Bird's and Lighting Ring, any usefull builds?

[wrsk]

Even Vandelier is waste. Didnt find LR usefull too. So what I miss?

[Max]

lightning ring can work well with high aoe builds (runetracer, death spiral, santa water, hellfire or heaven sword)

those weapons benefit greatly from cooldown reduction (as does lightning ring)

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2741413730

[Dreth Syg]

You can do 10 million+ damage with Vandalier, which is hardly a waste.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2741422530&fileuploadsuccess=1

[Ghin]

You missed leveling them up?

[Nick]

did you not see the part where vandaelier does like 10m+ damage

[Vambran]

Escrito originalmente por Nick:

did you not see the part where vandaelier does like 10m+ damage

how much of that damage is from the last 2 mins though when you are surrounded? Everytime i try to go the bird build it feels like im just handicaping my self for most of the run.

[wrsk]

I did Vandalier once but just have it only h lvl, and almost no others skills. So I see it can be worth lategame but when have another strong skills already... Ok runing game for LR build

[Dreth Syg]

You don't rush Vandalier, you build it after you have a couple of good evolved items like Death Spiral, Unholy Vespers, or Heaven Sword. I start building toward Vandalier in earnest around the 12-13 minute mark probably, but then it usually finishes within a few minutes, since waves of enemies bombard you at that point and you get lots of XP in a short amount of time. It does its best damage during the last few minutes of a game, but so does every other weapon. Right now it's more of a "win more" item, but when the developers come out with harder content, it will probably be worth the effort to get.

[Ketec]

LR works up to midgame - then it stops clearing enemies near you to keep you alive.
Lovebirds for endgame - not enough to sustain you early-mid.
Both need some extra close range clear ability so you don't get trapped/overrun.

[ZeppMan217]

Peach and Ebony are awful on their own, and Vandalier's damage is overinflated due to the end game surround.

LR desperately needs an evolution to remain useful as time goes on.

[Max]

Escrito originalmente por ZeppMan217:

Peach and Ebony are awful on their own, and Vandalier's damage is overinflated due to the end game surround.

LR desperately needs an evolution to remain useful as time goes on.

its still useful, if its doing 100 damage to half of the enemies on screen thats 100 damage less your other weapons have to do to kill those enemies

that being said i would also like to see it given an evolution

[kagypoo]

Lightning is really great on characters like Porta if you also grab the candelabra, the massive area boost will have it clearing whole waves for a good portion of the game.

[Deacon]

Escrito originalmente por kagypoo:

Lightning is really great on characters like Porta if you also grab the candelabra, the massive area boost will have it clearing whole waves for a good portion of the game.

THIS!
I really hope for a good evolution for it.

[Vambran]

Try lightning on "Missing No." (Death) when he rolls a cooldown reduction of -200% or something silly. Everything fries before you can see it.

[Zeel Ara]

It feels like I'm playing a different game than these people. I had to remove all metaprogression because you can win with literally any combination, no matter how terrible, as soon as you have a point in projectiles and a couple on damage. How do you even manage to lose with vandalier? That's a free win even without meta-progression.

[wrsk]

Escrito originalmente por Ratley:

It feels like I'm playing a different game than these people. I had to remove all metaprogression because you can win with literally any combination, no matter how terrible, as soon as you have a point in projectiles and a couple on damage. How do you even manage to lose with vandalier? That's a free win even without meta-progression.

Did U even read what I wrote under main topic?
Just discovered Vandalier can be up'ed ;)
But still find Hell fire, Heaven sword, Bone, Tracer, Death Spiral much more usefull than Parrot... Overall.