open the chest. It must be a chest that has dropped AFTER the 10 minute mark. There are some exceptions, but it is limited to a few maps and sometimes just a particular chest.
Also, the weapon has to be at max level, you can't evolve a weapon if it is not at max level or you banned the weapon before it reached its max level.
In the case of the Lancet and Laurels all 3 items MUST be at max level, you can't ban any of the needed items before they are maxed out or you won't be able to evolve them.

If you have the correct passive and a chest that drops after that 10 minute mark and you are still not getting any evolutions you might want to try uninstalling and reinstalling your game, it is possible that you have some corrupt game files.

Not sure what else I can offer, I haven't encountered that error on any of the matches I have played in this game.

bro it is weird, ive played several matches in different maps and evolutions worked with no problem but in bone zone it got hard to evolve. i got chest from more than minute 10 and obviusly the weapon is maxed (concreatly garlic) and it didnt evolved with 3 chests

That's bizarre. It could be something weird with the Bone Zone map, where the Devs only designated a few chests to evolve weapons. I rarely play Bone Zone, so it could just be something special about that map OR there could be some bug with that map and evolution chests.

I know that the bat, that spawns at minute 1 in Mad Forest, has a chance to drop a chest that will evolve a weapon, but only chests dropped after 10 minutes will evolve weapons on the same map.
Library and Gallo Tower seem to be pretty standard with the 'only after 10 minutes' rule for chest evolutions.
Pretty much any chest from minute 1 onwards, in Dairy Plant, can evolve any weapons.
I think Capella Magna is the same as Dairy Plant, with any chest evolving weapons.

It wouldn't surprise me to find out that Bone Zone (and other maps) have some chests that are just designed to not evolve weapons and just provide upgrades or gold/chicken.

[towly]

the 10 min chest on the bonezone is 100% an evo-chest
(tbh i havent paid attention to those after)
those before will not

if i am bored i will pay attention on a run this weekend and post the results for the bonezone

*edit* every chest from minute 10 onwards (expect ofc the arcana chest) is an evo chest

(should not have tested this with limitbreak and eggs on ...)

[Vexleigh]

I also did a test run in Bone Zone.
Pugnala, 1000 eggs, Hyper and Arcana on, Hurry and Limit Break off.

Weapons, items, and Arcana I took in the order that I took them:

Pugnala's starting weapons: Phieraggi's component weapons
Vento Sacro
Peachone
Whip
Laurel
Ebony Wings
Clock Lancet
Bracelet

Crown
Torrona's Box
Empty Tome
Tiragisú
Duplicator
Hollow Heart
Silver Ring
Metaglio Left
Gold Ring
Metaglio Right

XV: Disco of Gold
I: Gemini
VIII: Mad Groove

I made sure to have something ready to evolve every time I opened a chest, and I picked "extra effort" weapons in order to have as much as possible to evolve.

3-, 5-, and 8-minute chests evolved nothing, as expected
10-minute chest evolved Whip into Bloody Tear
(11-minute chest contained Arcanum, no evolutions)
13-minute chest evolved Phieraggi
15-minute chest evolved Vandalier
17-minute chest evolved Fuwalafuwaloo
19-minute chest evolved Bracelet into Bi-Bracelet
20-minute chest evolved Bi-Bracelet into Tri-Bracelet
(21-minute chest contained Arcanum, no evolutions)
23-minute chest evolved Laurel into Crimson Shroud
25-minute chest evolved Clock Lancet into Infinite Corridor
I received further chests at 27 and 28 minutes, but had nothing left to evolve.

TL;DR: If a post-10-minute chest in Bone Zone (or anywhere else) isn't evolving a weapon for you, you didn't meet the requirements of evolving a weapon.

Feel free to poke holes in my execution, I'm prepared to do additional test runs with suggested changes.

[Deathman.Kenshi]

If it bothers you there is hidden character which bypass this problem and can pick up evolutions from ANY chest, so you can sport evolved weapon from 1st dropped chest if you focus on that (so it works like when game evolution was 1st released :))

[Boy Weevil]

Messaggio originale di Vexleigh:

I also did a test run in Bone Zone.
Pugnala, 1000 eggs, Hyper and Arcana on, Hurry and Limit Break off.

Weapons, items, and Arcana I took in the order that I took them:

Pugnala's starting weapons: Phieraggi's component weapons
Vento Sacro
Peachone
Whip
Laurel
Ebony Wings
Clock Lancet
Bracelet

Crown
Torrona's Box
Empty Tome
Tiragisú
Duplicator
Hollow Heart
Silver Ring
Metaglio Left
Gold Ring
Metaglio Right

XV: Disco of Gold
I: Gemini
VIII: Mad Groove

I made sure to have something ready to evolve every time I opened a chest, and I picked "extra effort" weapons in order to have as much as possible to evolve.

3-, 5-, and 8-minute chests evolved nothing, as expected
10-minute chest evolved Whip into Bloody Tear
(11-minute chest contained Arcanum, no evolutions)
13-minute chest evolved Phieraggi
15-minute chest evolved Vandalier
17-minute chest evolved Fuwalafuwaloo
19-minute chest evolved Bracelet into Bi-Bracelet
20-minute chest evolved Bi-Bracelet into Tri-Bracelet
(21-minute chest contained Arcanum, no evolutions)
23-minute chest evolved Laurel into Crimson Shroud
25-minute chest evolved Clock Lancet into Infinite Corridor
I received further chests at 27 and 28 minutes, but had nothing left to evolve.

TL;DR: If a post-10-minute chest in Bone Zone (or anywhere else) isn't evolving a weapon for you, you didn't meet the requirements of evolving a weapon.

Feel free to poke holes in my execution, I'm prepared to do additional test runs with suggested changes.

I am here to poke holes. Had Vicious Hunger ready to go well past the 10 minute mark in the bone zone and opened AT LEAST 4 chests before it popped the upgrade for me. Also worth noting is that drops in the bone zone will frequently show up as purple glitching squares.

Anyone claiming that all chests past the 10 minute mark will always contain an evolution if requirements are met is full of dookie.

[Aristocratic Cthulhu]

Sounds like someone's game files are ♥♥♥♥♥♥, try validating them. Also, the minute 11/21 Arcana chests will not contain an evolution if Arcanas are disabled, not yet unlocked, if you have the max number of Arcanas or if you don't have enough Arcanas unlocked to get more.

[Aristocratic Cthulhu]

Also, it oculd be that you accidentally sealed some evolutions. The Collection menu is made very neat in that clicking on anything automatically seals it.

[drakobn]

I know this is anecdotal and all but I had the same thing happen the first time I tried to evolve Vicious Hunger specifically. Had it ready to go well past the 10 minute mark but a couple chests didn't evolve it, it didn't evolve until after I also maxed out the Stone Mask. I later sealed the cat since I hate it so I haven't tried again since though.

[KellyR]

Messaggio originale di Johnny Thunder:

Messaggio originale di Malibloo:

There's not a single chest after the 10 minute mark (other than Arcana chests at 11 and 21) that can't contain an evolution.
Source: Me. The wiki. Practically everybody else on this board.

If you think it doesn't, it means you didn't qualify.
Also no, picking up a chest that dropped at 5 minutes when you're past 10 minutes doesn't work. Believe me, I've tried many a times, on many levels.

That's nice but myself and many others have experienced chests after 10 minutes not providing an evolution even when one should have popped up so you are wrong. I don't know if it's tied to the level you are on or weapon slot like some people say but not every chest after 10 minutes will provide an evolution, even if you have the requirements.

What specifically were you trying to evolve? Some evolutions have more involved requirements.

[senitewolf]

Almost all chests dropped after 10 mins (that aren't arcana chests to begin with) will work and give you the evolution. But occasionally the game will indeed glitch out. I've been around since 0.4 or so, it has been a thing then and I still see it happen. So no, it is not always the player missing something (though it certainly is also not always the chests either).

[Aristocratic Cthulhu]

I have 217h in this game and I've yet to have a chest not give me an evolution when all the requirements were met. Me thinks this is a layer 8 problem.

[captnmax]

I wonder if the people saying they have opened multiple chests AFTER the 10 minute mark are 'saving' pre 10 minute chests that drop and thinking that they will evolve a weapon if they open it after 10 minutes.

Any chest that drops BEFORE the 10 minute mark WILL NOT evolve weapons on The Bone Zone, no matter when you open it.
There are a couple maps that can evolve from any chest from minute 1 (Dairy Plant, Capella, are maps that come to mind and the minute 1 boss on Mad Forest), but on the other maps, the bosses do not drop evolution chests until after the 10 minute mark and I am pretty sure that Bone Zone is one of those maps that doesn't spawn evolution chests until after 10 minutes.

[Meredith K Pseudonym]

The Waves section of given stage's wiki article seems to imply that it's the minibosses themselves that decide whether or not a chest has an evolution. If someone's saying they opened a chest that dropped after the 10 minute mark and not evolved a weapon from it despite meeting all other requirements, they could well be telling the truth.

[captnmax]

Messaggio originale di Meredith K Pseudonym:

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If someone's saying they opened a chest that dropped after the 10 minute mark and not evolved a weapon from it despite meeting all other requirements, they could well be telling the truth.

Well, that's the sticking point, they didn't say anything about a chest that had dropped AFTER the 10 minute mark, only that they opened multiple chests after the 10 minute mark.

If you look at some of the more recent posts where people claim to not be able to evolve a weapon, they state that they have MULTIPLE CHESTS (or a couple of chests) 'ready to go' and it was 'well past' the 10 minute mark and that they had to open up multiple chests before they got an evolution.

The only thing I can come up with is that they either sat around and waited until about minute 14 or 15 before trying to open a POST 10 minute chest drop (remember, they said they have multiple chests ready to go) OR they accumulated up several that had dropped BEFORE the 10 minute mark and waited for 20 or 30 seconds and then started opening chests up.
The second scenario is more likely and they are probably working under the mistaken assumption that they only have to wait until 10 minutes and then 'magically' ANY chest would evolve weapons, which is wrong for the Bone Zone.