People don't actually understand their tech !!

[Zeratul]

looking at those comments stating "it works fine with my pc", "getting 40 to 60 fps with 2080ti all maxed at 1080p", and "the game works great with 4080 1440p getting 60 fps with few drops" etc... makes me truly think that so many people just dont understand how powerful their pc is !! for fk sake if you own a 1660ti this game should get 60 fps without any AI scaling BS on high settings IF it was coded and optimized properly! stop thinking that ohhh new games are gpu hungry and am glad my gpu is getting whatever the fk fps its getting ! this is your hard earned money which bought those powerful pc parts and games to enjoy with superior graphics and smoothness, stop making excuses to developers because it sure as fk they are abusing your ignorance and lack of tech knowledge to sell you crappy games and get away with it !! this game is bad as fk technical wise, and you should at least with a 4070ti get 120 fps without any AI scaling with all settings maxed out! VRAM should not go beyond 12gb of usage for 4K unless you're giving me 0 stutters and 0 loading times !! i advice everyone to at least do a quick search on youtube for their gpu and its capabilities and what kind of fps to expect on optimized games! dont just blindly praise those devs for their shiz job just because you are a fan of something or because you bought delux super mega transformer copy of the game and you just feel bad about it so you convince yourself that the game is good !

[patrick68794]

Originally posted by leonid96:

Originally posted by Wagg:

"bad" performance to these kids mean anything less than maximum FPS.

"omg, only 60fps,. how will I ever cope? ... ♥♥♥♥ game!"

No, bad performance to me is that I can't have even stable 30-45 FPS on Native 1440 with 3080 ti wtih 32 RAM and i9-12900HX

I shouldn't need any FSR to run this game in 30-45 FPS with this specs

Sounds like another you problem. Not sure what you were expecting from a laptop lol the mobile 3080ti is only ~20% faster than the desktop 2070.

[Conquest]

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this is my gameusersettings.ini disable fsr and set this file to read only so the game doesnt set the scaling resoluton to 50% it locks it at 100.

[Bronxstalker]

Originally posted by leonid96:

Originally posted by Bronxstalker:

It's crazy easy to edit the file to run at 100% native and mark it as read only so the game doesn't change it. That's what I did. Fantastic visuals and sharp, nothing blurry.

I did that already, sure. Even tweaked Engine.ini based on Nexus mods to have 100% resolution. Still full of soap and blur though.

But even with that - the game was released with this problem, wasn't it?
Average consumer might never be aware of this "fix"

We were arguing here game in condition as it was released by Respawn.
This "gorgeous", "next gen" masterpiece

Yeah, well, the devs dropped the ball on this game, I'm not disputing that.

As far as the file goes, did you mark it read only? The file can't be edited if marked as read only. I don't know, maybe it can. It works for me, not sure what would keep the game from changing it.

[Bronxstalker]

Originally posted by Wagg:

Originally posted by leonid96:

No, bad performance to me is that I can't have even stable 30-45 FPS on Native 1440 with 3080 ti wtih 32 RAM and i9-12900HX

I shouldn't need any FSR to run this game in 30-45 FPS with this specs

that's like, your opinion, man.

there is no rule that says high end tech will create perfect, flawless gaming experiences.

it's actually NEVER been that way.

highest end components always come with the most glitches and problems because people think they can just toggle everything on without having to tweak, stabilize, or update.

basically, a bunch of console people buying PCs and thinking they're self contained units like their consoles.

Exactly, for crying out loud, PS5 in performance mode drops sometimes to 720p, blurry, and struggles even for 50 fps.

Yeah, the game needs fixing, there's no question there, before anyone jumps down my throat...but as far as fps go, it does NOT need to be 120+ fps to be enjoyable. Hell, people used to thoroughly enjoy games at 30 fps.

[✪ GIGO]

Yeah this kind of graphics should run fine on a 2060/70. There is 0 to none optimization nowadays. Now that developers can rely on FSR and DLSS to cover up their negligence and lack of skill my guess is that we are going to have to get used to this...

[leonid96]

Originally posted by Wagg:

Originally posted by leonid96:

No, bad performance to me is that I can't have even stable 30-45 FPS on Native 1440 with 3080 ti wtih 32 RAM and i9-12900HX

I shouldn't need any FSR to run this game in 30-45 FPS with this specs

that's like, your opinion, man.

there is no rule that says high end tech will create perfect, flawless gaming experiences.

it's actually NEVER been that way.

highest end components always come with the most glitches and problems because people think they can just toggle everything on without having to tweak, stabilize, or update.

basically, a bunch of console people buying PCs and thinking they're self contained units like their consoles.

Sorry, but that is laughable

You said previously that guys who have 40 series have problems because their games are "unoptimized" for their tech yet

Now you are saying that my specifications don't guarantee some quality (as 30-45 FPS is quality, lol). So devs for PC games don't guarantee that their games will run somewhat stable on PCs? Wow. I work at the job too. If I said that about my service - I doubt my client would think I am worth dealing with.

Because that is exacly the job of AAA devs - to have provided by them products and services launch and have stable acceptable perfomance on generalised factory setting modern PC.

And as I said to you earlier in other thread - are you sure you are not AAA dev yourself?Because ou are basically repeating thier talking point - it;s consumers fault because consumers decided to play PC. But you see, Capcom RE 4 Remake - game from this gen, - lauches fine for me. Even Hogwats Legacy was working fine. But this game just doesn't work? Issue with my PC, u sure? But with a little thinking and comparitive anlysis - it runs fine other games.

i understand - you are saying that just good specs and power doesn't guarantee PC health and optimization, that's true. But Jedi Surviror doesn't exist in a vacuum, there are other modern games me and others play and have no or little issues. I am not arguing with you about stable 60 + FPS - game for me and others is microstuttering mess with average 30 FPS max without FSR on. And it doesn't imporve drastically even with FSR. In this case - this is just this game problems, stop excusing it already and shifting blame on PCs.

[leonid96]

Originally posted by patrick68794:

Originally posted by leonid96:

Yes, "lol' how much you want - but how are these games different?
You can't brush it off so easily. If you claim Jedi Survivor is good looking game - thus bad performace, - elaborate on the comparison with Elden Ring. Both game are basically Souls-like open worlds. I would argue - Elden Ring has much more "stunning levels of ambition in terms of visual design"

And hey, big fella, how much Doritos with Mountin Dew you've comsumed today? Should I maybe call you morbidly obese fella?
Or maybe intellectially handicapped fella, considering you avoid main arguements presented, and rely solely on opinions of some "professionals"? Do you always delegate your thought processes to others?

If you don't want to be those things - don't go for pet names in a discussion.

About Digital Foundry - all I see there is some complementary talk, present in most of reviews for games. Large scale journos, even Digital Foundry, can't be too harsh on the game, as it will damage their relationships with publishers. But how does he support his opinion? Any comparison or mention of comparisons with current-gen games, or Jedi Survivor is "stunning" just on it's own in a vacuum?

If so - then that is simply a subjective opinion I can brush off. In true professional analysis, used for professional needs - arguements and conclusions are based on some supporting evidence, where comparitive analysis with ndustries' top performers is needed.

Now - present please proper arguementations why it is laughable to you to compare Jedi Survivor with Elden Ring on the basis of visuals, graphics and performance.

Those quotes were just to show that Digital Foundry, who are a team of widely respected experts when it comes to video game and rendering tech, considered the game a graphical showcase. They also called it the worst PC port of the year and one of the worst in recent history going so far as to call it a technical failure on pretty much every level outside of the visuals. If you want to call others dishonest maybe try a little honesty yourself in the future.

It's laughable because Elden Ring looks like ♥♥♥♥ from a technical perspective, just like all From games. Their art direction is what saves them from being lambasted online for terrible graphics and horribly outdated technology.

I am being honest and consistent. Point please where I wasn't

As I said earlier - just credentials of being "widely respected experts when it comes to video game and rendering tech" is okay, but not enough. I personally see no reasoning to declare this game "next-gen" or "visually stunning". I see no proper argumentation from them why we should consider it as such - only their opinion based on their personal perceptions.

In reagrds of judging graphics as "next-gen" or not "next gen" - I would expect something like this video. Not really a detailed and 'professional" analysis whatsoever - but at least with clear evident supporting argumentation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7o9VHxXTwg&t=10s

Now you post simply your opinion about Elden Ring looking like ♥♥♥♥, but Digital Foundry's conclusion for their review doesn't agree with you. Considering that you also presented torn peice from DF review on Jedi Survivor - I think it's fair I'll do the same and present just their conclusion on ER.

"Elden Ring is clearly a fantastic work, perhaps From Software's finest iteration on its uniquely punishing game design and so, for many, the points raised in this piece won't matter. The game is so richly detailed, its art design so meticulously realised, that the frame-rate issues are overshadowed by the core experience of playing it."

https://www.eurogamer.net/digitalfoundry-2022-elden-ring-ps5-xbox-series-tech-report

My arguement actually was - if we do side-by-side comparison aka in video I presented - how much of "next gen" we will see? And if this "next gen" is visible only to specialized "professionals" - is it really next gen? If difference is minor and not visible, but performance issues are so much worse - how it could be called an improvement if you are being honest?

[nakoda]

Originally posted by Bronxstalker:

Yeah, the game needs fixing, there's no question there, before anyone jumps down my throat...but as far as fps go, it does NOT need to be 120+ fps to be enjoyable. Hell, people used to thoroughly enjoy games at 30 fps.

this, 120%

[nakoda]

Originally posted by leonid96:

Originally posted by Wagg:

that's like, your opinion, man.

there is no rule that says high end tech will create perfect, flawless gaming experiences.

it's actually NEVER been that way.

highest end components always come with the most glitches and problems because people think they can just toggle everything on without having to tweak, stabilize, or update.

basically, a bunch of console people buying PCs and thinking they're self contained units like their consoles.

Sorry, but that is laughable

You said previously that guys who have 40 series have problems because their games are "unoptimized" for their tech yet

Now you are saying that my specifications don't guarantee some quality (as 30-45 FPS is quality, lol). So devs for PC games don't guarantee that their games will run somewhat stable on PCs? Wow. I work at the job too. If I said that about my service - I doubt my client would think I am worth dealing with.

Because that is exacly the job of AAA devs - to have provided by them products and services launch and have stable acceptable perfomance on generalised factory setting modern PC.

And as I said to you earlier in other thread - are you sure you are not AAA dev yourself?Because ou are basically repeating thier talking point - it;s consumers fault because consumers decided to play PC. But you see, Capcom RE 4 Remake - game from this gen, - lauches fine for me. Even Hogwats Legacy was working fine. But this game just doesn't work? Issue with my PC, u sure? But with a little thinking and comparitive anlysis - it runs fine other games.

i understand - you are saying that just good specs and power doesn't guarantee PC health and optimization, that's true. But Jedi Surviror doesn't exist in a vacuum, there are other modern games me and others play and have no or little issues. I am not arguing with you about stable 60 + FPS - game for me and others is microstuttering mess with average 30 FPS max without FSR on. And it doesn't imporve drastically even with FSR. In this case - this is just this game problems, stop excusing it already and shifting blame on PCs.

I didn't use any of those words.

I said: buying bleeding edge tech comes with bleeding edge problems.

the rest is leakage from your hurt butt. you might want to get that looked at by a professional.

[leonid96]

Originally posted by Wagg:

Originally posted by leonid96:

Sorry, but that is laughable

You said previously that guys who have 40 series have problems because their games are "unoptimized" for their tech yet

Now you are saying that my specifications don't guarantee some quality (as 30-45 FPS is quality, lol). So devs for PC games don't guarantee that their games will run somewhat stable on PCs? Wow. I work at the job too. If I said that about my service - I doubt my client would think I am worth dealing with.

Because that is exacly the job of AAA devs - to have provided by them products and services launch and have stable acceptable perfomance on generalised factory setting modern PC.

And as I said to you earlier in other thread - are you sure you are not AAA dev yourself?Because ou are basically repeating thier talking point - it;s consumers fault because consumers decided to play PC. But you see, Capcom RE 4 Remake - game from this gen, - lauches fine for me. Even Hogwats Legacy was working fine. But this game just doesn't work? Issue with my PC, u sure? But with a little thinking and comparitive anlysis - it runs fine other games.

i understand - you are saying that just good specs and power doesn't guarantee PC health and optimization, that's true. But Jedi Surviror doesn't exist in a vacuum, there are other modern games me and others play and have no or little issues. I am not arguing with you about stable 60 + FPS - game for me and others is microstuttering mess with average 30 FPS max without FSR on. And it doesn't imporve drastically even with FSR. In this case - this is just this game problems, stop excusing it already and shifting blame on PCs.

I didn't use any of those words.

I said: buying bleeding edge tech comes with bleeding edge problems.

the rest is leakage from your hurt butt. you might want to get that looked at by a professional.

Re-read your comments, perhaps you suffer from memory degradations, as a consequense from your constant mental gymnatsics.

Becasue 3080 ti and Intel 12th gen is not "bleeding edge tech", lol.
You see, 3070 is one of most popular GPU's in Steam, according to resent surveys. It is now closer to a standart average high-end modern tech. That's why the rant.
As according to you, no matter what PC user has - it's on him that game runs like ♥♥♥♥.

And sure, you have no arguements to answer - you directly insult you opponents, it's quite telling.

[nakoda]

uh huh, good talk.

[AmaiAmai]

6650XT here, checking in after Jedha scene. Zero crashes 60FPS, frame drop or apparent stutter wasn't real; it happens in video because I maxed the VRAM with the game (on purpose after fixing a VRAM bug) ...

Spoiler!



After storm, framerate stayed 60...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZD2psX-A3KI

[John Factor]

EXACTLY! I have a 1650 ti and a Ryzen 7 2700 that can run Fallen Order in 60 FPS 1080p in Epci settings no problem. But cant run Jedi Survivor in low cuz of how bad optimized it is. I get down to 10 fps in some areas and never more than 40 fps with lots of stutter. No difference at all within Low and Epic settings.

[AmaiAmai]

Originally posted by Zavot45:

EXACTLY! I have a 1650 ti and a Ryzen 7 2700 that can run Fallen Order in 60 FPS 1080p in Epci settings no problem. But cant run Jedi Survivor in low cuz of how bad optimized it is. I get down to 10 fps in some areas and never more than 40 fps with lots of stutter. No difference at all within Low and Epic settings.

Game requirements say 8GB VRAM minimum...

[✪ GIGO]

Originally posted by AmaiAmai:

Originally posted by Zavot45:

EXACTLY! I have a 1650 ti and a Ryzen 7 2700 that can run Fallen Order in 60 FPS 1080p in Epci settings no problem. But cant run Jedi Survivor in low cuz of how bad optimized it is. I get down to 10 fps in some areas and never more than 40 fps with lots of stutter. No difference at all within Low and Epic settings.

Game requirements say 8GB VRAM minimum...

And that is a red flag since it is the same engine.