Warning to everyone. Pentagram relic makes you weaker.

[HoHoHO]

A full screen clear may sound strong, but it also removes all treasure chests and bosses too. It's near impossible to pick up or attain any treasure chests because pentagram just deletes everything. And the monsters deleted don't drop anything, so you are weaker in the long run since it takes about 10 seconds before the monsters reaches you again for drops. It completely ruined my last run because every treasure I tried to get, the pentagram would just delete it from the screen. So I eventually ended up with less levels and no gold at the end.

so basically, every minute, you get:
0 exp
no treasures or gold
10 seconds of no drops as monsters slowly walk back to you.
difficult to kill bosses in time before they get erased.

It completely ruins your run. Do not get it. I eventually abandoned my run at the 16 minute mark after it deleted countless treasure chests and bosses. I ended the game with about 200gold total. What a waste of time.

[ChromePlate]

Publicado originalmente por blackrose:

Dont agree at all with this. Yes it is bad to pick in the beginning and middle of the game but an excellent weapon in the the end. Especially during the last wave before death

And you save a weapon slot just for that, all way to the end? O_o

[Draken]

I think the chance to give loot is at 80% if you fully upgrade it. It definitely makes the last 5 minutes a lot easier, especially with cooldown reduction.
Honestly, you are always going to lose xp. Either by walking away and leaving enemies behind or by leaving xp behind because you go in the other direction and don't find a vacuum orb.
So picking it up when higher hp enemies start taking more time to get rid of is certainly not the worst idea.

[Lyrick]

After the item proc and it deleted my bosses (2 at the time) erasing everything, I committed suicide and started over never to pick this item again lol. Needs reworked.

[blackrose]

Publicado originalmente por ChromePlate:

Publicado originalmente por blackrose:

Dont agree at all with this. Yes it is bad to pick in the beginning and middle of the game but an excellent weapon in the the end. Especially during the last wave before death

And you save a weapon slot just for that, all way to the end? O_o

Yes! I feel like stretching out the weapon slots makes it harder to upgrade. At least one weapon is more or less useless in the end (wont be possible to evolve unless you omit other good passives)

[PVAN]

Is it possible to pentagram the reaper guy at the end?

[Lorska]

Publicado originalmente por blackrose:

Dont agree at all with this. Yes it is bad to pick in the beginning and middle of the game but an excellent weapon in the the end. Especially during the last wave before death

It would only help you if you gain more drops from the whatever % than is not being lost on triggering than what you are just deleting.
It doesn't make you survive longer or anything, one screen clear lasts maybe 3 seconds.
I'd argue laurel would give you more money at the end because it lets you aggressively push into enemies to collect drops.
So basically you would need to max this with your last consecutive level ups while not having this before that.

Anything else is almost certainly just a loss of money.

[Draken]

Sure, but the last few levels of a run only give you 25 gold for every level. More if you got some +gold, less is you need to heal.
So it would be interesting to see how much that xp-loss would amount to compare to how much more xp you get by getting some breathing room and wiping the whole screen. At level 8 you only lose 20% of the items, so if you are forced to constantly run into one direction because tougher enemies push you it might actually mean you can pick up more.
Probably better for the forest as the enemy are tougher there.

[GrimnirLaguz]

I will do some runs today, will save my progress in the end, like gold earned, xp, etc, just to see if the exp loss is actually that bad. The worst thing is losing boss chest, everything else is just whatever imo. Also, never really thought about what it does to Death, wouldn't make much sense if it can kill them.

[blackrose]

Publicado originalmente por Lorska:

Publicado originalmente por blackrose:

Dont agree at all with this. Yes it is bad to pick in the beginning and middle of the game but an excellent weapon in the the end. Especially during the last wave before death

It would only help you if you gain more drops from the whatever % than is not being lost on triggering than what you are just deleting.
It doesn't make you survive longer or anything, one screen clear lasts maybe 3 seconds.
I'd argue laurel would give you more money at the end because it lets you aggressively push into enemies to collect drops.
So basically you would need to max this with your last consecutive level ups while not having this before that.

Anything else is almost certainly just a loss of money.

Yeah the laurel is better for venturing into the mass but the pentagram makes sure everything dies which at least I have not found possible to do with the other weapons (not enough dps to take out as many enemies as the pentagram does). Right after the pentagram goes of its safe to venture to collect all the red gems

[GrimnirLaguz]

Publicado originalmente por blackrose:

Publicado originalmente por Lorska:

It would only help you if you gain more drops from the whatever % than is not being lost on triggering than what you are just deleting.
It doesn't make you survive longer or anything, one screen clear lasts maybe 3 seconds.
I'd argue laurel would give you more money at the end because it lets you aggressively push into enemies to collect drops.
So basically you would need to max this with your last consecutive level ups while not having this before that.

Anything else is almost certainly just a loss of money.

Yeah the laurel is better for venturing into the mass but the pentagram makes sure everything dies which at least I have not found possible to do with the other weapons (not enough dps to take out as many enemies as the pentagram does). Right after the pentagram goes of its safe to venture to collect all the red gems

With all the upgrades from main menu and some specific weapon+powerup setups, you can full clear your screen quite constantly. Yesterday I was doing a run with Hellfire+evolved Bible+Heavenly Sword+Tracer+Water and I was constantly clearing full screens even around 30min mark.

But for that, you do need to get lucky to get all of the highest dps weapons + powerups, which does not happen in most runs.

[Draken]

Publicado originalmente por GrinReaper69:

I will do some runs today, will save my progress in the end, like gold earned, xp, etc, just to see if the exp loss is actually that bad. The worst thing is losing boss chest, everything else is just whatever imo. Also, never really thought about what it does to Death, wouldn't make much sense if it can kill them.

I am not sure you are losing boss chests. I did grab pentagram once and I think I remembered it popping a boss and there being a boss chest there. Though the boss could have been killed moments before pentagram went off.

Edit: Pentagram also says it works with luck, so that might also be a factor.

[HoHoHO]

Publicado originalmente por Draken:

Publicado originalmente por GrinReaper69:

I will do some runs today, will save my progress in the end, like gold earned, xp, etc, just to see if the exp loss is actually that bad. The worst thing is losing boss chest, everything else is just whatever imo. Also, never really thought about what it does to Death, wouldn't make much sense if it can kill them.

I am not sure you are losing boss chests. I did grab pentagram once and I think I remembered it popping a boss and there being a boss chest there. Though the boss could have been killed moments before pentagram went off.

Edit: Pentagram also says it works with luck, so that might also be a factor.

it kills treasure chests. I for certain know because I killed a boss and I was trying to save the treasure chest for later. The pentagram procc'd and it deleted the treasure chest from the screen.

[Big Kusa Time]

At max level it has a 60% chance of killing enemies instead of erasing them (making them drop xp and treasure chests), and according to the Collection tooltip, that percentage also scales with Luck. Run it with max luck and you'll get a free screen clear every few secs.

[TinSVM]

I don't actually mind it deleting items and bosses... IF bosses could respawn a few seconds later, or at least have the ability to outrun them and then kill them while Pentagram is cooling down. A timer that shows when Pentagram is going to activate would be nice too.

[Nyu]

its fine as it is. just take it late 25+ minutes
its kills on every take everything and every 60 secounds (minus 10 on upgrade)
and if you take it early and get to level it up early it just carries you on level 6