Kingdom Come: Deliverance II

Kingdom Come: Deliverance II

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Seriously considering a refund.
I was highly optimistic about the second release of KCD. I found the outrage over the homosexuality to be overexaggerated as it was supposed to be optional. But the introduction of Musa, who sounds as arrogant as he is anachronistic, is the last straw for me. So I will ask, is it really as bad as it gets?
I couldn't stand Angrboda's character in GOW:Ragnarok and it ruined the game for me, a game I completed and never wish to play again. It looks like WarHorse has fallen prey to the same far-left push for blackwashing that is so characteristic of the loony Biden years.

I preordered KCD2, but haven't played it yet, this fiasco really makes me want to vote with my wallet. The reviews are very positive, however the same could be said for GOW:Ragnarok.
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Amphidex 2 月 13 日 上午 7:16 
To put it in perspective I've spent almost 100 hours in the game and haven't come to Musa yet. I think i'll find him an annoying ♥♥♥♥ but the valid "woke" complaints will be like less then 3% in the end once I finish the game i imagine. Also it's not blackwashing, treat him like everyone else in the world does, an annoying pompous ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ who thinks he's better then everyone. Angrboda is way more annoying since she's a known figure, we know exactly what she should look like. At least Musa is a random traveler enlisted like all the other Foreigners that Sigismund hired, rather then being a known person/folklore, makes it easier to just roll your eyes at whatever lies he says.
最後修改者:Amphidex; 2 月 13 日 上午 7:20
Thanks for the quick response. If this crap isn't in my face all the time then I won't refund.
Well we can´t give you that answer, I played It for maybe 30 minutes until my mind told me, "you member when you made the decision not buying this game day 1?" after that I instantly refunded and first and foremost play the first installment. (Never finished It)

I just watch streams and probably have more fun than playing It myself and saving money. I did the same mistake with Stalker 2 and deeply regret buying It Day 1. I´ll never have the experience like someone who plays It two or three years later with all the bugs and stuff ironed out.

Oh and btw, you´re not alone with GOW:Ragnarok, I didn´t even finished It. *Tips hat to you*
krbi 2 月 13 日 上午 7:23 
I've met Mussa after 70 hours in the game, and I don't see what all the fuss is about. I'm not sure how you'll get a refund, that's well past the 2-hour mark.
Amphidex 2 月 13 日 上午 7:24 
Thanks for the quick response. If this crap isn't in my face all the time then I won't refund.
It's not, Musa is the only one i would say is fully correct in a criticism on "why" unlike a lot of the other things. I do find it silly people are treating what he says as "correct" when it comes across as a foreigner gloating and lying trying to seem better then everyone else, like we deal with to this day. He's still quite small in terms of importance from what i understand compared to Deux Ex Angry Boba Tea. If anything else I would say you should at least watch a bit of the game if you are still on the fence, everything else is fine, Hans doesn't even come onto Henry at all unless you specifically have Henry come on first, it's not hard to avoid.
最後修改者:Amphidex; 2 月 13 日 上午 7:25
Tenchuu Khan (已封鎖) 2 月 13 日 上午 7:25 
引用自 No Longer A Demon Door
I preordered KCD2, but haven't played it yet
There's been a lot of lies going on around that subject, and the fact that you preordered it only shows that it has an effect.

Been playing for some 40 hours now and there's nothing woke or gay about it.
It's the same setting in terms of how the world turns like the first one.

To my avail, the whole thing is totally optional, as has been communicated by Warhorse after this ridiculous fallout.


Bottom line - if you enjoyed the first game, you'll love this one. Writing is one highlight after another, it's just amazing.
Gameplay is pretty much the same, though combat is a tad harder now but more fair, more refined, especially in regards to the master strikes that totally butchered KCD1

And Mutt is your best companion now and just doesn't bark up every tree - he's super useful, not only in combat but also for quests.

It's great - don't miss out on the game just because there's literal homophobia amongst some folks.
Cassidy0z 2 月 13 日 上午 7:27 
Bye.
引用自 Tenchuu Khan
引用自 No Longer A Demon Door
I preordered KCD2, but haven't played it yet
There's been a lot of lies going on around that subject, and the fact that you preordered it only shows that it has an effect.

Been playing for some 40 hours now and there's nothing woke or gay about it.
It's the same setting in terms of how the world turns like the first one.

To my avail, the whole thing is totally optional, as has been communicated by Warhorse after this ridiculous fallout.


Bottom line - if you enjoyed the first game, you'll love this one. Writing is one highlight after another, it's just amazing.
Gameplay is pretty much the same, though combat is a tad harder now but more fair, more refined, especially in regards to the master strikes that totally butchered KCD1

And Mutt is your best companion now and just doesn't bark up every tree - he's super useful, not only in combat but also for quests.

It's great - don't miss out on the game just because there's literal homophobia amongst some folks.

Having to endure Musa and Samuel is not optional is part of the game.
Cpt Beefheart 2 月 13 日 上午 7:37 
Most games i love had at least one\two\three things in them that annoyed me. If i find Musa to be annoying when i meet him, it's not gonna ruin the game for me at all.
Kellar 2 月 13 日 上午 7:44 
Why is everyone acting as if what Musa say is the truth?

Has media literacy really got that bad?

Guy is a foreigner merchant/scholar in a strange land where 99% of the population doesn't know his land and most can't read.

OF COURSE he is going to prop up his culture and country and be biased. He has seen some 5% of Europe and says and already makes comparisons.

He says women are treated better, because IN HIS OPINION, his culture's way is better. And then other people in the camp says he leers at women there. AND to top it off, he says he had to flee some place because he slept around with married women there, admiting his hypocrisy.

Do people really just look at him and see one or two lines of dialogue and judge it all by that?

He speaks about how the code of conduct for Muslim warriors is great and then Harry speaks about Chivalry and it's kind of implied both are decent ideals for warriors but that aren't followed as well as they should by most.

If you see the dialogue you can see it clearly, he speaks of his land being more advanced in many ways (except archquitecture) but then describes how he had to travel a lot to learn what he knows and then how he fled to Hungary when the place he was in(ruled by a Sultan) was about to get embroiled in war.

It makes me dissapointed people don't pay attention to these kinds of things, the game isn't making any propaganda, it's just trying to represent how people at that time would act.

A LOT of people in the game justify horrible acts as being righteous. Do you guys believe them too just because they are saying it?
Cpt Beefheart 2 月 13 日 上午 7:48 
I once worked with a refugee\migrant from Kongo. He constantly droned on and on about how much better Kongo was in comparison to Norway.
So this scene checks out! Buffons existed in the medieval times too.
dunkle0steus 2 月 13 日 上午 8:36 
引用自 E1Presidente
Kuttenberg is one of the largest Citys of Bohemia, of course we have jews there. There is nothing woke about having the whole spectrum of people that could actually be there be displayed in a game that wants to be as interesting and appealing as possible. Even the Mali Guy could be there. No issue with that. Yes it is strange that you can play a gay henry, but luckily you don't have to go that way. I wouldn't have noticed that you have the option, if i didn't read some stuff on Twitter. The Game is really subtile about giving those the option who really want it. Every minority is treated in the game like they would have been treated at that time, which is pretty much anything but woke and what people hate about this stuff. You can meet a guy living alone in the forest who you can ask why he is there and convince him to tell you. He than tells you that he is a sodomite (gay) and that he was expelled from society for this. So no, the game is not woke. It just displays a large array of minoritys which you wouldn't find in the first game as it was set in in a rural area, not a more diverse city.

Why are so many people blindly assuming that the Mali guy could have been there? Yes, technically he could have been there, it wouldn't have been impossible - but extremely implausible, due to the many obstacles that would have been on his way (more than e.g. for an Ethiopian Christian). If a guy similar to Musa would have been around Central Europe during this time it would have been documented, but there is not a single credible account of a Sub Saharan traveller/trader/adventurer in Central Europe during this time. He is not much less implausible than the Dinosaurs that are hidden somewhere in the game as easter egg - technically they also wouldn't be impossible.

I welcome that they tried to make this game more diverse but IMO they did it in the worst possible way. They put in an implausible character like Musa but missed many other ways to implement diversity and also show how diverse medieval times actually were.

Where are all the handicapped and disfigured people? There was a ton of them around and it's an important aspect of diversity, yet there seems to be none in the game (up to 1% of the population would have been handicapped by a Polio infection, and that's just one of many possible causes).
Why did they not integrate the Roma people more into the story? Would have been historically plausible and represent one group of people that's even today discriminated almost everywhere.
Why did they not split up Musa in two separate characters, e.g. a Turk and Christian Ethiopian? That way they could have filled the religion and the skin color "checkbox" and it would at least make a bit more sense.

Instead it seems they just lazily dropped one guy somewhere in medieval to satisfy the most generic definition of diversity and totally ignore how many facettes of diversity there would have been to be implemented into the game and create a better story.

However it's still a great game and I would say the diversity topic is a minor letdown compared to many positive aspects.
scattinas 2 月 13 日 上午 8:38 
He's fine he's an intellectual nothing annoying about him.
solenoid 2 月 13 日 上午 8:40 
引用自 No Longer A Demon Door
I was highly optimistic about the second release of KCD. I found the outrage over the homosexuality to be overexaggerated as it was supposed to be optional. But the introduction of Musa, who sounds as arrogant as he is anachronistic, is the last straw for me. So I will ask, is it really as bad as it gets?
I couldn't stand Angrboda's character in GOW:Ragnarok and it ruined the game for me, a game I completed and never wish to play again. It looks like WarHorse has fallen prey to the same far-left push for blackwashing that is so characteristic of the loony Biden years.

I preordered KCD2, but haven't played it yet, this fiasco really makes me want to vote with my wallet. The reviews are very positive, however the same could be said for GOW:Ragnarok.

You also get to play errand boy to the semites while they call you g*y. It's disrespectful to European culture throughout, you can't even enter any churches. The gameplay is better than the first but the forced DEI elements left a sour taste in my mouth.
MrMinMax 2 月 13 日 上午 8:40 
引用自 Amphidex
.....he says as "correct" when it comes across as a foreigner gloating and lying trying to seem better then everyone else, like we deal with to this day...

Truth. Musa is a very realistic foreigner.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/vKRmZyFlLhM
最後修改者:MrMinMax; 2 月 13 日 上午 8:43
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