Real talk Reina 🤔

[SaberKai]

Honestly she's was very good abit bursted but after nerf and since the game been out for a pretty good while I'm starting to she's not good and not awful but bad.

Here my opinion
Jab punish is awful compared to Jin
No combo potential depending on condition
No orbit carry (wish B2 had the same effect like nina)
No homing at all and this is pretty ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ buullshiit Standing 3 ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ awful Back 2 very slow with poor -10 recovery but yet king and azucena get away with murder right right
All normal doesn't track properly like it should but 80% of the cast get special asss treatment
No low pressure beside
Side step 4 ( very slow slight dmg and no follow up also -15 on block that really retarded
EWS 4,4 or 4,2 (less Dmg -25 on block very trash why not -15)
EWGS F,D,F+D 4,4 or 4,2 ( has slight more dmg)
B,D-4,1+2 (trash but counter hit decent with no reach)
B,D 2,2 soso alright but easy to react too
Her recovery frames at best is mediocre and honestly Jin kazuya overall has better then her.
Rage art do very poor dmg compare to the other rosters and it shows at 5 to 12% health remains
Heat engage n heat finish is awful start up
Poor follow up
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Good offense moves
1,1
1,1,2
1,2,3
2,2,1
F,D1 into sentai
F 2,3 in sentai
B 2 homing purpose only

Special offense
1+2 good dmg good frame poor reach
3+4 1st hit very good but awful start up
F,D 3+4 trash but counter hit is where it matters

Heavenly wrath
Pro
Parrys in heat
Pretty decent moves but non has homing at all except 1 into sentai or 1,4
Can WGS on any hit
Con No tracking
poor starter n recovery frames on almost all moves to make up for dmg

Sentai
Very self example
Wing god step
Very self example

Unsoku kou U,D trash
Fade n shift shadow trash
Very pointless seriously fccking useless

Overall I can go on and i do like learning from joka. But I can evening see I'm not the only one see how awful and hard to start anything off and when u do get something is pretty fair but in reality not really. She needs a rework if anything

[SEATEK The_LEFTY]

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Go to the resources thread for new players and start there. You will learn more there than posting rants and explaining what you think you understand about the character.

Many posters here make the mistake of posting more than they read. They also often post reactions and knee-jerk opinions instead of truly understanding discussion topics.

Try to read and digest from multiple sources- then discuss.

[Vahel]

I've been playing the character since release and I'm pretty certain some of the inputs you gave have the wrong notation, or maybe I just didn't understand and that's on me. Now let's get to the point...

Reina is pretty darn good. Not top tier, not average or bad... But she's a truly solid character.
Many Tekken players or Mishima mains are unfortunately dismissing how difficult she truly is because, well... Her design when it comes to her gameplay can be annoying to fight against, and everyone knows that the Tekken community is almost second to none when it comes to being dismissive and delusional.

Her kit is unnecessarily tricky albeit quite complete, her low game sucks big time, she's way too linear for no reason and her mixups are almost always in the favor of the opponent if he guesses correctly (quite heavily at that).

You're comparing her to Jin and Kazuya even though there's no competition here. Jin is piss easy to play in T8 and way stronger than he should be, and Kazuya - no matter how "difficult" he is - is still a solid top 5 contender in the eyes of people who knows what they're talking about.
Reina doesn't have top tier character potential because her weaknesses are obvious and easily exploitable, but it doesn't mean that she's bad.

Combo damage is insane. Oki in general is solid, especially at the wall. There's a thousand setups to do with her. Most of her poking tools are made to offer you a sidestep on-block, let's not forget that she has the fourth strongest sidestep in the game alongside Azucena.
Backdash is very strong. Ewgf since she's a Mishima. Godly whiff punishment. And so on...

Dunno if you're also playing the other Mishimas, but you might be struggling with Reina because compared to the others, you NEED to be creative with her if you want to feel comfortable.
Of course, you can play with ff+2 all day long and pray that your opponent doesn't guess correctly or jab/crouch jab check your ass, but it won't work for long.
A linear gameplan is not as strong with her compared to most of the cast, at least it's not if you're not already quite solid at Tekken in general (in which case you'll obtain results no matter the character you're playing with anyway).

This message is way too long so I'll stop here. There's a few things that you said that are completely wrong (ex: SS.4 is not -15 but -13, and it's +0 on-hit which lets you sidestep or jab/crouch jab check).
Keep experimenting with her. She's definitely not as straightforward as the other Mishimas - and I've played all of them to some extent except for DJ - but she's fun ? At least for me.
Definitely not worth the effort if you want stress free wins though, but next to Victor and Azucena, having a truly difficult newcomer is nice and shouldn't be reworked.

[SaberKai]

Originally posted by Vahel:

I've been playing the character since release and I'm pretty certain some of the inputs you gave have the wrong notation, or maybe I just didn't understand and that's on me. Now let's get to the point...

Reina is pretty darn good. Not top tier, not average or bad... But she's a truly solid character.
Many Tekken players or Mishima mains are unfortunately dismissing how difficult she truly is because, well... Her design when it comes to her gameplay can be annoying to fight against, and everyone knows that the Tekken community is almost second to none when it comes to being dismissive and delusional.

Her kit is unnecessarily tricky albeit quite complete, her low game sucks big time, she's way too linear for no reason and her mixups are almost always in the favor of the opponent if he guesses correctly (quite heavily at that).

You're comparing her to Jin and Kazuya even though there's no competition here. Jin is piss easy to play in T8 and way stronger than he should be, and Kazuya - no matter how "difficult" he is - is still a solid top 5 contender in the eyes of people who knows what they're talking about.
Reina doesn't have top tier character potential because her weaknesses are obvious and easily exploitable, but it doesn't mean that she's bad.

Combo damage is insane. Oki in general is solid, especially at the wall. There's a thousand setups to do with her. Most of her poking tools are made to offer you a sidestep on-block, let's not forget that she has the fourth strongest sidestep in the game alongside Azucena.
Backdash is very strong. Ewgf since she's a Mishima. Godly whiff punishment. And so on...

Dunno if you're also playing the other Mishimas, but you might be struggling with Reina because compared to the others, you NEED to be creative with her if you want to feel comfortable.
Of course, you can play with ff+2 all day long and pray that your opponent doesn't guess correctly or jab/crouch jab check your ass, but it won't work for long.
A linear gameplan is not as strong with her compared to most of the cast, at least it's not if you're not already quite solid at Tekken in general (in which case you'll obtain results no matter the character you're playing with anyway).

This message is way too long so I'll stop here. There's a few things that you said that are completely wrong (ex: SS.4 is not -15 but -13, and it's +0 on-hit which lets you sidestep or jab/crouch jab check).
Keep experimenting with her. She's definitely not as straightforward as the other Mishimas - and I've played all of them to some extent except for DJ - but she's fun ? At least for me.
Definitely not worth the effort if you want stress free wins though, but next to Victor and Azucena, having a truly difficult newcomer is nice and shouldn't be reworked.

The frames i got from in game look and check yourself

[Shadowlet]

You're kinda late buddy

No homing at all and this is pretty ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥

You literally don't know what homing is.

[Make otgf -9 pls]

If you know how to use her optimally she is solid af

[Ring Master Jesus]

You are just bad. I hate playing against Reina. Her oppressive moves are low risk and high priority. It's very hard to attack her without risking getting hit first.

[Vahel]

Originally posted by SaberKai:

The frames i got from in game look and check yourself

You might want to learn how to count then.
b+2 is -9, not -10.
SS.4 is -13, not -15.
Even her hellsweeps are -22 and -23 respectively, not -25.

Not a single number that you gave is true and you don't seem to understand the first thing about using her kit. Learn the game before complaining about its balancing.

[3.14DRILLA_NAKINGE]

Reina is best mishima out of 4. She got every tool you can imagine and its all good, even lows are insanely good

[Vahel]

Originally posted by Pav:

Reina is best mishima out of 4. She got every tool you can imagine and its all good, even lows are insanely good

She's not. Best is Kazuya (even though he's the hardest), then you have Jin, Heihachi, Reina and finally DJ (which I consider to be lacking compared to the others).
And no... Her lows are not insanely good man, I wish they were. :')

[3.14DRILLA_NAKINGE]

Originally posted by Vahel:

Originally posted by Pav:

Reina is best mishima out of 4. She got every tool you can imagine and its all good, even lows are insanely good

She's not. Best is Kazuya (even though he's the hardest), then you have Jin, Heihachi, Reina and finally DJ (which I consider to be lacking compared to the others).
And no... Her lows are not insanely good man, I wish they were. :')

Lets not include jin. he isnt a traditional mishima. Im open to kazuya being top mishima bc of his db4 pressure, but his jab sucks

[Make otgf -9 pls]

Originally posted by Vahel:

Originally posted by Pav:

Reina is best mishima out of 4. She got every tool you can imagine and its all good, even lows are insanely good

She's not. Best is Kazuya (even though he's the hardest), then you have Jin, Heihachi, Reina and finally DJ (which I consider to be lacking compared to the others).
And no... Her lows are not insanely good man, I wish they were. :')

Hold up kaz higher than jin is quite a hot take (+ the difficulty and consistency gap between those 2 just forces him to be weaker)

[Vahel]

Originally posted by Make otgf -9 pls:

Hold up kaz higher than jin is quite a hot take (+ the difficulty and consistency gap between those 2 just forces him to be weaker)

Yeah I meant on paper which I should've precised, on me.
Jin is obviously way easier to be consistent with, so any pro would put him above Kazuya because they're thinking about tournament play.

Difficulty doesn't make a character weaker for me, it just makes it harder for players to exploit their full potential.
Just like I had no problem saying that Jin was arguably the strongest character in T7 thanks to his potential, I'd say that Kazuya is the strongest Mishima in T8 thanks to what his kit and heat mode are.

Edit: I'm excluding the completely unreasonable stuff like i13 electric punish though.

[Make otgf -9 pls]

Originally posted by Vahel:

Originally posted by Make otgf -9 pls:

Hold up kaz higher than jin is quite a hot take (+ the difficulty and consistency gap between those 2 just forces him to be weaker)

Yeah I meant on paper which I should've precised, on me.
Jin is obviously way easier to be consistent with, so any pro would put him above Kazuya because they're thinking about tournament play.

Difficulty doesn't make a character weaker for me, it just makes it harder for players to exploit their full potential.
Just like I had no problem saying that Jin was arguably the strongest character in T7 thanks to his potential, I'd say that Kazuya is the strongest Mishima in T8 thanks to what his kit and heat mode are.

Edit: I'm excluding the completely unreasonable stuff like i13 electric punish though.

Ok in that case i can agree

[Noir]

Originally posted by 3.14DRILLA_NAKINGE:

Reina is best mishima out of 4. She got every tool you can imagine and its all good, even lows are insanely good

no one in the history or tekken thinks reinas lows are insanely good.... she doesn't even have a single launching or CH low

[Yosogoto]

Originally posted by Noir:

Originally posted by 3.14DRILLA_NAKINGE:

Reina is best mishima out of 4. She got every tool you can imagine and its all good, even lows are insanely good

no one in the history or tekken thinks reinas lows are insanely good.... she doesn't even have a single launching or CH low

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elk3ZAPZVSc&ab_channel=PhiDXUnhinged