SPOILER TALK - THE ENDING

[R]

So, what's your opinion on the ending?

Personally, I got a bit frustrated. I never expected Tanalor to be the last planet and boss fight sequence. All this building up of Cal embracing the dark side and then ending on some sort of a cliffhanger note. I expected the game to continue, but then I saw the name of the game in middle of the screen. It felt like ACT II that was supposed be a transition to FINAL ACT.

It is a pity that so much potential went lost:
- no dark side force powers (I expected them to appear eventually)
- no unstable lightsabers with cracked kyber crystal (the one that Kylo Ren had)

My expectations - my problems, I guess. Overall, I enjoyed the game. But story-wise - this game could have become a masterpiece among the other SW games. Shame.

[Damonex]

The one thing about plot I don't understand completely is why Bode went so mad about cult move to thanalor. After betrayal He said like "it's NP for only you and me going there, but not them". He doesn't care about light and dark, doesn't care about anything but safety of his daughter. So, he wants an entire ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ planet just for 2 person, because there is no more space for others in his mind or what?
Or another people = danger of planet being discovered, and this is the logic?
Was prepared for his twist since mission 1, because how he was shown here and there, but when it happened, I felt so fidkung pointless and empty about what his reason was... Not like I betray coz ♥♥♥♥ you/I'm an empire agent/whatever, but bcoz I don't want to share PLANET with any force sensetive. The fack?
Yes, there are a force echos of his story to understand him better, but they don't change his stupid final reason to betray and push the button.

So. Am I missing something, or this is actually dumb asf?

[wojti225]

Origineel geplaatst door Damonex:

The one thing about plot I don't understand completely is why Bode went so mad about cult move to thanalor. After betrayal He said like "it's NP for only you and me going there, but not them". He doesn't care about light and dark, doesn't care about anything but safety of his daughter. So, he wants an entire ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ planet just for 2 person, because there is no more space for others in his mind or what?
Or another people = danger of planet being discovered, and this is the logic?
Was prepared for his twist since mission 1, because how he was shown here and there, but when it happened, I felt so fidkung pointless and empty about what his reason was... Not like I betray coz ♥♥♥♥ you/I'm an empire agent/whatever, but bcoz I don't want to share PLANET with any force sensetive. The fack?
Yes, there are a force echos of his story to understand him better, but they don't change his stupid final reason to betray and push the button.

So. Am I missing something, or this is actually dumb asf?

You're not missing anything, byt I wouldn't Cal the path a cult. It's the same path that was introduced in Kenobi. It's meant to help people hunted by the empire.

[LoveTruffle]

Origineel geplaatst door Damonex:

The one thing about plot I don't understand completely is why Bode went so mad about cult move to thanalor. After betrayal He said like "it's NP for only you and me going there, but not them". He doesn't care about light and dark, doesn't care about anything but safety of his daughter. So, he wants an entire ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ planet just for 2 person, because there is no more space for others in his mind or what?
Or another people = danger of planet being discovered, and this is the logic?
Was prepared for his twist since mission 1, because how he was shown here and there, but when it happened, I felt so fidkung pointless and empty about what his reason was... Not like I betray coz ♥♥♥♥ you/I'm an empire agent/whatever, but bcoz I don't want to share PLANET with any force sensetive. The fack?
Yes, there are a force echos of his story to understand him better, but they don't change his stupid final reason to betray and push the button.

So. Am I missing something, or this is actually dumb asf?

A lot of people don't seem to understand that he doesn't have a normal parental situation. Despite his best efforts as a Jedi who worked in Intelligence and cutting deals with the ISB, the Inquisitors still found his home. His wife sacrificed herself so her husband and daughter could escape.

Bode is a broken man who believes the only way to keep his daughter safe from Inquisitors is to go on a holy grail long shot of a quest to seal her away from the rest of the galaxy. He was fine with Cal and his family going with him until Cal had second thoughts about only using it to hide their family's there. The moment Cal wanted to use it for the Hidden Path and bring an unknown number of uncontrollable strangers to Tanalor, his mind was made up that he had to throw Cal under the bus and go there with his daughter alone.

Vader and his Inquisitors are scary good at their job, and there's a fair narrative chance that his daughter is force sensitive. Even if not though, he was willing to kill anyone or die to try and wall her off from them.

[Abscondrel]

bode is clearly badass enough to save his own daughter. they must have wanted a way to kill the last living jedi master. who, by the way, just dies like a dog. really ? they never stop gutting us with bad news. the archive is destroyed... the empire looms over koboh ...
now kala is playing a few meters away from rampaging boss monsters.

i like the game itself but the writing is terrible. hire the people who wrote the witcher and mass effect 3, or any decent book. this is actually silly.

try running the story by a few smart SW fans and get a reaction before you decide its canon. and fire the ones who wrote this crap.

[Sofia]

Honestly the plot was amazing but it needed to be cooked a bit more.

1. Dagan's motivation makes no sense. He wakes up, finds out the Jedi and everyone else who ever wronged him, are all dead already... and decides to stay angry at the Jedi Order. Why? He won. The Jedi are no more. He has no enemies left. He hates the Empire as much as everyone else. He could have asked for Cal's help to set up an army on Tanalorr to take the Empire down, and Cal would have said yes.

2. Tanalorr isn't safe. It was, literally, abandoned because it was attacked by space pirates. Sure, the Nihil were space pirates with cool supertechnology that let them go almost anywhere, but that still means that: A. Tanalorr isn't safe, and B. The technology to reach Tanalorr exists, and not exclusively via the Compass or Koboh's arrays. It's a matter of time before the Empire figures out a way there, too.

Bode, however, was perfectly written, especially if you collect the new Force Echoes that appear after you beat the game. I felt bad for him, and I completely understood how someone can be beaten down to the point he was. He knew if the Hidden Path went to Tanalorr they would, sooner or later, lure the Empire there too, and thus make it unsafe.

[Sofia]

Origineel geplaatst door abscondrel:

bode is clearly badass enough to save his own daughter. they must have wanted a way to kill the last living jedi master. who, by the way, just dies like a dog. really ? they never stop gutting us with bad news. the archive is destroyed... the empire looms over koboh ...
now kala is playing a few meters away from rampaging boss monsters.

i like the game itself but the writing is terrible. hire the people who wrote the witcher and mass effect 3, or any decent book. this is actually silly.

try running the story by a few smart SW fans and get a reaction before you decide its canon. and fire the ones who wrote this crap.

Cordova was not the last living Jedi Master. There are others with the rank of Master who survived. We just haven't seen their stories yet.

[Damonex]

Origineel geplaatst door LoveTruffle:

Origineel geplaatst door Damonex:

Or another people = danger of planet being discovered, and this is the logic?

A lot of people don't seem to understand that he doesn't have a normal parental situation.

Vader and his Inquisitors are scary good at their job, and there's a fair narrative chance that his daughter is force sensitive. Even if not though, he was willing to kill anyone or die to try and wall her off from them.

Yeah, I can see this as reason. But dunno. Maybe during the dialogue in Bode's room, when he spoke about his motivation, there was a leak of lines about his fears, safety, inquisition and whatever, but was a hard point that path is just a strangers, 2nd sort people and nothing more? And this is wrehe all the misunderstandings about his final motivation comes from? 🤔 At least for me.

[Abscondrel]

Origineel geplaatst door Sofia/Dri:

2. Tanalorr isn't safe.
A. Tanalorr isn't safe, and B. The technology to reach Tanalorr exists

Bode knew if the Hidden Path went to Tanalorr they would, sooner or later, lure the Empire there too, and thus make it unsafe.

it would have been a lot safer with a bunch of friends there.
what is more unsafe than having Cal and Merrin hunting him down when he is all alone?

it would have been smarter for him to just not even go there because that is where everyone knows he is.

[orophor]

I felt more of a The Last Jedi vibe than the Empire Strikes Back it was going for. Bode as a twist villain was not great IMHO. You have no ability to call him on it in-game, and to make matters worse, the cutscene at the end of the fight where you are forced to use the dark side or get a respawn screen, that left a bad taste in my mouth for sure. Don't make a Star Wars tale where my Jedi is forced down the dark path to progress the story and complete the game. Respawn made a fun game, but as a narrative Star Wars role-playing game, it's meh, because the player has virtually no agency.

[wojti225]

Origineel geplaatst door orophor:

I felt more of a The Last Jedi vibe than the Empire Strikes Back it was going for. Bode as a twist villain was not great IMHO. You have no ability to call him on it in-game, and to make matters worse, the cutscene at the end of the fight where you are forced to use the dark side or get a respawn screen, that left a bad taste in my mouth for sure. Don't make a Star Wars tale where my Jedi is forced down the dark path to progress the story and complete the game. Respawn made a fun game, but as a narrative Star Wars role-playing game, it's meh, because the player has virtually no agency.

Since when is this an RPG?

[JohnMars78]

Origineel geplaatst door abscondrel:

i like the game itself but the writing is terrible. hire the people who wrote the witcher and mass effect 3, or any decent book. this is actually silly.

I hope you're not talking about the TV series Witcher and you're not serious about the Mass Effect 3...

[R]

Origineel geplaatst door orophor:

I felt more of a The Last Jedi vibe than the Empire Strikes Back it was going for. Bode as a twist villain was not great IMHO. You have no ability to call him on it in-game, and to make matters worse, the cutscene at the end of the fight where you are forced to use the dark side or get a respawn screen, that left a bad taste in my mouth for sure. Don't make a Star Wars tale where my Jedi is forced down the dark path to progress the story and complete the game. Respawn made a fun game, but as a narrative Star Wars role-playing game, it's meh, because the player has virtually no agency.

Yeah, I agree with you on Bode twist. I liked the character but knew from the start that there's something shady going on about him. So there was no big plot twist for me.

As for the dark side, I'm ok with that. But I feel a certain understatement. Like a cliffhanger. Now we have to wait another 3-5 years to find out.

[Twice]

Origineel geplaatst door LoveTruffle:

Origineel geplaatst door Damonex:

The one thing about plot I don't understand completely is why Bode went so mad about cult move to thanalor. After betrayal He said like "it's NP for only you and me going there, but not them". He doesn't care about light and dark, doesn't care about anything but safety of his daughter. So, he wants an entire ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ planet just for 2 person, because there is no more space for others in his mind or what?
Or another people = danger of planet being discovered, and this is the logic?
Was prepared for his twist since mission 1, because how he was shown here and there, but when it happened, I felt so fidkung pointless and empty about what his reason was... Not like I betray coz ♥♥♥♥ you/I'm an empire agent/whatever, but bcoz I don't want to share PLANET with any force sensetive. The fack?
Yes, there are a force echos of his story to understand him better, but they don't change his stupid final reason to betray and push the button.

So. Am I missing something, or this is actually dumb asf?

A lot of people don't seem to understand that he doesn't have a normal parental situation. Despite his best efforts as a Jedi who worked in Intelligence and cutting deals with the ISB, the Inquisitors still found his home. His wife sacrificed herself so her husband and daughter could escape.

Bode is a broken man who believes the only way to keep his daughter safe from Inquisitors is to go on a holy grail long shot of a quest to seal her away from the rest of the galaxy. He was fine with Cal and his family going with him until Cal had second thoughts about only using it to hide their family's there. The moment Cal wanted to use it for the Hidden Path and bring an unknown number of uncontrollable strangers to Tanalor, his mind was made up that he had to throw Cal under the bus and go there with his daughter alone.

Vader and his Inquisitors are scary good at their job, and there's a fair narrative chance that his daughter is force sensitive. Even if not though, he was willing to kill anyone or die to try and wall her off from them.

Pretty much this.

I am a little surprised at the amount of people questioning Bode's logic while not at all acknowledging his psyche at the time. The man was obviously not thinking clearly, should've been obvious when he started shoving his own daughter around with the force.

[Griever]

They are clearly going for a trilogy to milk profits hence why both games end short.

[lefty1117]

You can see where Bode cracks when Cal talks to him about using Tanalorr to fight the empire. I did take note of Bode’s reaction at the time thinking, oh he’s not happy.

I think the overall story is good but it needed to happen over two games. Bode’s betrayal would have felt more impactful if there was more of a history. Throughout the game I never felt that they had enough time to get close as brothers, even though near the end Bode says Cal is his best friend.

Good story overall but needed more time to cook. It feels like they were given instruction to soeed things up at the end because it was just too much in too little time.

Stil, really enjoyed the game and I fir one liked the high republic crossover quite a bit.