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[Naugrim]

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[BobHunt]

Nezuko Pizza Delivery a écrit :

Pikippon a écrit :

No, kcd wasn't as stupid and it was made on kickstart, without DEI
Now that there is DEI, ♥♥♥♥ story, recycled game, still buggy because recycled but worse.

All the streamers playing a niche tells you a story of advertising being the main focus of warhorse.

Stay off of X not everything is DEI like the machine trained your brain to think :RinUnimpressed:

Not everything but this is

[chuckleswillreignx+q]

BigWezz a écrit :

Arden a écrit :

No need to look that far back. It's how it works now. The methods are just more refined and civilized. Well most of the time at least.

But again from a normal player perspective who doesn't choose to role play as psychopath it simply takes next level mental gymnastics to justify participating in this. It feels wrong to me.

The point of it all is to show how bad both sides can be, it's not a black and white situation.

The actions fit the times, and Zizka, the Dry Devil and Co are all fighting for Wenceslaus, even if it seems brutal, its just how it was.

If you could re-write it, what would you have Henry doing instead? Or who would he fight for/with?

The thing is, Zizka is a like a William Wallace to the Czechs, no chance he would be presented as anything other than he is. And his time as a bandit has folklore status of a Robin Hood.

It would be like a game about the USA, and people asking why they couldn't go against Washington or something.

[Naugrim]

BigWezz a écrit :

Arden a écrit :

No need to look that far back. It's how it works now. The methods are just more refined and civilized. Well most of the time at least.

But again from a normal player perspective who doesn't choose to role play as psychopath it simply takes next level mental gymnastics to justify participating in this. It feels wrong to me.

The point of it all is to show how bad both sides can be, it's not a black and white situation.

The actions fit the times, and Zizka, the Dry Devil and Co are all fighting for Wenceslaus, even if it seems brutal, its just how it was.

If you could re-write it, what would you have Henry doing instead? Or who would he fight for/with?

when I said I won't burn the village I had to duel teh Devil, I'd much rather kill him and all his people right there. ♥♥♥♥ em, all of them.

I'd much rather side with Sigismund, from the little we saw, it shows that he is actually the one that wants order and is the person to bring it. He was nbole towards the servant, you and was fierce at the incompetent fools in teh council.

Why hate Markvart when he is doing exactly the same as your new "best friends" they all need to die. If i had a choice I'd say ♥♥♥♥ em all and just leave or try to kill them all.

[Deadly Dan]

Nezuko Pizza Delivery a écrit :

This game is made by a small team give them a break :RinUnimpressed:

~250 people are considered a small team?

[Naugrim]

Also, Samuel....oh we have to save my people, they're innocent...20 minutes later....he slaughters a whole village of innocent people.....MAKE IT MAKE SENSE!

[solenoid]

Why is Musa a Bantu if he's supposed to be modelled on Ibn Battuta as per the codex? Does Warhorse not know the difference between Africans and Arabs?

[Poncius_Pilatos]

I can't agree more.

[BigWezz]

Naugrim a écrit :

when I said I won't burn the village I had to duel teh Devil, I'd much rather kill him and all his people right there. ♥♥♥♥ em, all of them.

Because that shows the brutality and hypocrisy of war.... 😅

Naugrim a écrit :

I'd much rather side with Sigismund, from the little we saw, it shows that he is actually the one that wants order and is the person to bring it. He was nbole towards the servant, you and was fierce at the incompetent fools in teh council.

He's bring order by seizing power, raiding the lands he is supposed to protect, allowed his Cumans to pillage and murder (again, hypocrisy on both sides) and he slaughtered Skalitz?

Just because he didn't rip Henry's head off, that doesn't make him a good guy.

Again, its written this way to show that war and political strife isn't black and white.

Naugrim a écrit :

Why hate Markvart when he is doing exactly the same as your new "best friends" they all need to die. If i had a choice I'd say ♥♥♥♥ em all and just leave or try to kill them all.

He killed Henry's adoptive father and allowed his Cumans to kill his mother. Remember KCD1??

Henry is driven by vengeance.

It's not a sandbox game.

[Naugrim]

BigWezz a écrit :

Naugrim a écrit :

when I said I won't burn the village I had to duel teh Devil, I'd much rather kill him and all his people right there. ♥♥♥♥ em, all of them.

Because that shows the brutality and hypocrisy of war.... 😅

Naugrim a écrit :

I'd much rather side with Sigismund, from the little we saw, it shows that he is actually the one that wants order and is the person to bring it. He was nbole towards the servant, you and was fierce at the incompetent fools in teh council.

He's bring order by seizing power, raiding the lands he is supposed to protect, allowed his Cumans to pillage and murder (again, hypocrisy on both sides) and he slaughtered Skalitz?

Just because he didn't rip Henry's head off, that doesn't make him a good guy.

Again, its written this way to show that war and political strife isn't black and white.

Naugrim a écrit :

Why hate Markvart when he is doing exactly the same as your new "best friends" they all need to die. If i had a choice I'd say ♥♥♥♥ em all and just leave or try to kill them all.

He killed Henry's adoptive father and allowed his Cumans to kill his mother. Remember KCD1??

Henry is driven by vengeance.

It's not a sandbox game.

He is driven by vengeance, but he will never allow or participate in sacking another village. So it doesn't matter if this is war or not, he has morals. honor and principles. You can't just change at a whim and do what you want. It will never make sense to join with this scum, who also killed his friends, shot him and almost killed him and Capon.

But suddenly, we should all forget about that and be best of friends....

[BigWezz]

Naugrim a écrit :

BigWezz a écrit :

Because that shows the brutality and hypocrisy of war.... 😅



He's bring order by seizing power, raiding the lands he is supposed to protect, allowed his Cumans to pillage and murder (again, hypocrisy on both sides) and he slaughtered Skalitz?

Just because he didn't rip Henry's head off, that doesn't make him a good guy.

Again, its written this way to show that war and political strife isn't black and white.



He killed Henry's adoptive father and allowed his Cumans to kill his mother. Remember KCD1??

Henry is driven by vengeance.

It's not a sandbox game.

He is driven by vengeance, but he will never allow or participate in sacking another village. So it doesn't matter if this is war or not, he has morals. honor and principles. You can't just change at a whim and do what you want. It will never make sense to join with this scum, who also killed his friends, shot him and almost killed him and Capon.

But suddenly, we should all forget about that and be best of friends....

The Black Prince also had morals, honor, and principles, yet he and his men torched huge swaths of France 🤷‍♂️

This is the reality of war during those times, it's literally that simple and that brutal. You're applying your good morals to a time period that those morals wouldn't be a thing.

The difference is; these guys are fighting on the same side as your lord and king (Wenceslaus) even if they are brutal.

But on the flip side, Sigismund is equally as brutal and ruthless.

It's all shades of grey.

[Radegast]

"The Black Prince also had morals, honor, and principles, yet he and his men torched huge swaths of France 🤷‍♂️"

Yes and French units threated its own people same, maybe worse.

Different age, different mentality and rules

We are judgeging game by ours point of view.

[Radegast]

Sigismund was only European competent monarch to actively oppose Osman scum.

[Naugrim]

BigWezz a écrit :

Naugrim a écrit :

He is driven by vengeance, but he will never allow or participate in sacking another village. So it doesn't matter if this is war or not, he has morals. honor and principles. You can't just change at a whim and do what you want. It will never make sense to join with this scum, who also killed his friends, shot him and almost killed him and Capon.

But suddenly, we should all forget about that and be best of friends....

The Black Prince also had morals, honor, and principles, yet he and his men torched huge swaths of France 🤷‍♂️

This is the reality of war during those times, it's literally that simple and that brutal. You're applying your good morals to a time period that those morals wouldn't be a thing.

The difference is; these guys are fighting on the same side as your lord and king (Wenceslaus) even if they are brutal.

But on the flip side, Sigismund is equally as brutal and ruthless.

It's all shades of grey.

I understand that, but I'm playing Henry, a villager, who lost everything and stand for his beliefs. I'm playing that character and as that character, I want no part in murdering innocent civilians and becoming ebst friends with the peopel who lsaughtered my friends and almost killed me.

All I hear is, this is an RPG you have choices, but you don't. You're forced into this. Iy makes no sense for Henry as a character to participate or be friends with any of these bandits.

[Naugrim]

Radegast a écrit :

Sigismund was only European competent monarch to actively oppose Osman scum.

Yet in the game, Musa of Mali is his best friend and he even sent him to a Catholic council, to solve the dispute between the arguing monsatery and the new church that's being build. If you don't talk to him and if he doesn't tell you that you should try to find the middle ground you can't solve this in a peaceful manner.

He even says he is here as an envoy of Sigismund and even though he is not Christian, he knows enough about the faith to solve religious disputes.......

[BigWezz]

Radegast a écrit :

"The Black Prince also had morals, honor, and principles, yet he and his men torched huge swaths of France 🤷‍♂️"

Yes and French units threated its own people same, maybe worse.

Different age, different mentality and rules

We are judgeging game by ours point of view.

Yeah.. I said that in that comment. 👍