the CPU heats up

[Dochainsaw]

config i9 32gb 4090rtx

this is the first game that makes my pc heat up.

The cpu explodes at +80° and the GPU nothing

[GODzilla]

After seing the OPs setup I do agree that the game should not heat up the CPU to 80°C, unless maybe it's a Core i9 13900K. But then again OP should've seen these temperatures in other demanding games, too.

So yes, that's not right. I get 80°C with an air cooler and over 25°C in the room, but for an AiO with a 360 radiator that's probably a bit too high.

One thing to consider though that makes this game stand out in comparison to some other games: It is artifically cpu limited, meaning that two or three cores are uder load and this could spike the heat because it is not as spread out as when all cores are being worked.

Question here is, which other games did OP try? If those were only games that make good use of modern multi core cpus, then the temperature was probably more spread out unter the heatspreader, thus lower.

In essence: Jedi Survivor could have simply revelead a general problem with the cooling. Maybe reseat the cooler and check the thermal paste application. Check for air bubbles in the cycle etc.

[stevefarrell94]

Originally posted by Dochainsaw:

Originally posted by stevefarrell94:

Yes but you have to take into account I'm playing with epic settings at 21:9 2560 x 1080. The lower the resolution the more a CPU gets utilised and you are or should be aware of so my CPU should be overheating not my GPU

I don't agree with you there are games that more or less exploit CPU and GPU but nothing to do with resolution.
I will not go further on this debate. The objective of my post was simply to alert the devs to this observation that several players are making and to tell them that their game pumps abnormally on the CPU.

You can disagree all you want but its been a known fact with years that the lower your resolution the more your cpu gets utilised and it doesn't matter what the game is. If you disagree than I highly doubt you've been working with computers for 25 years

[Verios44]

You said your running a 12900F on a CLC. Thats a good choice for that no doubt. I do know 12th gen Intel isnt exactly the best for thermal performance and if memory is right 80C is one of the single thread boost target thresholds.

You never stated what GPU you have but guessing a powerful one. Could not really see in your screenshot. So yes in ultra-wide 1440p and a game like this it will be more on the CPU than GPU by nature.

[stevefarrell94]

Originally posted by Dochainsaw:

I don't agree with you there are games that more or less exploit CPU and GPU but nothing to do with resolution.
I will not go further on this debate. The objective of my post was simply to alert the devs to this observation that several players are making and to tell them that their game pumps abnormally on the CPU.

So I just tested your theory and I connected my 4K TV to my computer and tested the game for an hour. My CPU didn't go above 51C with just a puny 120MM All In One Watercooler running at 4.85GHZ all cores

https://ibb.co/XSszcwm

https://ibb.co/9gmZPR0

Thats 4C Cooler than it was when I was playing 2560 x 1080 21:9 with epic settings

[stevefarrell94]

Originally posted by Verios44:

You said your running a 12900F on a CLC. Thats a good choice for that no doubt. I do know 12th gen Intel isnt exactly the best for thermal performance and if memory is right 80C is one of the single thread boost target thresholds.

You never stated what GPU you have but guessing a powerful one. Could not really see in your screenshot. So yes in ultra-wide 1440p and a game like this it will be more on the CPU than GPU by nature.

Yet its harder on my GPU than my cpu at 4K. At 2560 x 1080 it is slightly harder on my CPU by a small margain.

[stevefarrell94]

Out of curiosity I downloaded MSI Afterburner from their official website and ran the OSD to see whats going on. At times my GPU was @ 100% and CPU at 25% but my GPU is definately being used more than my CPU at all times.

https://ibb.co/swRq0M4

So I have no idea why most people are saying this game is mostly CPU Bound. Maybe it is for some people but not everybody

[GODzilla]

Originally posted by stevefarrell94:

Out of curiosity I downloaded MSI Afterburner from their official website and ran the OSD to see whats going on. At times my GPU was @ 100% and CPU at 25% but my GPU is definately being used more than my CPU at all times.

https://ibb.co/swRq0M4

So I have no idea why most people are saying this game is mostly CPU Bound. Maybe it is for some people but not everybody

This 25% tells the story. It should be more, but the game uses two or three cores and that's it. It is CPU bound because it doesn't use the cpu to its potential. It's artificially cpu bound because they did a bad job with the port.

[stevefarrell94]

Originally posted by GODzilla:

Originally posted by stevefarrell94:

Out of curiosity I downloaded MSI Afterburner from their official website and ran the OSD to see whats going on. At times my GPU was @ 100% and CPU at 25% but my GPU is definately being used more than my CPU at all times.

https://ibb.co/swRq0M4

So I have no idea why most people are saying this game is mostly CPU Bound. Maybe it is for some people but not everybody

This 25% tells the story. It should be more, but the game uses two or three cores and that's it. It is CPU bound because it doesn't use the cpu to its potential. It's artificially cpu bound because they did a bad job with the port.

You need to look at my screenshot in the quoted post. The game is using all of my cores. Theres all sorts of theories and most of them are saying "buh buh game use moar GPU than CPU". On my computer my GPU is being used a lot more than the cpu. When people don't show proof then the attacks happen because you all claim its a lie.

[CJM]

Originally posted by stevefarrell94:

You need to look at my screenshot in the quoted post. The game is using all of my cores. Theres all sorts of theories and most of them are saying "buh buh game use moar GPU than CPU". On my computer my GPU is being used a lot more than the cpu. When people don't show proof then the attacks happen because you all claim its a lie.

Quick trick to see if a game is CPU bound, set your graphics preset to LOW and see if it improves performance.

I set mine to Low on a RX 6600, paired with a Ryzen 7 8-Core CPU, and I got 20 FPS...

It is quite possible that the two main threads are being chopped into chunks, which are being sent round robin across all cores. However, due to having to wait on each chunk in order they never exceed the potential of two to three cores altogether.

Digital Foundry also reported that the Ray Tracing engine is properly threaded, and has a mild hit across all cores. Interestingly, some have seen improved performance by enabling Ray Tracing, which might possibly indicate that it takes some load off of the overloaded rendering thread?

[GODzilla]

Originally posted by stevefarrell94:

Originally posted by GODzilla:

This 25% tells the story. It should be more, but the game uses two or three cores and that's it. It is CPU bound because it doesn't use the cpu to its potential. It's artificially cpu bound because they did a bad job with the port.

You need to look at my screenshot in the quoted post. The game is using all of my cores. Theres all sorts of theories and most of them are saying "buh buh game use moar GPU than CPU". On my computer my GPU is being used a lot more than the cpu. When people don't show proof then the attacks happen because you all claim its a lie.

So did you expect that "not using a core" means it is sitting at 0%? Because that is never the case. It just underuses it, which you can tell by the percentage which is far away from 100.

But since I need to clarify things obviously: It will never go to 100% all the time neither. ;)

A game that has a good core usage is for instance Dead Space (Remake). It sits at around 60+% for any and all of my 16 cores most of the time. So that's a clear difference.

[stevefarrell94]

Originally posted by GODzilla:

So did you expect that "not using a core" means it is sitting at 0%? Because that is never the case. It just underuses it, which you can tell by the percentage which is far away from 100.

But since I need to clarify things obviously: It will never go to 100% all the time neither. ;)

A game that has a good core usage is for instance Dead Space (Remake). It sits at around 60+% for any and all of my 16 cores most of the time. So that's a clear difference.

I was watching the CPU cores while the game was running. All cores were bouncing between 20 - 60% not just the one core as so many claim is happening. I am not new to how computer hardware works. I never expect a cpu core to go to 0% because there will always be a windows process in the background using a cpu core. I never asked you to clarify anything.

I just posted proof that the claim that the game is under utilising everybodies GPU to be wrong. I am just saying that the problem isn't happening for everybody despite the few that feel like they need to chime in and claim the game is bad for everybody.

[GODzilla]

Ironically I'm not among these people. Been playing for over 35 hours and it runs good enough. When I play it on my TV it goes with almost locked 60fps (due to V-Sync, necessary for my HDMI 2.0 tv) at 4K, FSR2 balanced and mostly high settings, no RT. Or when I play it on the computer screen I go for a 90fps lock with G-Sync at 1440p, FSR2 quality and same settings, no RT.

So while the game has its issues I'm still having fun playing it, with good but not high-end hardware, a Ryzen 7 7700 (non-x variant) and RTX 3090.

What I do have is the occasional traversal stutter. Most of the time it goes down into the higher 50s (on TV with the 60fps V-Sync), sometimes a more severe stutter with 30-ish fps for a second. Nothing game-breaking imho.