Why are people complaining about saving the Jewish Quarter?

[Walt von Keisel-Walther]

Theres many historical instances of Priests, Bishops and Lords actively stopping mobs from trying to Murder Jews, even as far back as the 1000's. I get some people aren't fans of certain things that come of a bit as a modern political statement, but why this thing?

[doug]

Escrito originalmente por Kel'Thuzad:

Escrito originalmente por Beyond.Celsus:

Just say you don't like jews

Thanks for perfectly demonstrating my point, despite missing it entirely.

What is the agenda?

Whose agenda is it?

[Bufus]

people in 2025 got really bad at hiding their antisemitism

[dunkle0steus]

Escrito originalmente por Aegmar:

Escrito originalmente por Walt von Keisel-Walther:

Theres many historical instances of Priests, Bishops and Lords actively stopping mobs from trying to Murder Jews, even as far back as the 1000's. I get some people aren't fans of certain things that come of a bit as a modern political statement, but why this thing?

There are also instances of noble armsmen defending jewish quarters from enraged mobs, simply because the jews in the middle ages often had a special status and have been both an important creditor and source of income for king/nobility through taxation.

Another thing most ppl with only thin knowlegde of medieval society (probably most) don't understand that antisemitisim wasn't on all time high - it was present of course, but flared up (just as today) mostly in times of crisis and decline. Plague, war, famine - when bad things happen and ppl are unable to analyse why (because they lack the information or capacity to piece them together) they tend to blame whatever outgroup is at hand, often the jews, sometimes the roma or whatever group that was somehow distinct from the own majority group was most present. Scapegoating, we still do it btw - its the simple way and feels good to have someone to punish for whatever is going wrong in your opionion.

In between there have been contact and even a civil getting along, of course always overshadwed, but there will also have been friendships and periods of time groups got along mostly.

I would like to add that the nobility also sometimes fuelled antisemitism as wicked way of "reducing their debt".

[FLY paladin]

I feel like the Jewish content and the African content is just a protection for the product. It’s not that natural for the original story of the game. I would assume that Warhorse got paid from Jewish company for creating that saving Jewish main quests. The African character is just for a protection that lacking of color people and diversity. Either ways those contents are insignificant in the game, I hope next game would just stay away from those unnecessary contents and propagandas.

[dunkle0steus]

Escrito originalmente por FLY paladin:

I feel like the Jewish content and the African content is just a protection for the product. It’s not that natural for the original story of the game. I would assume that Warhorse got paid from Jewish company for creating that saving Jewish main quests. The African character is just for a protection that lacking of color people and diversity. Either ways those contents are insignificant in the game, I hope next game would just stay away from those unnecessary contents and propagandas.

Oh, please stop this conspiracy theories with a "jewish company".

Jews were a part of (almost) any medieval city (unlike intellectuals from Mali...). In the specific case of Kuttenberg adding a Synagoge might not be totally accurate (I have seen conflicting information on this) but it's plausible and in principle fits well into the story. It's another question wether they could have invested a bit more time into story writing and made up a better plot in which the Jewish community could be integrated.

[theo]

To be fair sometimes it seems these people aren't antisemitic or homophobic, but just have very uneducated stereotypical "grimdark" ideas about Medieval period

[Biggus_Dikkus]

Escrito originalmente por FLY paladin:

I feel like the Jewish content and the African content is just a protection for the product. It’s not that natural for the original story of the game. I would assume that Warhorse got paid from Jewish company for creating that saving Jewish main quests. The African character is just for a protection that lacking of color people and diversity. Either ways those contents are insignificant in the game, I hope next game would just stay away from those unnecessary contents and propagandas.

Jews played big part in Czech history and culture, one of the main attractions in Prague is old synagogue allegedly with Golem hidden there and the old Jewish cemetery.
Its part of the Czech culture, deal with it.
Also oh, horror they have friendly relations with Israel.

[dunkle0steus]

Escrito originalmente por theo:

To be fair sometimes it seems these people aren't antisemitic or homophobic, but just have a very uneducated stereotypical "grimdark" ideas about Medieval period

And I think there possible is even a (small) group of people who are just so fussy about historical accuracy (!= plausibility) that they just can't enjoy the game when there is a building that might not actually have been there - but that's neither antisemitic nor uneducated, just neurotic.

[dunkle0steus]

Escrito originalmente por Biggus_Dikkus:

Jews played big part in Czech history and culture, one of the main attractions in Prague is old synagogue allegedly with Golem hidden there and the old Jewish cemetery.
Its part of the Czech culture, deal with it.

And as a side note: the old jewish sites in Prague are also very interessting to visit as a tourist (even though overcrowded sometimes) and a good contrast to how rampant "bachelor party tourism" has destroyed the flair of other parts/aspects of the city (including the Bohemian cuisine).

[tcassat]

KCD2 fulfills all the requirements for modern cultural products (almost all of which are terrible). Even criticism is delegitimized with accusations of "anti-Semitism", or "racism", etc.

In my opinion, the whole problem is more complex. KCD 1 (the original one) is a rather poor game in several important respects. It's janky, it has bugs, it was released in an unfortunate state, the battle is garbage, the story is kind of bad, but despite all the problems, the game is entertaining because of the immersion. A particular type of audience found in KCD1 a rare case where the devs wanted to create an experience so "autistic" that they even dared to fight with the religion of political correctness. They showed that nothing would affect the original vision, and they delivered something that, while far from perfect, was very immersive and interesting.

That attitude, and the final product, attracted a type of consumer who is quite demanding when it comes to certain things...

Now we have the KCD2. And the devs are saying - through the product - things like: "Oh, even though there's no historical basis for it, we decided to include a Jewish quarter in the game, with its own synagogue, so you can have the great excitement of fighting antisemitism in your adventures through medieval bohemia. Uh? Does that go against the spirit of the first game? Who cares, nerd? You're not antisemitic, are you?"

"Oh, now you're gay, and you can kiss and have sex with your battle partner, who is also gay. Uh? Does that go against the spirit of the first game? Who cares about that? You're not homophobic, are you?"

"Oh, now there's an African man that we invented out of thin air to add some melanin diversity to the game. Uh? Does that go against the spirit of the first game? Who cares about that? You're not racist, are you?"

In other words, KCD2 is modern garbage made by weak minds stuck in modern conventions. Like the first game, the mechanics aren't engaging (it's janky and bad). But unlike the first game, it doesn't have the redeeming factor that is necessary for this type of product to stand the test of time. It's basically a disposable product, made by modern minds who have nothing to offer, for a mass of consumers who have no standards.

And to those who don't agree, I just say: wait. Time is the ultimate arbiter, and it's going to be pretty cruel to KCD2. Time will show that I'm right, and if you're reading this in 2027 or later, you'll already know that I got it right.

[Flaccid Snake]

It's just shoehorned. It's a game set during real historical events, but then you have to defend a fictional synagogue from a pogrom? Why not defend a district in the town that actually existed in 1403?

[Corinthas]

Escrito originalmente por Turd Ferguson:

Because its cool to be anti-Semitic now! Free *currentPlace* remember??

Free *currentPlace* is NOT antisemitic. Just saying.
What is cool these days is being a neo-nastie and complaining about where woke touched your micropeen.

[theo]

Escrito originalmente por tcassat:

KCD2 fulfills all the requirements for modern cultural products (almost all of which are terrible). Even criticism is delegitimized with accusations of "anti-Semitism", or "racism", etc.

In my opinion, the whole problem is more complex. KCD 1 (the original one) is a rather poor game in several important respects. It's janky, it has bugs, it was released in an unfortunate state, the battle is garbage, the story is kind of bad, but despite all the problems, the game is entertaining because of the immersion. A particular type of audience found in KCD1 a rare case where the devs wanted to create an experience so "autistic" that they even dared to fight with the religion of political correctness. They showed that nothing would affect the original vision, and they delivered something that, while far from perfect, was very immersive and interesting.

That attitude, and the final product, attracted a type of consumer who is quite demanding when it comes to certain things...

Now we have the KCD2. And the devs are saying - through the product - things like: "Oh, even though there's no historical basis for it, we decided to include a Jewish quarter in the game, with its own synagogue, so you can have the great excitement of fighting antisemitism in your adventures through medieval bohemia. Uh? Does that go against the spirit of the first game? Who cares, nerd? You're not antisemitic, are you?"

"Oh, now you're gay, and you can kiss and have sex with your battle partner, who is also gay. Uh? Does that go against the spirit of the first game? Who cares about that? You're not homophobic, are you?"

"Oh, now there's an African man that we invented out of thin air to add some melanin diversity to the game. Uh? Does that go against the spirit of the first game? Who cares about that? You're not racist, are you?"

In other words, KCD2 is modern garbage made by weak minds stuck in modern conventions. Like the first game, the mechanics aren't engaging (it's janky and bad). But unlike the first game, it doesn't have the redeeming factor that is necessary for this type of product to stand the test of time. It's basically a disposable product, made by modern minds who have nothing to offer, for a mass of consumers who have no standards.

And to those who don't agree, I just say: wait. Time is the ultimate arbiter, and it's going to be pretty cruel to KCD2. Time will show that I'm right, and if you're reading this in 2027 or later, you'll already know that I got it right.

Very interesting opinion from someone who doesn't own KCD2 and has 8 hours in KCD1.

[NEETsoc]

The Jewish quarter didn't even exist. The writers invented it just to shoe-horn in their philosemitism. That's the problem

[SvarogX]

Escrito originalmente por Walt von Keisel-Walther:

Theres many historical instances of Priests, Bishops and Lords actively stopping mobs from trying to Murder Jews, even as far back as the 1000's. I get some people aren't fans of certain things that come of a bit as a modern political statement, but why this thing?

Because they are anti-semites. Like many people nowadays, due to all the hamas propaganda.