After Image Strike...........

[Marcpg]

♥♥♥♥ begs to be nerfed lmao literally untouchable

[Dregora]

Nah

[VayneCalibur]

Super counter (Up + square) literally makes the game unplayable. There are no combos because of this mechanic. You can get out of every hitstun or blockstun, it has to be fixed before everything else.

[Dregora]

Originally posted by VayneCalibur:

Super counter (Up + square) literally makes the game unplayable. There are no combos because of this mechanic. You can get out of every hitstun or blockstun, it has to be fixed before everything else.

It doesn't make it unplayable. The game would allow for one hit death combos without it. You find that fun?

[Shadowlet]

Originally posted by VayneCalibur:

Super counter (Up + square) literally makes the game unplayable. There are no combos because of this mechanic. You can get out of every hitstun or blockstun, it has to be fixed before everything else.

Delay/mixup your hits broski. Throw in a ki blast

[Zordiark Darkeater]

Originally posted by VayneCalibur:

Super counter (Up + square) literally makes the game unplayable. There are no combos because of this mechanic. You can get out of every hitstun or blockstun, it has to be fixed before everything else.

when it works... when it does not then you just sitting there while your back is pummeled for eternity....

[Marcpg]

Originally posted by VayneCalibur:

Super counter (Up + square) literally makes the game unplayable. There are no combos because of this mechanic. You can get out of every hitstun or blockstun, it has to be fixed before everything else.

nah thats cap. The time window is very sharp, it actually has some skill and its counterable. Only thing i found really broken is after image strike cause they are literally untouchable with it lmao, i really think this is day -1 meta

[VayneCalibur]

Originally posted by Dregora:

Originally posted by VayneCalibur:

Super counter (Up + square) literally makes the game unplayable. There are no combos because of this mechanic. You can get out of every hitstun or blockstun, it has to be fixed before everything else.

It doesn't make it unplayable. The game would allow for one hit death combos without it. You find that fun?

Have you ever tried Xenoverse 2? The game has no infinite combo because it's a about stamina management. Super counter literally has no risk nor requieres any resource.

[VayneCalibur]

Originally posted by Marcpg:

Originally posted by VayneCalibur:

Super counter (Up + square) literally makes the game unplayable. There are no combos because of this mechanic. You can get out of every hitstun or blockstun, it has to be fixed before everything else.

nah thats cap. The time window is very sharp, it actually has some skill and its counterable. Only thing i found really broken is after image strike cause they are literally untouchable with it lmao, i really think this is day -1 meta

It is quite easy actually. Especially against those who hit many times per second like Jiren. You can literally mash it. Characters like Broly are the only ones which will requiere some timing and again, it's easy.

[Marcpg]

Originally posted by Dregora:

Nah

Not rage posting just objectivly I think its the most broken ♥♥♥♥ ive seen so far in the game, it just lets you auto-dodge everything for so long, i think there should be some counterplay to it

[Marcpg]

Originally posted by VayneCalibur:

Originally posted by Marcpg:

nah thats cap. The time window is very sharp, it actually has some skill and its counterable. Only thing i found really broken is after image strike cause they are literally untouchable with it lmao, i really think this is day -1 meta

It is quite easy actually. Especially against those who hit many times per second like Jiren. You can literally mash it. Characters like Broly are the only ones which will requiere some timing and again, it's easy.

even if its easy on some, the game has literally a thousand defensive mechanics. Combos are suposed to be broken off. And even then you still have counterplay to it.

[Dregora]

Originally posted by VayneCalibur:

Originally posted by Dregora:

It doesn't make it unplayable. The game would allow for one hit death combos without it. You find that fun?

Have you ever tried Xenoverse 2? The game has no infinite combo because it's a about stamina management. Super counter literally has no risk nor requieres any resource.

I've played XV2 yes. Pretty sure XV2 doesn't have infinites regardless of stamina.


My point is this game is so much more combo intensive than XV2. If there's no way out of a combo in your back, it's over. And this isn't XV2, it's following Tenkaichi 3. Obviously they're not gonna entirely change the game.

[VayneCalibur]

Originally posted by Marcpg:

Originally posted by VayneCalibur:

It is quite easy actually. Especially against those who hit many times per second like Jiren. You can literally mash it. Characters like Broly are the only ones which will requiere some timing and again, it's easy.

even if its easy on some, the game has literally a thousand defensive mechanics. Combos are suposed to be broken off. And even then you still have counterplay to it.

I'm not saying the rest of the mechanics are fine. I actually think almost every single mechanic is broken. I know some people are not experienced in Fighting games and will probably not see it clear as some of us do, but almost every mechanic has no risk or requieres barely any KI leaving next to no room for counterplay or outplay.

Parry and everything parrylike has no risk unless after image comes in play since you can't parry from behind, but then again, you can get out of any "punish" since you can Super Counter. The whole game is not well thought and it would be 1000 times better to just make it like Xenoverse 2 without Iframe grabs.

[VayneCalibur]

Originally posted by Dregora:

Originally posted by VayneCalibur:

Have you ever tried Xenoverse 2? The game has no infinite combo because it's a about stamina management. Super counter literally has no risk nor requieres any resource.

I've played XV2 yes. Pretty sure XV2 doesn't have infinites regardless of stamina.


My point is this game is so much more combo intensive than XV2. If there's no way out of a combo in your back, it's over. And this isn't XV2, it's following Tenkaichi 3. Obviously they're not gonna entirely change the game.

There is a way out of a combo in your back. Super counter, Counter Z (L1, L1 if not mistaken), Skills that will allow you to break free..

That being said, I agree, Sparking Zero has a big issue without Super counter. With it, there are no true combos and without, combos are just too opresive since there's just a couple of things to get out of them and requiere Skill points (You start with 0).

The whole game has to be fixed and work around resources like Stamina/Ki, just as Xenoverse.

BTW, you might have forgotten it but in XV2, if you outplay your opponent (skill based gameplay), you'll make him/her run out of stamina thus leading to guard break/garanteed combos which literally can kill from 100 to 0, so it's not like oppresive combos didn't happen, they just requiered skill and you were awarded for it..

[Shadowlet]

Originally posted by VayneCalibur:

Originally posted by Marcpg:

even if its easy on some, the game has literally a thousand defensive mechanics. Combos are suposed to be broken off. And even then you still have counterplay to it.

I'm not saying the rest of the mechanics are fine. I actually think almost every single mechanic is broken. I know some people are not experienced in Fighting games and will probably not see it clear as some of us do, but almost every mechanic has no risk or requieres barely any KI leaving next to no room for counterplay or outplay.

Parry and everything parrylike has no risk unless after image comes in play since you can't parry from behind, but then again, you can get out of any "punish" since you can Super Counter. The whole game is not well thought and it would be 1000 times better to just make it like Xenoverse 2 without Iframe grabs.

Think of this game like Arena Fighter Killer Instinct

[D.T.]

Originally posted by VayneCalibur:

Originally posted by Marcpg:

even if its easy on some, the game has literally a thousand defensive mechanics. Combos are suposed to be broken off. And even then you still have counterplay to it.

I'm not saying the rest of the mechanics are fine. I actually think almost every single mechanic is broken. I know some people are not experienced in Fighting games and will probably not see it clear as some of us do, but almost every mechanic has no risk or requieres barely any KI leaving next to no room for counterplay or outplay.

Parry and everything parrylike has no risk unless after image comes in play since you can't parry from behind, but then again, you can get out of any "punish" since you can Super Counter. The whole game is not well thought and it would be 1000 times better to just make it like Xenoverse 2 without Iframe grabs.

Sounds like you just want another Xenoverse. Tenkaichi has largely kept it's gameplay loop and mechanics through each title with small additions to each one. Completely changing either of those would kill all of the spirit the game carries with it's playerbase.

It's supposed to be hard. Keep practicing, you'll get better.