The survivors are too hard to beat, needs nerfing

[Ninian]

The survivors are just ridiculously OP. Even coordinating SEVERAL GUILDS together to swarm them with 1000+ players they still total party wipe us every time with like... a screen full of freaking bullet hell nonsense. How do the devs expect anyone to want to play this game, being a monster has never been so demoralizing. After the boss phase progresses to the point their attacks evolve or they get unions, team chat TURNS SO FREAKING TOXIC. More salt than the Don Juan Pond.

I'll grant you the enrage timer is pretty satisfying and unique though. Watching the boss get melted by the grim reaper after thirty minutes. But that's supposed to be OUR accomplishment, darn it.

[captnmax]

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But... man. The live service and MTX stuff is too much. I sometimes think it'd have been better if it was something amazing like... I dunno, $3.00 and you get to be something awesome like the survivor. And that'd be it, just a good deal. That's just wishful thinking in the current game industry climate though.

That would never work. The game is great because of the social aspects, and that amazing feeling when you finally beat the survivor. It's about community. Like, I can see why the thought is compelling, but in practice it just wouldn't be fun.

Social Aspects? Dude. This is about beating those damned Survivors. I mean, I saw one of those poor souls over in the Forest, that was carrying his head around in his hands. It was as if some survivor had come along and ... Handed him his head.

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The current meta almost definitely is focusing down the survivor before they snowball into what is basically a waste of a half-hour if you let it get that far along. My guild's go-to? Use one of those daily login consumables that makes a bunch of you "zoom" towards them. Get them behind a tank and "push" the tank onto the survivor. You can sometimes get a gank if they're distracted. Because it takes a consumable that you either get on login reward or off the in-game store, I don't think they'll ever fix this cheese.
But... man. The live service and MTX stuff is too much. I sometimes think it'd have been better if it was something amazing like... I dunno, $3.00 and you get to be something awesome like the survivor. And that'd be it, just a good deal. That's just wishful thinking in the current game industry climate though.

I have a gold coin, hidden inside a candelabra, that I know is worth, like, a lot, and I would gladly give that up to get that login power up, those Survivors are just too tough to beat normally.

[captnmax]

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But... man. The live service and MTX stuff is too much. I sometimes think it'd have been better if it was something amazing like... I dunno, $3.00 and you get to be something awesome like the survivor. And that'd be it, just a good deal. That's just wishful thinking in the current game industry climate though.

Just to derail the thread: Nice shot across the bow of the current industry.

I remember when you would buy a game (at a box store) and on day 1 (release day), you would get 'the full monty', everything the game has to offer, right out of the box. We would occasionally get little 'atta boy' gifts, like note pads or tiny figurines as a thank you from the game developers.

Now it feels like the industry is just trying to figure out how they can increase profits even more, while turning out garbage. Day 1 patches, Day 1 DLCs, Day 1 loot boxes, and Premium (the full game) and Standard (crippled edition of the game) versions. Plus the added garbage of 'Live Services' and 'Online only' play, because, you know, they don't want people to 'cheat' and play the game they want.

/Rant Off
Sorry about that, I just have to vent now and then about how the gaming scene has changed and, in my opinion, not for the better.
Back to our regularly scheduled fun. :-)

[LunyDR]

Come at me scrublord I'm ripped.

[Ninian]

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Just to derail the thread: Nice shot across the bow of the current industry.

I remember when you would buy a game (at a box store) and on day 1 (release day), you would get 'the full monty', everything the game has to offer, right out of the box. We would occasionally get little 'atta boy' gifts, like note pads or tiny figurines as a thank you from the game developers.

Now it feels like the industry is just trying to figure out how they can increase profits even more, while turning out garbage. Day 1 patches, Day 1 DLCs, Day 1 loot boxes, and Premium (the full game) and Standard (crippled edition of the game) versions. Plus the added garbage of 'Live Services' and 'Online only' play, because, you know, they don't want people to 'cheat' and play the game they want.

/Rant Off
Sorry about that, I just have to vent now and then about how the gaming scene has changed and, in my opinion, not for the better.
Back to our regularly scheduled fun. :-)

(OOC:) Considering the chest opening animation in this game, Vampire Survivors absolutely is trying to undermine all that nonsense. I absolutely want poncle to feel appreciated for his positive contribution -- a lot of people are going to be able to unhook themselves from toxic compulsive gaming habits by using VS as part of their treatment.

I agree with all you said, but I also think a major problem is a sense of self respect a lot of players don't have anymore. A lot of the silly theatrics in this thread are kind of meant to be a nod to that lack of self-respect or refusal to empower oneself by playing or doing something that feels good to do. (as opposed to both whining on a forum about a game that's fundamentally broken like the Evil Dimension version of Vampire Survivors, or compulsively spending money on a game that makes them one of tens of thousands effectively powerless players instead of something that uplifts or inspires them.)

Thanks for reading <3 back to reverse VS shenanigans. Thank goodness we got our timeline's version.

[TemmieNeko]

this thread is so unfunny, it's actually kinda painful.
about as off-topic as ya can get.
farming steam awards about a typical reddit thread that derails is not cool.

[Chromeshellking]

I find there is a perfect balance of Darkness Vs. Light.

[Zeel Ara]

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this thread is so unfunny, it's actually kinda painful.
about as off-topic as ya can get.
farming steam awards about a typical reddit thread that derails is not cool.

Thanks for your valuable input.

[Ninian]

Ever been in like, a huge zerg and literally NO ONE is paying attention to the cats? They don't despawn, guys. Freaking get away from them if you see them, don't just barrel down on the pink one just because she's almost a free kill at the round start.

[Shun]

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this thread is so unfunny, it's actually kinda painful.

Sorry but fun is allowed here. I would appreciate you cease this discrimination against monsterkind thank you, have a nice day.

[Remnant Melody]

QUESTION! Why is OUR boss Leda over there just rolling around with the survivors?!

[jasonred79]

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QUESTION! Why is OUR boss Leda over there just rolling around with the survivors?!

You remember that one guy who figured out how to unlock the Red Reaper and keeps Kill Stealing us at 30 minute mark? ... He sometimes rolls around with the survivors too, and he's OPAF, he starts off with a weapon that is normally locked out, and just murders all of us from the get go!

[MindTreat]

This game is so unrealistic its embarrassing. I evolved the cats, and i didn't get tigers? come on...

[Sel Und Irae]

Doesn't need nerfing just need people to stop using abilities prematurely **Cough** Suiciders **Cough** and people to stop using Quick Respawn since it drops Gemstones for the Survivor to get extra points to empower themself.

[Phantom]

Ok... I might have been mistaken when I said earlier that you can just win

We encountered this guy...

Literally stood still, he didn't move a muscle ONCE.

We tried again and again, but he just sat there... its like he was afk the entire match...

So after 30 minutes big brother comes in to curb stomp the guy... and... it didn't even move... about a minute or so later bro had other bro come help him, this went on for a while... after like 40 minutes into the match... big bro was beaten, they actually killed a full on reaper class build... they are supposed to be almost like a GM coming to help us... I mean we eventually got the guy... but it took another 10 minutes before enough of the reapers came in to swarm him down.

[Luciandevine]

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You'd think that'd be cathartic but like... like... there's a bug where the plant traps all get disjointed and holes form in the line? And the survivor just slips out like it's nothing. Then team chat piles on whoever is playing the praying mantis build to hurry up and we all know how slow that class moves. It's a no win situation. :rbrb2:

If you really want to take out those pesky survivors as a monster, Bone Pit is where it's at. The zone has passive experience boost, so if you can keep your distance from the survivor you can squish 'em in the last five minutes or so. The map has a restriction that you can only play bone classes, though, which is a bummer because I like werewolf spec personally.

Just watch out for Mortaccio, that survivor'll sneak up on you by blending in with the crowd. Got bone splatted by the dude more than once. Survivor players running Mortaccio tend to run King's Bible, though, so if you see that fire off you know they're not on your team.

Are you seriously suggesting a Bone Zone build when people are already struggling?

Look, everybody always wants to be fast, but NOBODY ever thinks about the tanks. I'm running a green zombie build from early in the Mad Forest. People are so obsessed with going fast that they forget to bulk up. Yes, the green cloak slows you down, but the health, armor, and knockback resist goes a LONG way. Yes, closing the distance is a bit hard sometimes, and the survivors will try to kite around you, but when the bat swarm noobs give you a push from behind you can sometimes catch them off guard!