How are people still buying this?

[PawgaliciouS QueeN]

The phrase: "vote with your wallet" is lost on the masses it seems. Yay, to another year of garbage broken ports, cheers.

[PawgaliciouS QueeN]

Diposting pertama kali oleh sd:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Darkie:

No.

I said it sold more on consoles.
H:L sold very well on PC, unlike this game <-- you are confusing this game with H:L.

There are several billion people playing games on their mobile and over a billion with consoles.
Just to make the reference to the 30 millionish PC gamers with atleast a build around a 1060.

That is not high end btw. Its avarage pc gamers, high end is max 2-3 generations old GPU´s with atleast 70ti (I would say x80, but tiers have changed a bit)

When I pointed out that Survivors peak player count was 67k I figured you might do some google searches on peak player counts for popular single player games on Steam but you went on about concurrent users vs number of users throughout the day and acted like 67k was a good number since pc gaming is niche. You claimed Hogwarts and Survivor weren't as popular on pc as Elden Ring when in reaility Hogwarts is the 2nd fastest selling single player pc game in Steams history.

Your words: "High end PC users are a minority compared to most other platforms." So I mention how many pc gamers have matching specs or better specs then the current gen consoles and then you move the goalposts again saying a 3060 isn't high end. If a 3060 isn't high end then the PS 5 and Series aren't high end. The Series S is more comparable to a 2060.

The combining and separating when convenient method again and you took it a step further this time by adding up every console ever sold vs people who bought a high end pc in the last 2 years. Probably about 70 million current gen consoles have been sold between PS 5 and Series. Series S probbaly makes up the bulk of Series sales.

Over a billion on consoles? You keep making statements with no sources. PSN has 112 million monthly active users and that includes PS 3, 4 and 5 combined.

I wasn't even including the 1060 when i came up with the 36 million. Add in 1060, 1660 etc and it's over 40 million. i guess those should be added since Series S is a current gen console.

Just to interject, a series s is way below a 2060.

[PawgaliciouS QueeN]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Darkie:

Diposting pertama kali oleh sd:

When I pointed out that Survivors peak player count was 67k I figured you might do some google searches on peak player counts for popular single player games on Steam but you went on about concurrent users vs number of users throughout the day and acted like 67k was a good number since pc gaming is niche. You claimed Hogwarts and Survivor weren't as popular on pc as Elden Ring when in reaility Hogwarts is the 2nd fastest selling single player pc game in Steams history.

Your words: "High end PC users are a minority compared to most other platforms." So I mention how many pc gamers have matching specs or better specs then the current gen consoles and then you move the goalposts again saying a 3060 isn't high end. If a 3060 isn't high end then the PS 5 and Series aren't high end. The Series S is more comparable to a 2060.

The combining and separating when convenient method again and you took it a step further this time by adding up every console ever sold vs people who bought a high end pc in the last 2 years. Probably about 70 million current gen consoles have been sold between PS 5 and Series. Series S probbaly makes up the bulk of Series sales.

Over a billion on consoles? You keep making statements with no sources. PSN has 112 million monthly active users and that includes PS 3, 4 and 5 combined.

I wasn't even including the 1060 when i came up with the 36 million. Add in 1060, 1660 etc and it's over 40 million. i guess those should be added since Series S is a current gen console.

The peaks you see on steam is concurrent !!!
That means that at the most, the game had 67k concurrent players, it does not mean it only had 67k unique players.

It is not my fault you don´t understand this

He's comparing it to more popular games that came out recently, which had over 10 times more concurrent players at peak, ergo this sold over 10 times less. Understand now?

[PawgaliciouS QueeN]

Diposting pertama kali oleh iDTecKt:

Diposting pertama kali oleh patrick68794:

runs fine for me. I'll continue to buy the games I want at launch.

Imagine buying a brand new car with a broken gear box and smiling down the highway PMSFL🤡🤣🐔🤦‍♂️

Ford customers do that daily, LOL.

[PawgaliciouS QueeN]

Diposting pertama kali oleh DarthGrimlock228:

Its a good game with a great story with lots to do, it needed 3 weeks more in the oven to bake before release but its hella better now then at the start!!

Still broken for a lot of people, more like 3+ months in the oven I'd say.

[PawgaliciouS QueeN]

Diposting pertama kali oleh XGSDonkyBoY:

Made on a PC

Well duh.

[[XGS]DonkyBoY]

I am finding it hard to find current sales data on this title.

it doesnt look like it is doing that great on Steam. and they have long passed shier peek users. (Yes this is only Steam Not Origin but more people on Steam so...)

Quick stats as of today
20,097
active players (38 min ago)
23,507
active players (24h peak)
58.7%
positive reviews
$41.5m
gross revenue
742k
units sold

source=
https://vginsights.com/game/1774580

and information like this is a week or longer old and doesnt shows earnings for Jedi Survivor
https://www.windowscentral.com/gaming/ea-fy23-q4-earnings-star-wars-jedi-survivor-pacing-very-strongly-against-expectations
I would call this more of a marketing ploy to encourage more sales especially considering Windows central makes money form the sale of games and mentions nothing of any issues at all.

[PawgaliciouS QueeN]

Diposting pertama kali oleh XGSDonkyBoY:

I am finding it hard to find current sales data on this title.

it doesnt look like it is doing that great on Steam. and they have long passed shier peek users. (Yes this is only Steam Not Origin but more people on Steam so...)

Quick stats as of today
20,097
active players (38 min ago)
23,507
active players (24h peak)
58.7%
positive reviews
$41.5m
gross revenue
742k
units sold

source=
https://vginsights.com/game/1774580

and information like this is a week or longer old and doesnt shows earnings for Jedi Survivor
https://www.windowscentral.com/gaming/ea-fy23-q4-earnings-star-wars-jedi-survivor-pacing-very-strongly-against-expectations
I would call this more of a marketing ploy to encourage more sales especially considering Windows central makes money form the sale of games and mentions nothing of any issues at all.

The issues and bad reviews have no doubt affected sales.

[[XGS]DonkyBoY]

Their share price has doped... thou I cant say why or what the rest of the market is doing
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2976033193

source = https://www.google.com/search?q=electronic+art+share+price

[PawgaliciouS QueeN]

Diposting pertama kali oleh XGSDonkyBoY:

Their share price has doped... thou I cant say why or what the rest of the market is doing
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2976033193

source = https://www.google.com/search?q=electronic+art+share+price

Sadly those things never hurt companies of their size.

[AdahnGorion]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Metal Sophitia:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Darkie:

Those two platforms are bigger (combined) I even think PS is bigger alone as well.
No matter what type of PC we include and whatever OS it have, they can´t match the sales numbers of the consoles.

Again. the game was developed for console and that was their primary target audience, so nothing werd in that.

What is your point after all of these rants anyway? Most AAA games are made for console first, so what?

That is not entirely true.
There are plenty of AAA games that are developed with PC in mind or even exclussive.
The thing is, that most mainstream are either console or crossplatform, note mainstream. Not all AAA titles are mainstream.

[CJM]

A console game is designed to get the most headline grabbing graphics out of a set piece of hardware.

A PC game is designed to get 60 FPS on sufficiently low tier piece of hardware to ensure 60 FPS across a wide swath for the largest possible sales. Valve's Source engine games being the most extreme version of this. Gamers like graphics, so PC games come with a wide range of graphics options to meet the diversity of hardware.

Opposite the PC Game standard is the benchmark standard. Can it Run Crysis, and Shattered Horizon by Futuremark Game Studios are two such benchmark standards, The Last of Us Part 1 might also be included in such a list,...

[tfa]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Darkie:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Metal Sophitia:

What is your point after all of these rants anyway? Most AAA games are made for console first, so what?

That is not entirely true.
There are plenty of AAA games that are developed with PC in mind or even exclussive.
The thing is, that most mainstream are either console or crossplatform, note mainstream. Not all AAA titles are mainstream.

Developed with pc in mind and exclusive are two very different things. Name some AAA non mainstream titles. AAA means big budget, how are they going to make a profit if it's not mainstream?

[AdahnGorion]

Diposting pertama kali oleh sd:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Darkie:

That is not entirely true.
There are plenty of AAA games that are developed with PC in mind or even exclussive.
The thing is, that most mainstream are either console or crossplatform, note mainstream. Not all AAA titles are mainstream.

Developed with pc in mind and exclusive are two very different things. Name some AAA non mainstream titles. AAA means big budget, how are they going to make a profit if it's not mainstream?

BG3 & WH:TW3

Both of those are not really mainstream as with some of the other examples (think H:L)
Those two games are also designed and made with PC as the primary platform.

Don´t get me wrong, they still sell rather well, but they are in no way mainstream or follow the current mainstream genre logic.


A game like Elden Ring, have sold over 6 times as many copies, as WH3 and BG3 (BG3 is in EA, a special EA, not like your regular ones, I assume it will sell abit more on release as well)


They still sell enough to be profitable however.

[tfa]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Darkie:

Diposting pertama kali oleh sd:

Developed with pc in mind and exclusive are two very different things. Name some AAA non mainstream titles. AAA means big budget, how are they going to make a profit if it's not mainstream?

BG3 & WH:TW3

Both of those are not really mainstream as with some of the other examples (think H:L)
Those two games are also designed and made with PC as the primary platform.

Don´t get me wrong, they still sell rather well, but they are in no way mainstream or follow the current mainstream genre logic.


A game like Elden Ring, have sold over 6 times as many copies, as WH3 and BG3 (BG3 is in EA, a special EA, not like your regular ones, I assume it will sell abit more on release as well)


They still sell enough to be profitable however.

We got to this point in the discussion because you say that Survivor has a low peak player count because because it's a console centric game yet Baldurs Gate 3 has almost the same peak player count on Steam as Jedi Survivor. RE 4 Remake had a higher peak player count on Steam than Warhammer 3. If BG 3 and WH 3 had the same budget as Surivivor then I highly doubt they made a profit. A game like Survivor needs at least 5 to 6 million sales to break even and I doubt either one did that. I'm not putting those games down they're great games I'm just going by review counts on Steam. BG 3 got 54k reviews on Steam. Fallen Order has 108k reviews.

[AdahnGorion]

Diposting pertama kali oleh sd:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Darkie:

BG3 & WH:TW3

Both of those are not really mainstream as with some of the other examples (think H:L)
Those two games are also designed and made with PC as the primary platform.

Don´t get me wrong, they still sell rather well, but they are in no way mainstream or follow the current mainstream genre logic.


A game like Elden Ring, have sold over 6 times as many copies, as WH3 and BG3 (BG3 is in EA, a special EA, not like your regular ones, I assume it will sell abit more on release as well)


They still sell enough to be profitable however.

We got to this point in the discussion because you say that Survivor has a low peak player count because because it's a console centric game yet Baldurs gate has almost the same peak player count on Steam as Jedi Survivor. RE 4 Remake had a higher peak player count on Steam than Warhammer 3. If BG 3 and WH 3 had the same budget as Surivivor then I highly doubt they made a profit. A game like Survivor needs at least 5 to 6 million sales to break even and I doubt either one did that. I'm not putting those games down I'm just going by review counts on Steam. BG 3 got 54k reviews on Steam. Fallen Order has 108k reviews.

I said it was lower because it was not as popular as the other two examples you listed.
I said its a console port (that is true) and that is sold more on consoles (also true)

SWJ:S did not have the same budget as Elden Ring or H:L either, so that is not really a valid argument, all three of them do have an AAA budget however.

BG3 is still in EA (basically it is Larian Studios way of giving players access to a small portion of the game, to give feedback, find bugs, etc. It is not a regular EA)

BG3´s reviews will significantly up once the game actually release in August.
WH3 also only got 50k reviews.


The difference here is that SWJ:S is a mainstream game and more people write their oneliners to award farm or tell how much they hate/love the game, that is how mainstream reviewing works.


If anything, all of these things supports my argumentation, not yours.