Hans Capon Controversy Deep Dive

[Jamez?]

How old is Hans Capon in kingdom come deliverance 2?

Hans Capon in Kingdom Come: Deliverance 2 is approximately 15 years old. This age is derived from historical context within the game, where it is noted that Hans Capon was born in 1388, and the events of the game take place in 1403. This information is consistent across various sources, including in-game lore and discussions on platforms like X.

Does kingdom come deliverance 2 have a disclaimer stating all characters are above the age of 18?

Based on the search results provided, Kingdom Come: Deliverance 2 does not explicitly have a disclaimer stating that all characters are above the age of 18. However, there are several points in the information that suggest:
Character Ages: Discussions and posts on X (formerly Twitter) indicate that the game's developers, Warhorse Studios, have clarified that all characters in the game are intended to be adults. For instance, posts by users like @o_schon and @blu_the_femboy mention that all characters in Kingdom Come: Deliverance 2 are designed to be adults, although specific ages like Hans Capon being 15 are mentioned elsewhere, creating some confusion.
Content Rating: The game has received a PEGI 18 rating and an ESRB Mature 17+ rating, which implies mature content, but these ratings do not provide specifics on character ages or a disclaimer about all characters being above 18.
Developer Statements: There is no direct quote from the developers in the provided results explicitly stating a disclaimer about character ages, but the context from social media posts suggests an intention to avoid depicting minors in inappropriate contexts due to the nature of the game's interactive violence.
From this, we can infer:
The game does not have an official disclaimer stating "all characters are above the age of 18" within the game or in its official documentation, as per the search results reviewed.
However, the developers have taken steps or made statements to ensure or clarify that the characters involved in mature content are intended to be adults, although specific ages of characters like Hans Capon are mentioned, which might not align with this intention if interpreted strictly.
Therefore, while there isn't an explicit disclaimer in the game materials, the general intent to maintain characters as adults for content involving sexual or violent interactions seems to be communicated through community engagement and the game's mature rating.

What is an adult in Czech Republic?

In the Czech Republic, an adult is legally defined as a person who has reached the age of 18 years. Here's a detailed breakdown based on the provided search results:
Age of Majority: According to the Civil Code of the Czech Republic, individuals acquire full legal capacity (majority) upon reaching 18 years of age (§ 8 of the Civil Code). This means they are considered adults with full rights and responsibilities.
Specific Rights and Responsibilities:
Voting: The voting age is 18, aligning with the age of majority.
Drinking and Smoking: The legal drinking age and the age at which one can purchase tobacco products are set at 18 years.
Consent: The age of consent for sexual activity is 15, but this does not mean one is considered an adult; it's a separate legal threshold related to sexual autonomy.
Marriage: The minimum age for marriage is 18. However, under exceptional circumstances, courts may allow marriage for those aged 16-18.
Criminal Responsibility: Individuals are criminally responsible from the age of 15, but they are still minors until 18.
Military: One can join the military voluntarily from the age of 18.
Exceptions and Nuances:
There are provisions for early majority through marriage at 16 with court approval, though this does not change the general rule for adulthood.
The concept of adulthood can also be influenced by other legal contexts like labor laws (where there are restrictions for minors) or educational rights, where children have mandatory schooling until the age of 17.
Therefore, while certain activities or responsibilities can be engaged in or assumed at different ages, the legal definition of an "adult" in the Czech Republic is someone who has attained 18 years of age. This age marks the transition from being considered a minor to having full legal rights and responsibilities.

In the United States, the legality of portraying a minor in sexual acts, even by someone who is above the age of 18, is governed by several federal and state laws:
Federal Law:
18 U.S.C. § 2256 defines "child pornography" which includes any visual depiction, including any photograph, film, video, picture, or computer or computer-generated image or picture, whether made or produced by electronic, mechanical, or other means, of sexually explicit conduct, where:
The production of such visual depiction involves the use of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct.
Such visual depiction is a digital image, computer image, or computer-generated image that is, or is indistinguishable from, that of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct.
Such visual depiction has been created, adapted, or modified to appear that an identifiable minor is engaging in sexually explicit conduct.
18 U.S.C. § 2252A prohibits the production, distribution, reception, and possession with intent to view or sell child pornography.
Prostitution of Children and Child Sex Trafficking (18 U.S.C. § 1591) also criminalizes acts involving minors in sexual activities for commercial purposes.
State Laws:
Most states have their own statutes against child pornography, which can include prohibitions on creating, distributing, or possessing images of minors engaged in sexual acts. These laws can sometimes be even stricter or more expansive than federal law.
Some states also have laws against "simulated" child pornography, where even if no real minors are involved, the depiction must not appear to involve minors.
Key Points:
Age of the Actor: Even if the actor portraying a minor is over 18, if the portrayal convincingly depicts a minor engaging in sexual acts, it could still fall under the legal definition of child pornography if it meets other statutory criteria.
Appearance vs. Reality: The law focuses on the appearance of the material rather than the actual age of participants in production. If the image or video appears to depict a minor, legal issues can arise.
First Amendment: There are ongoing debates and legal battles regarding freedom of expression versus protection from exploitation. However, the U.S. Supreme Court has upheld laws against virtual child pornography if it is indistinguishable from real child pornography (see Ashcroft v. Free Speech Coalition and United States v. Williams).
Context and Artistic Value: There might be nuanced legal defenses based on artistic or literary merit, but these are highly dependent on case-specific circumstances and the interpretation of the law in that jurisdiction.
In summary, portraying a minor in sexual acts, even by someone over 18, can indeed be illegal under U.S. law if the depiction is deemed to be or indistinguishable from actual child pornography. Legal advice should be sought for any specific case or artistic project to navigate these complex laws.

To determine if Kingdom Come: Deliverance 2 violates federal law, we need to consider the legal framework defined by U.S. federal statutes and Supreme Court decisions, particularly the Miller test for obscenity:
Miller Test for Obscenity:
Average Person Test: Whether the average person, applying contemporary community standards, would find that the work, taken as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest.
Patently Offensive: Whether the work depicts or describes, in a patently offensive way, sexual conduct specifically defined by applicable state law.
Lack of Serious Value: Whether the work, taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value.
Here's an analysis based on available information:
Content of the Game: According to reviews and discussions, Kingdom Come: Deliverance 2 contains mature themes including violence, coarse language, and sexual content, but there's no specific mention of content that would universally be considered "obscene" under the Miller criteria without context or further details.
Sexual Content: While the game includes sexual themes, the depiction must be evaluated to see if it meets the criteria for obscenity:
Community Standards: There's no consensus from the web results that the sexual content in Kingdom Come: Deliverance 2 is considered patently offensive or prurient by community standards.
Serious Value: Given that the game is set in a historical context and has been praised for its narrative and immersive qualities by critics, it might be argued that it possesses artistic or literary value.
Public Sentiment and Legal Challenges: Posts on X mention concerns about potentially underage characters in sexual contexts, which could theoretically draw scrutiny under child pornography laws (18 U.S. Code § 2256), but these are unverified claims and do not constitute legal analysis or evidence of legal violation.
Federal Law Application: U.S. federal law, particularly 18 U.S.C. § 1461-1465, focuses on the mailing, transport, or receipt of obscenity in interstate or foreign commerce. For a video game sold digitally or physically, any legal challenge would need to prove through the Miller test that the content meets all three criteria for obscenity.
Conclusion: Based on the information available, there's no clear evidence from reviews or public discussions that Kingdom Come: Deliverance 2 inherently violates U.S. federal obscenity laws. However:
Legal Interpretation: This is a complex area where legal interpretation could vary. The game would need to be specifically evaluated in a legal context for a definitive answer, considering both the content and how it's received by the community.
Potential for Controversy: While not likely to be considered "obscene" based on current information, specific elements like those mentioned in X posts could potentially be controversial or legally challenged if they involve or are perceived to involve unlawful content like child pornography.
If there were serious concerns, legal action or review by bodies like the ESRB or legal authorities would be the appropriate route for a formal determination.

[Azor]

I'm more worried about the fact that Markvart is a lich in this game.

[ChuTheMan]

other historical things from the codex that is not the same as ingame:

Semine fortress is in the codex, just like real life, said to been held by the semine family until 1416, while we burn it down in 1403

jan zizka is already a leader of a bandit gang ingame, but by all historical evidence, and even the codex, say there is no proof of that until atleast 1408.
also historicans say he lost his eye as a kid, but when we meet him he still got both eyes, and we're the one destroying it.

the game is historical fiction, which have changed locations, characters and events to make a more interesting game and and story compared to real life.

EDIT: ofc i don't expect anyone here to actually read this comment, since people just wanna join an echo chamber and not listen to evidence that goes against the whole "hans is 15" topic.

[B1]

Thank for the well thought out post OP

Here are some posts showing the Creative directors responses on the controversy:

https://fandompulse.substack.com/p/kingdom-come-deliverance-ii-creative-a22

https://fandompulse.substack.com/p/kingdom-come-deliverance-ii-features

[Azor]

Originally posted by ChuTheMan:

other historical things from the codex that is not the same as ingame:

Semine fortress is in the codex, just like real life, said to been held by the semine family until 1416, while we burn it down in 1404.

Han zizka is already a leader of a bandit gang ingame, but by all historical evidence, and even the codex, there is no prove of that until atleast 1408.
also historicans say he lost his eye as a kid, but when we meet him he still got both eyes, and we're the one destroying it.

the game is historical fiction, which have changed locations, characters and events to make a more interesting game and and story compared to real life.

No, the correct interpretation (acording to these guys) is Semine is a time travelling entity held by another time traveling Lord.

[Imaginary Mime]

ya'll need jesus

[zeanomourph]

Thanks ChatGPT but your argument is invalid. Your entire argument falls flat in the second sentence where you assume that based on "historical context" that Hans is 15.

The real life person that the character was based on, was 15 years old in the year the game is set in; The main antagonist of the game was already dead in the year the game is set in.

The game is a fictional story based on a real world setting, not a documentary that is perfectly life-accurate down to the ages of individual characters, because if it were then the story would fall apart with the main villain already being dead and all.

[Αbigail]

In the codex of the first game it says "Jan Ptacek (sir Hans Capon) is the underage son of..." etc. Also, and specifically in the cutscene before the quest "Robber Baron"
Lord Hanush is reprimanding Hans. Lord Hanush is clearly stating that Capon is his ward because of his young age , and that the subjects are not looking forward to coming under his rule when he comes of age because of his immaturity. AND he threatens him that he will send him to his mom if he does not stop chasing after...(drumroll) women!

[JockMcPlop]

I'm still gonna say if this is how people are looking at this then Braveheart, the movie about a scottish pedo shagging a 4 year old girl (portrayed as an adult in the movie) is way worse.

Of course, because they are portrayed as an adult in the movie - and not a 4 year old like they were in real life at that time - what the movie does is actually fine.

[FruitBat Man]

There's nothing other than a slight dereliction of responsibility that would point to him being 15 in the game. Nothing

[stamjim]

Originally posted by JockMcPlop:

I'm still gonna say if this is how people are looking at this then Braveheart, the movie about a scottish pedo shagging a 4 year old girl (portrayed as an adult in the movie) is way worse.

Of course, because they are portrayed as an adult in the movie - and not a 4 year old like they were in real life at that time - what the movie does is actually fine.

Dude this is the kingdom Come II forums not Braveheart.

[ChuTheMan]

Originally posted by Victoria:

In the codex of the first game it says "Jan Ptacek (sir Hans Capon) is the underage son of..." etc. Also, and specifically in the cutscene before the quest "Robber Baron"
Lord Hanush is reprimanding Hans. Lord Hanush is clearly stating that Capon is his ward because of his young age , and that the subjects are not looking forward to coming under his rule when he comes of age because of his immaturity. AND he threatens him that he will send him to his mom if he does not stop chasing after...(drumroll) women!

"The lord would enjoy the profits of the estate for as long as the heir remained his ward: until the age of 21, if the ward was male, or until the age of 16, if the ward was female. Similarly lucrative was the right to marry the heir to a person of the lord's choosing."
lords were in no rush to give away the land they held to the rightful ruler because they would lose the profits, real like hanush were actually forced to leave, not by his own accord or because hans became adult.

you could be a ward until the age of 21 as male.
also "immaturity" doesn't mean you're a kid either, adults can be immature too, and not too uncommon with people age 18-20s when they do nothing but chase women instead of doing their duties.
he also didn't even get to rule before he was 24.

also again, I have proven that the codex do not portray ingame characters or locations, rather the historical people and locations the game is based on.

[JockMcPlop]

Originally posted by stamjim:

Originally posted by JockMcPlop:

I'm still gonna say if this is how people are looking at this then Braveheart, the movie about a scottish pedo shagging a 4 year old girl (portrayed as an adult in the movie) is way worse.

Of course, because they are portrayed as an adult in the movie - and not a 4 year old like they were in real life at that time - what the movie does is actually fine.

Dude this is the kingdom Come II forums not Braveheart.

I'm pointing out a double standard.

These people couldn't care less if, by their own standards, a movie portrays sex with a 4 year old girl, and yet they pretend they are all about following the law and making sure everything's above board.

[Razdan]

In the Czech Republic in 1403, the legal adult age would have been considered around 14 years old based on the historical norms of the time, although this could vary depending on the specific region and social status.

Key points to remember:

No standardized adult age:
During the medieval period, there was no universally accepted definition of adulthood across Europe, and the age of majority often fluctuated depending on the location and social class.

Early adulthood in medieval times:
Generally, people were considered adults much earlier in medieval times compared to today, with many reaching legal adulthood around the age of 14 or 15.