HEAVY Spoilers ( I think ) - I don't like where this story is going.

[Private Hidehead]

After or during a particular quest called NECESSARY EVIL I sensed that this story is about to either get really interesting or go to become trash for my taste.

At first after the Semine incident where I decided to stay loyal to the Lord von Bergow, because they were obviously guilty and trying to protect a murderer, I went back to the Lord and he condemned the actions of his idiotic Leader of the mission. I sided with him because I thought if I do not, and I think I am right about that, I would have ended up ruining any potential peace negotiations for good right then and there, for some random ass family that hid a murderer that lead a terror attack on the Lords people. So I let him do his thing and reported his deranged behaviour to the Lord.

At that point I thought great, there is two sides to the story and they didn't just magically without any indicator force me to switch sides by making the bad guys, the terrorists, now "good" and the "good guys" now bad, for which there was no indicator before. That I thought because the Lord at least condemned what his Mission Leader did and put him in his place. So they ( the Bergows people in general as well as the Lord himself ), at least in context setting and time of the game, behaved like pretty just people and nobody really flamed the Lord or his reign so it's not like you were made suspicious beforehand or gradually.

Unfortunately right after Semine where you had the pseudo choice of siding with one or the other side you were now forced to side with the other side, the terrorists. Which are now the good guys.

The writers really wanted to make you feel bad for siding with von Bergow and trying to make peace on an international level and practicing diplomacy by making a complete 180 twist and then having all the npcs remind you of the stuff that happened as if there was any real choice to be made in first place when you had no knowledge. They wanted you to make an emotional instant choice right then and there projecting like an absolute ape that if this guy of his company his bad, Lord Bergow probably bad. White Hair Man Bad. Why I think that now even though he condemend the actions of his Soldier? Because he now turned out to be bad, a snake who tricked us by being the best actor and most anticipatory man that has ever lived in that virtual universe, hence he didn't kill the two main characters right when he had the chance to do so but instead sent them on missions with his own people knowing full well should anyone of the bandits ever have a loose tongue or should Henry and Capon figure out anything whatsoever about his evil plans and trickery and get to talk to anyone of knowledge from the banidts they would manipulate his own mission and kill his own men.

It's just breathtakingly stupid in my opinion. It doesn't make any sense whatsoever.


Not sure if this is a historical thing that it just turned out this way but even then there could have been a more gradual way of approaching it so that it's not just an in your face 180 degree turn. There is literally no way that there would be no indicators before Semine for this guy to be most likely up to no good. Considering this is a game that is supposed to be somewhat realistic and give the player a lot of agency in figuring things out, I talked to so many npcs and have never heard much of a bad word about Lord von Bergow or Isthvar or whatever his name was rumors of him being in his service. Or anything like that.

But maybe I am just blind or I missed that. If that's so, that's on me, then it's just not my type of game as I clearly couldn't figure it out beforehand.


Wondering if anyone feels the same way about the story.

I think I am probably still early in the game, but it's already starting to annoy me story wise. So I really really hope it gets better from here on.

[Blood]

Finish the story lmao this isn't a chat room

[Private Hidehead]

Originally posted by Blood:

Finish the story lmao this isn't a chat room

Aight chief, will do.

It certainly seems like a chat room, considering the way all the other community hub posts went, so I thought I treat it like one. lol
Since I do not really have friends interested in this particular game.

[BenShinobi]

no, the writers didn't 'want to make you feel bad'. You start the story knowing Von Bergow is a supporter of Sigismund, but that there was an unknown possibility of convincing him to change sides. Henry & Hans don't have a wide perspective of goings on in the region so it's not unreasonable for them to have been convinced that if they helped Von Bergow out he would consider their offer. They're not stupid for having tried this because of other things they had no way of knowing.

The game does a good job of not actually presenting anyone as wholly good or bad. There are characters you're against, characters that Henry has personal animosity against, and allies that are also not exactly savoury characters. Even the most 'evil' characters get a human aspect shown to them.

Hell, it's even pretty clear if you pay attention that either Wenceslas or Sigismund are flawed as kings. Wenceslas is weak & useless & lets the lords scheme and abuse their power while Sigismund is brutal and oppressive. Both have employed banditry against the other, everyone has blood on their hands. Using words like 'terrorist' is really unsuitable. That's a modern concept you're trying to project onto this period.

[Loli Supremacy]

Originally posted by Private Hidehead:

Originally posted by Blood:

Finish the story lmao this isn't a chat room

Aight chief, will do.

It certainly seems like a chat room, considering the way all the other community hub posts went, so I thought I treat it like one. lol

You are responding to a paid shill, bro
This game is so garbage that Embracer Group is paying shills to defend it on these forums.

[Owwwzzzzz]

Yeah, finish the story, the only breathtakingly bad thing ive seen tonight is this post.

[BenShinobi]

Originally posted by Loli Supremacy:

Originally posted by Private Hidehead:

Aight chief, will do.

It certainly seems like a chat room, considering the way all the other community hub posts went, so I thought I treat it like one. lol

You are responding to a paid shill, bro
This game is so garbage that Embracer Group is paying shills to defend it on these forums.

Lol of course. Why accept the reality that the game is incredibly popular when you can believe that they're paying people to do... what? That guy isn't even defending the game... what about their statement triggered you?!

[Private Hidehead]

Originally posted by BenShinobi:

no, the writers didn't 'want to make you feel bad'. You start the story knowing Von Bergow is a supporter of Sigismund, but that there was an unknown possibility of convincing him to change sides. Henry & Hans don't have a wide perspective of goings on in the region so it's not unreasonable for them to have been convinced that if they helped Von Bergow out he would consider their offer. They're not stupid for having tried this because of other things they had no way of knowing.

The game does a good job of not actually presenting anyone as wholly good or bad. There are characters you're against, characters that Henry has personal animosity against, and allies that are also not exactly savoury characters. Even the most 'evil' characters get a human aspect shown to them.

Hell, it's even pretty clear if you pay attention that either Wenceslas or Sigismund are flawed as kings. Wenceslas is weak & useless & lets the lords scheme and abuse their power while Sigismund is brutal and oppressive. Both have employed banditry against the other, everyone has blood on their hands. Using words like 'terrorist' is really unsuitable. That's a modern concept you're trying to project onto this period.

Well, I was using the term "terrorist" because they committed terrorist acts from my POV. Yeah it is a modern concept but I was intentionally using it because this situation made me feel like I am all of a sudden siding with terrorists who I heard nothing good about up until that point and all of a sudden I am faced with the apparent fact that they are in fact not as bad as they acted.

I don't know. It's not like it's not interesting to see where this goes but I think the game only did a good job in making the Lord von Bergow not seem like a bad guy up until that point, not the bandits or whatever you wanna call these people. They seemed straight up bad from the get go up until during or right after Semine incident. They are not even really bandits at this point they are clearly a military force from someone. I forgot the names of the people. Their Leaders.

[BenShinobi]

Originally posted by Private Hidehead:

Originally posted by BenShinobi:

no, the writers didn't 'want to make you feel bad'. You start the story knowing Von Bergow is a supporter of Sigismund, but that there was an unknown possibility of convincing him to change sides. Henry & Hans don't have a wide perspective of goings on in the region so it's not unreasonable for them to have been convinced that if they helped Von Bergow out he would consider their offer. They're not stupid for having tried this because of other things they had no way of knowing.

The game does a good job of not actually presenting anyone as wholly good or bad. There are characters you're against, characters that Henry has personal animosity against, and allies that are also not exactly savoury characters. Even the most 'evil' characters get a human aspect shown to them.

Hell, it's even pretty clear if you pay attention that either Wenceslas or Sigismund are flawed as kings. Wenceslas is weak & useless & lets the lords scheme and abuse their power while Sigismund is brutal and oppressive. Both have employed banditry against the other, everyone has blood on their hands. Using words like 'terrorist' is really unsuitable. That's a modern concept you're trying to project onto this period.

Well, I was using the term "terrorist" because they committed terrorist acts from my POV. Yeah it is a modern concept but I was intentionally using it because this situation made me feel like I am all of a sudden siding with terrorists who I heard nothing good about up until that point and all of a sudden I am faced with the apparent fact that they are in fact not as bad as they acted.

I don't know. It's not like it's not interesting to see where this goes but I think the game only did a good job in making the Lord von Bergow not seem like a bad guy up until that point, not the bandits or whatever you wanna call these people. They seemed straight up bad from the get go up until during or right after Semine incident. They are not even really bandits at this point they are clearly a military force from someone. I forgot the names of the people. Their Leaders.

But that's the point. They are bandits (at least the leader is a knight whose task is to employ bandits to cause trouble in the region) but both sides have engaged in this (KCD1 there's a similar situation of bandits being used by the opposing side). Everything's just more complicated than who's the 'good guys'. People may be nice to you when they're on your side, but towards their enemies they're just as likely to use extreme brutality and underhanded means.

[Private Hidehead]

Originally posted by Owwwzzzzz:

Yeah, finish the story, the only breathtakingly bad thing ive seen tonight is this post.

I will never understand posts like these. What's the point of even replying at this point?

[Private Hidehead]

Originally posted by BenShinobi:

Originally posted by Private Hidehead:

Well, I was using the term "terrorist" because they committed terrorist acts from my POV. Yeah it is a modern concept but I was intentionally using it because this situation made me feel like I am all of a sudden siding with terrorists who I heard nothing good about up until that point and all of a sudden I am faced with the apparent fact that they are in fact not as bad as they acted.

I don't know. It's not like it's not interesting to see where this goes but I think the game only did a good job in making the Lord von Bergow not seem like a bad guy up until that point, not the bandits or whatever you wanna call these people. They seemed straight up bad from the get go up until during or right after Semine incident. They are not even really bandits at this point they are clearly a military force from someone. I forgot the names of the people. Their Leaders.

But that's the point. They are bandits (at least the leader is a knight whose task is to employ bandits to cause trouble in the region) but both sides have engaged in this (KCD1 there's a similar situation of bandits being used by the opposing side). Everything's just more complicated than who's the 'good guys'. People may be nice to you when they're on your side, but towards their enemies they're just as likely to use extreme brutality and underhanded means.

I see. :) Thanks for explaining! I didn't play the first game. I saw a recap and some major cutscenes of it though but there is probably a LOT of detail that I am missing about the first game which would have potentially helped understand the situation better I guess.

[votadc]

Why Wenceslaus should use scum worse than cumans? Bandits that cause trouble for the sake of It?
He is supposed to be the useless fool not the cynical One, Sigismund should employ cruel raiders.
Also shouldn't Henry kill first the ones that are defiling the name of Wenceslaus and then fight against Sigismund?

[Private Hidehead]

So it turns out I am still in the first third of the game pretty much and that's just considering the main quests.

I am actually thinking about just buying the first game and playing it for myself before I continue considering what @BenShinobi explained.

I feel like that isn't that stupid of an Idea.

[caseman2012]

Originally posted by Loli Supremacy:

Originally posted by Private Hidehead:

Aight chief, will do.

It certainly seems like a chat room, considering the way all the other community hub posts went, so I thought I treat it like one. lol

You are responding to a paid shill, bro
This game is so garbage that Embracer Group is paying shills to defend it on these forums.

Says the pedo, who whacks it to drawn children.

[duckmonst3r]

they really tried to sell the narrative that von bergow lured henry and hans into a false sense of comraderie

[Jonjon]

"pseudo choice" you can avoid the raid on semine entirely if you make the right choices there are even an achievement