Von Bergow > Semine; Here's why:

[Dansoprazole]

I just finished Necessary Evil, and this was the first quest where you're forced to make a difficult choice. Sure that dude in the fancy red outfit was a psycho, but the entire reason you guys are in the region is to form an alliance with Von Bergow, and Lord Semine's son was in league with Satan's favorite butt pirate, Istvan Toth.

It sucks that Lord Semine had to die , but making an enemy of Von Bergow would've been mission failure.

Hanush didn't say, "Only try to make peace with Bergow if you approve of everything his vassals do."

[TheLuckyAce]

Originally posted by Dansoprazole:

I just finished Necessary Evil, and this was the first quest where you're forced to make a difficult choice. Sure that dude in the fancy red outfit was a psycho, but the entire reason you guys are in the region is to form an alliance with Von Bergow, and Lord Semine's son was in league with Satan's favorite butt pirate, Istvan Toth.

It sucks that Lord Semine had to die , but making an enemy of Von Bergow would've been mission failure.

Hanush didn't say, "Only try to make peace with Bergow if you approve of everything his vassals do."

Well... but if you follow the main story a bit further, it truns out that your arch enemy was with the Bandits becaus Bergow send him there as a Spy ;)

So... siding with Bergow is siding with your ArchEnemy, even if you dont know it at this time.

While Olda Seming sides with Zizka, who works for your King Wenzel and due to this is your Ally.

EDIT:
Additional Bergow NEVER considered siding with Hanush and Radzig. He just acts like he would to make you do his dirty work.

[Dansoprazole]

Originally posted by TheLuckyAce:

Originally posted by Dansoprazole:

I just finished Necessary Evil, and this was the first quest where you're forced to make a difficult choice. Sure that dude in the fancy red outfit was a psycho, but the entire reason you guys are in the region is to form an alliance with Von Bergow, and Lord Semine's son was in league with Satan's favorite butt pirate, Istvan Toth.

It sucks that Lord Semine had to die , but making an enemy of Von Bergow would've been mission failure.

Hanush didn't say, "Only try to make peace with Bergow if you approve of everything his vassals do."

Well... but if you follow the main story a bit further, it truns out that your arch enemy was with the Bandits becaus Bergow send him there as a Spy ;)

So... siding with Bergow is siding with your ArchEnemy, even if you dont know it at this time.

While Olda Seming sides with Zizka, who works for your King Wenzel and due to this is your Ally.

EDIT:
Additional Bergow NEVER considered siding with Hanush and Radzig. He just acts like he would to make you do his dirty work.

I'd expect that from the Chamberlain, but not Berghov tbh

[TheLuckyAce]

Originally posted by Dansoprazole:

Originally posted by TheLuckyAce:

Well... but if you follow the main story a bit further, it truns out that your arch enemy was with the Bandits becaus Bergow send him there as a Spy ;)

So... siding with Bergow is siding with your ArchEnemy, even if you dont know it at this time.

While Olda Seming sides with Zizka, who works for your King Wenzel and due to this is your Ally.

EDIT:
Additional Bergow NEVER considered siding with Hanush and Radzig. He just acts like he would to make you do his dirty work.

I'd expect that from the Chamberlain, but not Berghov tbh

Yeah but after all Bergow is something like the "second in command" for Sigismund if I understand the plot correctly. But he was behind Troth all time, he was working for him after leaving Talmberg and was spying on Zizka for Bergow, he even trusts him to watch over his Castle ;)

[Pikippon]

What was hard ? If you defend a traitor you get the same punishment lol
Get a load of that torch

[Grubbs008]

Originally posted by Dansoprazole:

Originally posted by TheLuckyAce:

Well... but if you follow the main story a bit further, it truns out that your arch enemy was with the Bandits becaus Bergow send him there as a Spy ;)

So... siding with Bergow is siding with your ArchEnemy, even if you dont know it at this time.

While Olda Seming sides with Zizka, who works for your King Wenzel and due to this is your Ally.

EDIT:
Additional Bergow NEVER considered siding with Hanush and Radzig. He just acts like he would to make you do his dirty work.

I'd expect that from the Chamberlain, but not Berghov tbh

Berghov is the true evil, chamberlain is toast with a lead ball in his chest. You don't get that wealthy and buy a castle simply by being a honorable person.

[Dansoprazole]

Originally posted by Pikippon:

What was hard ? If you defend a traitor you get the same punishment lol
Get a load of that torch

What makes man noble or savage is not the end result of what he does, but whether or not he allows rage to cloud his judgement. Killing someone who is not fighting back is murder, and burning them alive is sadistic. The gallows are just because they're supposed to follow a trial. I believe this topic was covered in KCD1 lol.

[Vanzann]

First moment I've heard name Otto von Bergow years ago in KCD1 I knew this will be royal f-up. He was one of the nastiest characters in Czech history. I pity only one thing - I can't put some decent bolts in his guts and leave him alone, so he could die slowly and painfully. Or maybe stay and watch his agony.

[Vanzann]

Originally posted by Dansoprazole:

Tbh my only understanding of Czechia comes from KCD1. I dunno why Hanush and Radzig would send us into the maws of hell if he really is that bad of a dude lol.

Back in 1403 he didn't spread his wings in full yet, if you catch my drift.

[votadc]

Zizka butchered Adamites because they were nudist but supported Hellsites so he likes heretics only if they were satanists.
The trouble Is that he survived. If the game Is pro Wenceslaus they should give the chance to alter history and kill Zizka to prevent him to kill Wenceslaus's son while he Is in the belly of his mother.

[MaSeKind]

Actually there is a way of skipping that part completely. My first time I sided with the crazy Burgrave, ended up reloading because I wanted to finish other things on the map, and then sided with Semine.

But I've started a new playthrough and just got to that last night. Ended up with a completely different outcome. Which makes more sense to me now that I actually know what comes next

[Narfle]

You should have waited a couple more quests before making this post : P

[Vanzann]

Originally posted by votadc:

Zizka butchered Adamites because they were nudist but supported Hellsites so he likes heretics only if they were satanists.
The trouble Is that he survived. If the game Is pro Wenceslaus they should give the chance to alter history and kill Zizka to prevent him to kill Wenceslaus's son while he Is in the belly of his mother.

Zizka butchered adamites not because they were nudists or supported anything, but because adamites been used as a propaganda tool in catholic countries. Clergy all over Europe kept spreading gossips that all Czechs walk naked and f----k with each other (no matter gender and relationship level) in the name of Jan Hus. That was a fuel for volunteers joining anti hussite crusades and couldn't be tolerated.

[krbi]

I liked the old Semine lord, and his captain too. We had a good time while searching for the missing wagon. I couldn't risk bringing a fight over there, so in the end I lied to Bergow, and we didn't go there. And seeing how events and turning out, I'm content with my decision.

[Dansoprazole]

Originally posted by Vanzann:

Originally posted by votadc:

Zizka butchered Adamites because they were nudist but supported Hellsites so he likes heretics only if they were satanists.
The trouble Is that he survived. If the game Is pro Wenceslaus they should give the chance to alter history and kill Zizka to prevent him to kill Wenceslaus's son while he Is in the belly of his mother.

Zizka butchered adamites not because they were nudists or supported anything, but because adamites been used as a propaganda tool in catholic countries. Clergy all over Europe kept spreading gossips that all Czechs walk naked and f----k with each other (no matter gender and relationship level) in the name of Jan Hus. That was a fuel for volunteers joining anti hussite crusades and couldn't be tolerated.

Lol “they’re gay deviants” might be the most effective propaganda known to man, considering it was used successfully back then and still works today.

[ferengi]

Originally posted by olvlvl:

I liked the old Semine lord, and his captain too. We had a good time while searching for the missing wagon. I couldn't risk bringing a fight over there, so in the end I lied to Bergow, and we didn't go there. And seeing how events and turning out, I'm content with my decision.

Yes bringing the soldiers there was a major regret I had in the game. I've even contemplated loading a prior save but that would feel like cheating.