bows/crossbows suck?

[Bloody [>::<]]

what the hell? they r so much weaker than in the first game. does anyone know where can i change the damage in engine or something?

[MrMinMax]

You have to train up. Use competitions to train your ranged to about 18.

Shot placement and arrows matter too. Takes 2-3 to kill a bandit, sometimes 1 with a headshot. Armored guys can take up to 5 from a bow and 2 from crossbow.

[Bloody [>::<]]

Originally posted by MrMinMax:

You have to train up. Use competitions to train your ranged to about 18.

Shot placement and arrows matter too. Takes 2-3 to kill a bandit, sometimes 1 with a headshot. Armored guys can take up to 5 from a bow and 2 from crossbow.

i shoot a bandit in the face with a hunting arrow and it doesnt kill him instantly. or a cuman with a piercing one to the front of his helmet where he got no protection. kcd1 did it better. im asking for engine tweaks not something this obvious. i want to stealth kill them with a 1 head shot like in the first game

[Baron01]

I was only able to 1-hit kill wild game once I hit level 22 or so in Marksmanship and picking all perks that increased my damage, even those not in Marksmanship tree. I still can not 1-hit kill enemies without using Black arrows but normal bandit takes 2 hits with Improved hunting arrow.Black arrows are best arrows in the game but they are limited so I do not use them too often.

To be honest, longbows in KCD2 are bit disappointing. I have not tried crossbows so maybe those are stronger and more usable for 1-hit kills from stealth.

[Bloody [>::<]]

Originally posted by Baron01:

I was only able to 1-hit kill wild game once I hit level 22 or so in Marksmanship and picking all perks that increased my damage, even those not in Marksmanship tree. I still can not 1-hit kill enemies without using Black arrows but normal bandit takes 2 hits with Improved hunting arrow.Black arrows are best arrows in the game but they are limited so I do not use them too often.

To be honest, longbows in KCD2 are bit disappointing. I have not tried crossbows so maybe those are stronger and more usable for 1-hit kills from stealth.

yea they are. hand to hand combat is awesome, better than in 1 but archery sucks

[Mouse Rat]

Originally posted by Bloody >::<:

what the hell? they r so much weaker than in the first game. does anyone know where can i change the damage in engine or something?

you can get one that is 500 strong but you can't use it on horse.
if you think they are weak put poisons on them.
let bleeds and poisons work their magic.
and kite.

makes everything ridiculously easy.

[Bloody [>::<]]

Originally posted by Mouse Rat:

Originally posted by Bloody >::<:

what the hell? they r so much weaker than in the first game. does anyone know where can i change the damage in engine or something?

you can get one that is 500 strong but you can't use it on horse.
if you think they are weak put poisons on them.
let bleeds and poisons work their magic.
and kite.

makes everything ridiculously easy.

i want to kill them stealthly not to make em alarm everyone and bleed out thats the case

[Mouse Rat]

Originally posted by Bloody >::<:

Originally posted by Mouse Rat:

you can get one that is 500 strong but you can't use it on horse.
if you think they are weak put poisons on them.
let bleeds and poisons work their magic.
and kite.

makes everything ridiculously easy.

i want to kill them stealthly not to make em alarm everyone and bleed out thats the case

then grab that, but again isn't on horseback , and you have to aim for the head.
it will 1shot them. is the one you put your foot into the thing to reload.
500+ power.

i've never tried it for stealth kills, so not sure how quiet it is.

[Humpenstilzchen]

Use bane poison on arrows, it kills everything superfast.

[Xeskengo]

Get your skills up maybe ??

[CloudSeeker]

Originally posted by Xeskengo:

Get your skills up maybe ??

Skill doesn't affect damage. It only affects how steady you are while aiming.

[Mouse Rat]

Originally posted by CloudSeeker:

Originally posted by Xeskengo:

Get your skills up maybe ??

Skill doesn't affect damage. It only affects how steady you are while aiming.

perks you unlock by leveling do

[CloudSeeker]

Originally posted by Bloody >::<:

what the hell? they r so much weaker than in the first game. does anyone know where can i change the damage in engine or something?

I know exactly what you mean. It really sucks at the start. I think the issue is that they lock you out of all the good stuff until later on in the game. So you can't actually get a weapon that and take down a Stag no matter what.

There are a few perks that improve the damage. But so far I am only missing ambusher from the stealth perks, and I still can't take down a Roe buck with a direct shot to the heart.
I guess the heartseeker perk only applies to humans and not animals.

[CloudSeeker]

Originally posted by Mouse Rat:

Originally posted by CloudSeeker:

Skill doesn't affect damage. It only affects how steady you are while aiming.

perks you unlock by leveling do

But those are perks and not skills. If you just need skill you can drink a bowman's brew and get those for a while.

[Mouse Rat]

Originally posted by CloudSeeker:

Originally posted by Bloody >::<:

what the hell? they r so much weaker than in the first game. does anyone know where can i change the damage in engine or something?

I know exactly what you mean. It really sucks at the start. I think the issue is that they lock you out of all the good stuff until later on in the game. So you can't actually get a weapon that and take down a Stag no matter what.

There are a few perks that improve the damage. But so far I am only missing ambusher from the stealth perks, and I still can't take down a Roe buck with a direct shot to the heart.
I guess the heartseeker perk only applies to humans and not animals.

put weak dollmaker on your hunting bolts and it will STOP them from running.
then you can send dog, or run with your sword etc.

you can 1shot deer around midgame.
end part of this video
(the strong dollmaker helps with -30 hp + bleed + unable to run)

https://youtu.be/qxbECOGla3I

[CloudSeeker]

Originally posted by Mouse Rat:

Originally posted by CloudSeeker:

I know exactly what you mean. It really sucks at the start. I think the issue is that they lock you out of all the good stuff until later on in the game. So you can't actually get a weapon that and take down a Stag no matter what.

There are a few perks that improve the damage. But so far I am only missing ambusher from the stealth perks, and I still can't take down a Roe buck with a direct shot to the heart.
I guess the heartseeker perk only applies to humans and not animals.

put weak dollmaker on your hunting bolts and it will STOP them from running.
then you can send dog, or run with your sword etc.

you can 1shot deer around midgame.
end part of this video
(the strong dollmaker helps with -30 hp + bleed + unable to run)

https://youtu.be/qxbECOGla3I

You are missing the point here buddy. If I wanted to poison the animals I just put bane on the bolts as they die within seconds and can't flee. However that is completely breaking the point. If you just want to kill animals that is fine, but it is also a sport around it.
Using poison is dishonorable, and it is also doesn't make sense if you want to roleplay.
You do not poison an animal that you intend to eat for obvious reasons.

In KCD 1 it was a rather nice achievement when you can start out by shooting hares. Then get better and better bows as your Strength and Agility increases. Then when you get a longbow you can take down an animal in one clean hit. That is hunting. Not putting poison on the arrows and let the poison kill it for you.
If I hunt and hit the animal straight in the heart. I expect it to die within the first shot. Just like I do in real life with my rifle. Sure. It might run a little, but it should fall over as its pump doesn't pump no more. Especially not when you literally pick perks to increase this type of damage.

The fact you are pretty much always required to two shots with the equippment you can get early on no matter how much money you have, just ruins it. The fact Mutt doesn't even have the ability to track the animal, or just run around in circles around it when you send him on them is just salt on the wounds.
How come there isn't a single longbow with more than 110 power in the early game at all? Why is the Master Hunter bow not even a good hunting bow? Kind of feels it doesn't deserve that name as I can buy a bow that is better.

Then it is even more stupid that perks that increase the damage of bows isn't even in the marksman skills. In terms of hunting there is few perks that actually applies. The only skill in the whole Marksmanship skill tree that applies to hunting is Steady Aim. You can also count Forbidden Weapon, but that run the risk of just bleeding the animal to death, which causes them to die somewhere in the forest where you have no idea where they ran of to.
That is it. The other perks that improve hunting skills is actually from Stealth with the Ambusher perk.
Why should you train in Stealth to a high level to become a better marksman in order to be able to kill a deer in one shot without poisons?

The issue isn't about not killing animals. It is the fact you are REQUIRED to use poison instead of arrows to actually kill something with bows and crossbows that is the issue.
If you require to use poison as an extra damage type. It only means the weapon is bad. I do not need poison on my Common Longsword in order to solo a whole army in the early game.
What warhorse should do is to add a few actual longbows early on that has more power than 110.