I like clover, i hate the upgraded cross.

[Dan_The_Noob]

game might need some function to let you decline upgrading a weapon... or the cross upgrade needs to respect the added projectiles of a character/items.

currently, getting the sword over crosses is basically suicide in most cases.
but clover is so nice, getting all the extra NFTs and big chests etc.

[Shadowdweller]

Basically, heaven sword has better dps (3rd highest after pentagram and vandolier I think). But cross has much better defensive knockback bc of the # of projectiles. So... build dependant as to what you need.

[Get Singed]

Sword is a much better weapon, it's just not a defensive weapon. It deals way way more damage in a larger aoe, and with a proper build it simply kills all enemies before they can reach you. You're just not understanding its purpose.

[James]

Publicado originalmente por Get Singed:

Cross is a much better weapon, it's just not a defensive weapon. It deals way way more damage in a larger aoe, and with a proper build it simply kills all enemies before they can reach you. You're just not understanding its purpose.

it FEELS more powerful, but in the post game stats cross always gets crushed by the upgrade.

[Get Singed]

Publicado originalmente por James:

Publicado originalmente por Get Singed:

Cross is a much better weapon, it's just not a defensive weapon. It deals way way more damage in a larger aoe, and with a proper build it simply kills all enemies before they can reach you. You're just not understanding its purpose.

it FEELS more powerful, but in the post game stats cross always gets crushed by the upgrade.

Sorry, I typoed and actually meant to say Sword, mb

[James]

out of curiosity I tried a run with max projectiles and every damage support item and cross got a measly 1.1k damage. It got soundly beaten by every other weapon I took.

[Nall]

Publicado originalmente por James:

Publicado originalmente por Dan_The_Noob™:

it's either clover or... *gulp* defensive items

naw, there are 6 items that can increase your damage in some form. Not sure how effective they all are... but anything is better than 0 damage

Clover increases DPS passively by spawning more NFT and Rosary items, leveling you faster from the Gathering Orb, giving you more choices and thus a better chance of getting the items you want at level up, and giving better chests and thus higher DPS faster through more upgrades.

But yeah doesn't do anything after you're done leveling except maybe make extra money from upgraded chests.

[NeonRed]

Not sure how anyone can think Heaven Sword is at all weak; not only does it go further out on the initial toss but it can hit anything that didn't simply get murdered again on the return.

Thing hits like a truck too since it crits; with 75% might I've seen it crit for 340 damage.

[James]

Publicado originalmente por James:

out of curiosity I tried a run with max projectiles and every damage support item and cross got a measly 1.1k damage. It got soundly beaten by every other weapon I took.

follow-up, I did a nearly identical run (swapped the gauntlet for a clover) and the heaven sword took cross from the lowest dps weapon to the highest (at 5.3k dps)

I think it is pretty difficult to argue the sword isn't a HUGE upgrade to the cross

[ima]

While sword is better than cross (but not by much since cross is already insane), you shouldn't use the DPS on end screen as a mean of comparison, those will always being insanely skewed toward your later items, since in the last minute you'll have more enemies on screen than on the first 10, making it easier to achieve a big average DPS.

[James]

Publicado originalmente por ima:

While sword is better than cross (but not by much since cross is already insane), you shouldn't use the DPS on end screen as a mean of comparison, those will always being insanely skewed toward your later items, since in the last minute you'll have more enemies on screen than on the first 10, making it easier to achieve a big average DPS.

Which is why I did two separate 30 min runs with nearly identical gear...

Edit: although I've been asssuming the dps stat was about "peak" dps and not just the literal total damage divided by time.

Showing the peak would be a lot more informative, but you bring up a good point if I am mistaken about the stat.

[Jeff]

If you are getting to 30 minutes anyway you might as well get more gold out of the run with clover. And if you take clover, might as well take cross.

I don't take them every run but it's fine imo.

Luck is a difficult stat to know how much it is actually helping. I did one run with the dude with +100 luck and got luck to 230. I still was barely ever getting bonus chest items, and I broke a string of 5 candles and got exactly five 1-piece golds and nothing else. Even with a lot of luck, you can still be unlucky.