Has KCD2 alienated the original fan base?

[Antiriad]

From an non-scientific guesstimate, I'd say about 40-50% of the original fan base don't like the direction KCD2 has taken.

It clearly is aimed at a younger audience, and the Devs hope that lost sales from the original fan base will be made up by new sales from a different demographic.

[DaniTheHero]

Postat inițial de Mr.Gold:

Postat inițial de DaniTheHero:

I wish I knew if you people are lying and trying to galight people, or genuinely don't see the obvious and apparent political messaging in the game.
KCD1 and KCD2's authenticity and historical accuracy can't even be compared.

Enlighten us then.

Postat inițial de DaniTheHero:

I wish I knew if you people are lying and trying to galight people, or genuinely don't see the obvious and apparent political messaging in the game.
KCD1 and KCD2's authenticity and historical accuracy can't even be compared.

Enlighten us then. I find no difference in tone and historicity between the two. If anything KCD 2 is more refined and detailed.

Read my previous comment.

[Dansoprazole]

Postat inițial de DaniTheHero:

Postat inițial de Mr.Gold:

Enlighten us then.


Enlighten us then. I find no difference in tone and historicity between the two. If anything KCD 2 is more refined and detailed.

Read my previous comment.

I wonder how many of the people defending the "historicity" of KCD2 have actually played the first game, because while KCD2 is far more historically accurate than your average "medieval slop game", the first game set a high bar that the sequel falls short of.

Even if there was a black person in Kuttenberg (which there wasn't), it's unlikely that he'd support Sigismund. If they wanted a diversity doctor that would've actually been historically-accurate, they could have brought in an Arab/Persian. The Arab world was genuinely ahead of European medicine at the time. Mali was less advanced than Britain prior to Roman occupation, so Musa's dialogue is a "we wuz kangs" situation lol.

There was no Jewish synagogue in Kuttenberg (Pogroms were common, condoned by Sigismund, and the Jews were actually a few years away from being evicted from the land), and as the territory of Kuttenberg was under the control of Sigismund, Holy Roman emperor, its unlikely that any townspeople would feel comfortable complaining about going to mass.

[Crusta]

Postat inițial de Antiriad:

From an non-scientific guesstimate, I'd say about 40-50% of the original fan base don't like the direction KCD2 has taken.

In other words "I pulled these numbers out of my anus so it must be true".

[AmesNFire]

Postat inițial de Marmo:

Postat inițial de Antiriad:

From an non-scientific guesstimate, I'd say about 40-50% of the original fan base don't like the direction KCD2 has taken.

In other words "I pulled these numbers out of my anus so it must be true".

I always love seeing the 'national polls' on random stuff, since I've never been asked my entire life and the number of people who actually provided a result is often like 1 out of every 100 people for a 6000 person group across a country with millions of people.

[Babbles]

I doubt warhorse are missing the sales from the 200 yappers spamming the Steam forums about their hurts feelings ...

[Dansoprazole]

Postat inițial de Babbles:

I doubt warhorse are missing the sales from the 200 yappers spamming the Steam forums about their hurts feelings ...

I bought the game and I’m still yapping to let them know that if they continue abandoning their base to appeal to the nonexistent “modern audience”, their devoted fans who actually care about the IP will shrink next time around.

KCD isn’t a medieval fantasy sandbox for pansexual two-spirit furries.

[Dansoprazole]

Postat inițial de Marmo:

Postat inițial de Antiriad:

From an non-scientific guesstimate, I'd say about 40-50% of the original fan base don't like the direction KCD2 has taken.

Translation for anyone who didn't understand:

"I pulled these numbers out of my anus".

I'm not delusional enough to think that the vast majority of players are stanch anti-woke warriors.

I think most gamers are relatively tolerant of weird stuff as long as it doesn't ruin the game. Woke and anti-woke people can both be catered to without hurting sales in the short run, because most players don't really care.

But the methods the woke vs anti-woke engage in reveal who is safer for a studio to cater towards. Catering to the anti-woke results in a backlash from advertisers, creditors, and journalists. Going woke results in grassroots boycotts, the severity of which depend on how great the infraction is.

If the past few years have taught us anything, it's that it is definitely possible to go so woke that broad swathes of people, many of whom do not naturally agree, will set aside their differences because they deem YOU to be a great enough threat to warrant an alliance.

There are fewer people who despise all DEI content than who are willing to tolerate a little of it. But the pro-DEI crowd is a very risky group to cater towards long-term. Numerous IPs thought too big to fail have been run into the ground by DEI.

Players will eventually notice that resources are being misallocated to add diversity and are being taken away from more important things. And once that happens, normies begin to equate DEI with garbage. Congrats, you played yourselves in the long run.

[Barakz_Kamacho]

I'm not even surprised what all this stupid topics writing the people which don't even own the game and have hidden profiles, always same story

[Legion]

So far, all we have are bad faith arguments from people who simply cannot be bothered to enjoy themselves.

[corthew]

Postat inițial de Quarren King of Q:

the issue with your statement. is you are ignoring or didnt understand what i meant. imagine a polished game. then they had to go back and redo game mechanics and characters to force an agenda. lets say a game dev legit had a decent gay couple. well guess what now women look too nice so that is extra work. or lets say a exectuvive wants to add in a quota of a gay relationship and its in tehre just to be in the way. alot of people are not upset about gay people. they are upset of the poor quality of the addition. i have seen alot of games and media portray some decent characters and i had fun with them. but when its shoe horned in to make a quota or somethings. its obvious and clashes with the game. so after a few years of these shoe horsn in. entire dev teams and development cycles of today when it comes to these issues end up adjusting entire game systems and it has spread into further social and developmental issues. this is the great wide internet. you can look further as you please. make sure you look up more objective sources as you can is my recomendation. some of my fav characters happen to be gay. i dont like that alot of people feel like they have to double down to make sure they dont get bothered by people about it. but when speaking objectively. i have noticed several have issue about it. you take care my friend =]

(This is the first of two replies)
They were talking about this after the first game. And its not something that could be suddenly added so this is something that was planned. You're assuming that because they didn't broadcast this detail of the game loud and clear that it was somehow a last minute decision. They also didn't broadcast the changes to the dice game so that its no longer farkle, or that you would be able to have two horses or that you would have an option to make friends with some of the Cumans that were at Skalitz.
But none of those things bother you, do they?

[corthew]

Postat inițial de Quarren King of Q:

the issue with your statement. is you are ignoring or didnt understand what i meant. imagine a polished game. then they had to go back and redo game mechanics and characters to force an agenda. lets say a game dev legit had a decent gay couple. well guess what now women look too nice so that is extra work. or lets say a exectuvive wants to add in a quota of a gay relationship and its in tehre just to be in the way. alot of people are not upset about gay people. they are upset of the poor quality of the addition. i have seen alot of games and media portray some decent characters and i had fun with them. but when its shoe horned in to make a quota or somethings. its obvious and clashes with the game. so after a few years of these shoe horsn in. entire dev teams and development cycles of today when it comes to these issues end up adjusting entire game systems and it has spread into further social and developmental issues. this is the great wide internet. you can look further as you please. make sure you look up more objective sources as you can is my recomendation. some of my fav characters happen to be gay. i dont like that alot of people feel like they have to double down to make sure they dont get bothered by people about it. but when speaking objectively. i have noticed several have issue about it. you take care my friend =]

That first part seemed to be a different argument from the rest of your response and I wasn't sure if I even cared to respond to the rest of it or knew how to, but what the hell.I'll give it a try. ;)
I do agree that some of the gay characters in movies and TV series are poorly done and looked "shoehorned in".
That doesn't really bother me though. Movies and TV have always tried to address difficult issues. The show, All in the family, Happy Days, Taxi, The Andy Griffith Show, etc, that I grew up with did the same thing. They didn't always do it well but the attempt was admirable and I respected them for the effort.
So the argument that they "shoehorned" anything doesn't stand with me either. Its not an easy issue. Its a subject with alot of nuance and confusion even among those who are part of the community.
Thanks for your more reasoned response. I've had to put up with too many that obviously had no respect for anyone or thing that didn't fit their own small interpretation of the world.
You take care as well. ;)

[Marcos_DS]

Nope, like it even more than the first part.

[Nikonos]

Postat inițial de Dansoprazole:

KCD isn’t a medieval fantasy sandbox for pansexual two-spirit furries.

Well, it's all about the direction this takes.
We've seen enough great movies which were followed by atrocious "franchises".
Better stop the rot in the first sequel.

[DaniTheHero]

Postat inițial de Con(troll) Artist:

So far, all we have are bad faith arguments from people who simply cannot be bothered to enjoy themselves.

There’s nothing bad faith in pointing the obvious.

KCD2, a historical medieval sim, has more homosexuality in it than Dragon Age Origins, a progressive fantasy game.

This is incredibly ridiculous and very purposeful

[Jean-Marie Dedecker]

Yes