Any one find a better horse than Pebbles?

[Gustuv Wynd]

I mean after Pebbles goes Super Pebbles 2. I've inspected about every horse I can find and I've come across a couple that had a slightly higher speed, but their other stats were really bad...especially stamina which is the main stat I was looking for.

Or are there buffs from horsemanship that skew the numbers and some of these horses are better once owned?

[[SCZ]Celestrian]

İlk olarak Forblaze tarafından gönderildi:

All of the normal answers for "horses better than Pebbles" are either very slightly worse than pebbles or only so slightly better than pebbles that it doesn't matter.

IMO, there are two real answers

1) Gringolet - 5 speed over Pebbles and still has good carrying capacity

2) Kincsem - My preferred horse. Best speed and highest stamina in the game, but has low carrying capacity. HOWEVER, you get a *lot* of carrying capacity from saddles. Kincsem can still carry 300kg worth of stuff if you give him a dragon saddle. With the limited gold that vendors have and the limited use for gold, I don't think there's much of a reason to carry 600kg (henry + horse) worth of stuff around with you. I typically just have henry carry everything and keep him with the prague saddle.

pebbles with stat boost running out of stamina... the map isnt big enough for that.
pretty weak argument (before horse race dlc).

speed is nice and all, but since i ride offroad & through woods a lot, its actual use is lessened (before horse dlc).

leaving any loot behind seems extremely unrealistic to me, thus any drop in carry capacity is the worst option (before horse dlc).

and no, erdel with 140 stamina (instead of 210 (pebbles)) and 338 carry cap (pebbles 358) is not worth it, as 140 stamina is in the pebbles-without-buff-range, at which point is becomes a factor.
not sure if unbuffed pebbles (127 stamina) is able to win the nomad horse race.

also assuming the horse race dlc includes jumping, stamina will be worth a lot more.

[Darth Revan]

İlk olarak ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ tarafından gönderildi:

Can someone expound on the hidden buffs/stats for Pebbles or other horses?

I'd like to have kept Pebbles for story purposes, but more speed and carrying capacity are such improvements to QOL that I decided to buy a better horse as soon as I could. If I could have buffed Pebbles in some way I would have preferred that.

Also, is there a way to get Pebbles back after selling? I did it at the Semine estate before the wedding.

i dont know if there is a horse with better capacity but if you ride pebbles for about 35 kilometers you get the good old pebbles perk which increases its capacity to 338 without any gear equipped.

if you go for capacity do not take hering, its capacity is way lower than the capacity of pebbles

[[SCZ]Celestrian]

İlk olarak Darth Revan tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ tarafından gönderildi:

Can someone expound on the hidden buffs/stats for Pebbles or other horses?

I'd like to have kept Pebbles for story purposes, but more speed and carrying capacity are such improvements to QOL that I decided to buy a better horse as soon as I could. If I could have buffed Pebbles in some way I would have preferred that.

Also, is there a way to get Pebbles back after selling? I did it at the Semine estate before the wedding.

i dont know if there is a horse with better capacity but if you ride pebbles for about 35 kilometers you get the good old pebbles perk which increases its capacity to 338 without any gear equipped.

if you go for capacity do not take hering, its capacity is way lower than the capacity of pebbles

https://inara.cz/kingdom-come-2/horses/

i´d go with meadow if one is able to swap to pebbles without much hassle.
(yes, going back to map 1 and to go semine is too much).

[Darth Revan]

İlk olarak SCZCelestrian tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak Darth Revan tarafından gönderildi:

i dont know if there is a horse with better capacity but if you ride pebbles for about 35 kilometers you get the good old pebbles perk which increases its capacity to 338 without any gear equipped.

if you go for capacity do not take hering, its capacity is way lower than the capacity of pebbles

https://inara.cz/kingdom-come-2/horses/

i´d go with meadow if one is able to swap to pebbles without much hassle.
(yes, going back to map 1 and to go semine is too much).

ah nice, thats a very helpful link, thanks for sharing. :)

[[SCZ]Celestrian]

not sure if those numbers are correct - but assuming they are - one might want to swap when the horse dlc is out.
really depends if a "catch up" mechanic is present or a lot of jumps or speed actually being important.
assuming it´s a series of races and the player isnt able to swap horses between those races, sticking with pebbles is a good idea.
if not, getting the right horse for each race (assuming there´s a limited number with no repeats) ... anyway, i believe the top of line horses stats (speed&stam) aren´t so much higher than pebbles stats that this actually matters.

i havent tested getting a new horse and whether or not you´re able to get pebbles back + semine story + map-change, etc.

[Forblaze]

İlk olarak SCZCelestrian tarafından gönderildi:

pebbles with stat boost running out of stamina... the map isnt big enough for that.
pretty weak argument (before horse race dlc).

speed is nice and all, but since i ride offroad & through woods a lot, its actual use is lessened (before horse dlc).

leaving any loot behind seems extremely unrealistic to me, thus any drop in carry capacity is the worst option (before horse dlc).

and no, erdel with 140 stamina (instead of 210 (pebbles)) and 338 carry cap (pebbles 358) is not worth it, as 140 stamina is in the pebbles-without-buff-range, at which point is becomes a factor.
not sure if unbuffed pebbles (127 stamina) is able to win the nomad horse race.

also assuming the horse race dlc includes jumping, stamina will be worth a lot more.

I don't think I mentioned running out of stamina. Both of the horses I mentioned have 60 speed, which is why I think they're better than pebbles. If you want to use Gringolet over Kinscem then by all means do so. Kinscem is just my preference but I won't disagree if you want to argue Gringolet is better.

Is there something about speed that I don't understand that makes it less applicable to being off road?

Loot sucks, imo. Selling it is a huge hassle and even if I do bother to do so, what am I going to do with money? Tutors are by far my primary expense and I just steal back all of the money I pay them with.

[[SCZ]Celestrian]

i´m still used to kcd1s immediatly being dropped off the horse when riding too close to a tree, which made horse-archery in the woods very interesting.

usually i slow down in the woods.

money isnt an issue, but i like looting. also selling stuff gives rep.

as said, maybe speed (&stam) is more important with the horse race dlc.
i havent tested the difference between 55 and 60 speed, but i doubt it´s too noticeable during "normal" gameplay.

obviously if carry cap isnt a factor, either you go for speed or courage (when mounted combat).

i´m quite happy with pebbles being top of the middle pack... before the horse dlc is out

[jack]

İlk olarak Forblaze tarafından gönderildi:

All of the normal answers for "horses better than Pebbles" are either very slightly worse than pebbles or only so slightly better than pebbles that it doesn't matter.

IMO, there are two real answers

1) Gringolet - 5 speed over Pebbles and still has good carrying capacity

2) Kincsem - My preferred horse. Best speed and highest stamina in the game, but has low carrying capacity. HOWEVER, you get a *lot* of carrying capacity from saddles. Kincsem can still carry 300kg worth of stuff if you give him a dragon saddle. With the limited gold that vendors have and the limited use for gold, I don't think there's much of a reason to carry 600kg (henry + horse) worth of stuff around with you. I typically just have henry carry everything and keep him with the prague saddle.

How to make gringolet your horse after stealing him?

[Grant]

Overall, I have to say I don't know a significant difference once you get Pebbles 2.0. She is fast enough to travel around the maps, and with the right equipment, she has sufficient carry capability (merchants don't even have enough money to buy goods if you constantly loot).
As for racing, eh, I think the AI get boast stats because I checked Hans horse and it suppose to have a lower speed than my upgraded Pebbles 2.0, and yet I almost lost the race against him. I needed to go straight rather than any of the slight curves in order to beat him and even than he was only a few inches behind me.

[Neurodrive]

Den is good also no?

[Private Homestead]

İlk olarak Gustuv Wynd tarafından gönderildi:

I mean after Pebbles goes Super Pebbles 2.

Pebbles has been my loyal mount since game 1. I would not abandon my most loyal vassal even if there was no buff.

[Netheri]

My pebbles has max speed 60, 589 carry max, courage 30 and can't remember the stamina but it's over 200 anyway. I don't have idea which buffs bring e.g. speed to 60 and courage to 30 but I'll take it. Although, I don't know does the other horses like Meadow get the same amount of buff through horse items and Henry and if, then there's many better horses than Pebbles.

[Biggus_Dikkus]

Played all game with Pebbles, never bothered with other horses.
Before the races DLC had no incentive to invest in better stats.
First game swapped it for Shadowmare.

[duncanjmcintyre]

I think it's a bit disappointing that Pebbles (good old Pebbles) is pretty much the best horse in the game.
In KCD1 Pebbles wasn't very good at all which gave me the motivation to seek out a better horse and go around horse traders checking them all out.
In the end I bought Al Buraq and because I had chosen him after a lot of shopping around, I felt a lot more of a bond.
He wasn't some old nag that I had been given but a horse I had admired and chosen, a horse that I had saved money to buy and really loved.
I got him a beautiful caparison, green with silver crescent moons on it because I thought it suited his Arab name.
I always found it weird that almost every YouTuber made such a big deal of Pebbles and how it had to be Pebbles.
I think it's a shame that they have taken away the motivation to choose your own horse now, back then almost every horse was better than Pebbles so there were lots to choose from, now there isn't any sense of progression there and although I will still get another horse when I find a good one, it seems like there is very little choice without making a serious downgrade which is a bit hard to do.
In short, while I love the game, I hate the 'good old Pebbles' buff and wish they hadn't done it.

[Dr. Peppermill]

İlk olarak duncanjmcintyre tarafından gönderildi:

I think it's a bit disappointing that Pebbles (good old Pebbles) is pretty much the best horse in the game.

I feel the same. What’s the point of so many different horses when all of them are worse than the one you get for free.