are we supposed to hate sigismund?

[rumpelstiltskin]

ok, hanush is in wenceslaus's camp, so i guess henry as his subject also is, but if we were to decide, the whole thing looks like infighting between siblings, compounded by infighting between city lords. if anything, sigismund looks like a potentially more competent ruler. so i'm not sure that every wenceslaus's ally is automatically our friend.

speaking of which, personal motivation for henry is also a bit lacking. i get the "you killed my father prepare to die" thing with the bald dude, but i had a hard time remembering why we hate istvan so much. just because he took our sword?

[Henryl8115]

“War is a nasty business”, you don’t hate sigismund because he’s a “bad guy” but because he is the opposite camp
And because your lord is in Wencelaus camp. You don’t get to choose sides, you are the tool not a person in this social system, your parents getting killed is just a personal fuel.

[Dylan]

It’s a house of cards.
Sigismund is the reason your village got raided purely for money nothing else.

Markvart is just purely Chaotic Neutral he doesn’t care for anything he just wants the job done so the reason he’s in the list is he let the cumans raid the village but he did so that way he didn’t have to pay the cumans. As mentioned if you sit and drink with the cumans at the nomad camp.

Istavan Toth he is a wonderful villain because he is the first true Spy you come across. You learn what it is to truly see what damage a spy can cause and of course he steals your father’s sword. He keeps it because it’s well forged and well made Martin was a well respected and well known blacksmith in a major city I won’t spoil where and left because of reasons I won’t spoil. So having such a sword would easily give him a boost in his wants to get close to nobility.

These heavy hitters are obviously well out of Henry’s reach so the only way to get to them is with the help of the nobility of the opposing faction.

Hope this helps!

[joxertm22]

Originally posted by rumpelstiltskin:

are we supposed to hate sigismund?

Let me be as short as possible.
We are not supposed to hate anyone. We are not on facebook, twitter and similar hating platforms.

One of the two playable ingame characters seeks a revenge. Another doesn't. It is you who'll decide if the revenge was fueled by hatred or something else, and also if it was just temporary or will remain.

[Private Homestead]

Problem is Sigismund's men burnt a silver mine's town instead of laying siege when he had a far superior force. Yes, Radzig is just a knight, but if it really is just 'nothing personal' kind of deal why not offer parley, pay Radzig off, and take his mine from him?
Like, ironically, at first I was like, "boy I'd be really screwed up if I was a survivor of that massacre, but that's how war is, sometimes you have to war crime a few omelettes to make a few egg dishes"
As I went on, though, it's like, guys you literally could have just sieged the town and took the silver mine. If the Lords of Leipa can afford a siege I know you can.

[makbthemf]

Originally posted by rumpelstiltskin:

ok, hanush is in wenceslaus's camp, so i guess henry as his subject also is

Jindřich ze Skalice is not a subject of sir Hanush of Lipa. He's a subject of two lords - Racek "Kobyla" of Dvorec as squire, and Chief Investigator (canon); and Divish of Talmberk as Bailiff of Prbslavytsa and Master of Hunt of the Talmberk Castle. (optional choices in KCD1)

Originally posted by rumpelstiltskin:

the whole thing looks like infighting between siblings

Which it was - most Medieval problems were because of royal kin, not enemies. You could google the history of the Grand Principality of Rus - my ancestors turned it to the maximum.

Originally posted by rumpelstiltskin:

infighting between city lords.

You shouldn't overestimate the influence of burghers in the XV century.

Originally posted by rumpelstiltskin:

if anything, sigismund looks like a potentially more competent ruler.

Too cruel and more dumb than Vaclav. So not for me.

Originally posted by rumpelstiltskin:

so i'm not sure that every wenceslaus's ally is automatically our friend.

Welcome to politics)

Originally posted by rumpelstiltskin:

speaking of which, personal motivation for henry is also a bit lacking.

Yes, because he's a high-ranked soldier, but still just a soldier.

Originally posted by rumpelstiltskin:

but i had a hard time remembering why we hate istvan so much. just because he took our sword?

1) Ishtvan was the mastermind of the whole Skalize-Sassau operation.
2) He broke the corporate customs and tortured fellow warriors.
3) Stole the sword of Jindro's father (least important to me, but Vavra thinks differently).

[JaM]

well, it was Sigismund who ordered attacking Skalitz, which resulted in massacre where your family died...

[Kabirbd]

Many of the important characters outright state that Sigismund would be a better ruler.
But they all agree that Sigismund messed up when he decided to rob and burn half the country cause he couldn't pay his army.
So I don't think game is trying to make you hate Sigismund at all.

Henry may have cared about Wenceslas in the prologue part of KCD1.

But I think it's 100% clear in the ending of KCD2 that Henry realization about War, that it doesn't matter who he points the finger to.
I think getting the sword back and taking out Istvan and Markvart was simply Henry's guilt of seeing his parents die and having to run away to survive.
I think Henry couldn't care about Sigismund. It's just two side of the same coin.

[calabacina]

maybe at the beginning of the game, but definitely not at the end.