Hans capon is 15

[Morganlloyd63]

Hans capon is 15 Born 1388 game starts 1403 if the lore from the first game is to be believed. So Henry the sodomite is also a nonce

[Lying Sack Of Fun]

I'm pretty sure 2 minors depicted in pornographic style is illegal in the US. I'm interested to see where these developments lead. Crazy ideas by the devs. Idk if Steam has a problem with it though.

[Kona]

Originally posted by Red Duke:

Nice to know his 'Amorous Adventures' in game one were based and Christpilled but the gae makes it horrifying now in pt 2.

I haven't seen one person that has beaten KCD1 complaining about anything in KCD2. All these guys have hidden profiles, zero hours, or barely made it out of skalitz

[Femme Bunny]

It kinda sucks how this good game is getting slandered because people think one action, in game, that you really have to try hard to get to, is "grooming" yet we have to use a wiki for a person who died 600 years ago. Who we don't know his actual birth or when Czech marked the real Hans as an adult, or how old Henry really is since we don't have records of this either. The entire controversy is only happening because conservatives don't want to look at how bad their vote is making their country.

[Mumblez]

Originally posted by ChuTheMan:

Originally posted by Mumblez:

Rimworld fails the basic definition of "graphic depiction of sexual content".

so pedophilia is okay as long as it doesnt show sexual stuff?
that's a weird way to defend pedophilia.

so you dont mind for example a book that is purely about it? since there will be no graphic depections of it?

I'm saying as FAR as laws are concerned, it being graphic is a huge element. Its not a pornographic scene in rimworld, its literally 2 pawns coming into adjacent tiles in beds, little heart icons floating, and them getting a high mood buff / pregnancy chance. The pawns don't even have nipples, butts, genitals, ect. They are skin colored potatos basically, lacking any sexual definition visually

But this game GRAPHICALLY depicts the nudity, very clearly, which many courts would count as CP.

[MANJA]

Originally posted by Morganlloyd63:

Hans capon is 15 if the lore from the first game is to be believed. So Henry the sodomite is also a nonce

Seems vavra believes that too https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe27ec0b1-e5ea-4571-95cc-73f8e19840bc_599x347.png

Image of him defending the child sodomy by saying girls got married at 12

[Kona]

Originally posted by Mumblez:

Originally posted by ChuTheMan:

so pedophilia is okay as long as it doesnt show sexual stuff?
that's a weird way to defend pedophilia.

so you dont mind for example a book that is purely about it? since there will be no graphic depections of it?

I'm saying as FAR as laws are concerned, it being graphic is a huge element. Its not a pornographic scene in rimworld, its literally 2 pawns coming into adjacent tiles in beds, little heart icons floating, and them getting a high mood buff / pregnancy chance. The pawns don't even have nipples, butts, genitals, ect. They are skin colored potatos basically, lacking any sexual definition visually

But this game GRAPHICALLY depicts the nudity, very clearly, which many courts would count as CP.

You haven't even played the game. You barely got out of skalitz in KCD1. Go beat KCD1 and play the amorous adventures of hans capon and see if you still feel this strongly about something you have no clue about

[theo]

Originally posted by TNX.:

The codex says 1388 with a (?) next to it, meaning we don't know his actual birth year. Stop insinuating, you're being childish. And overall, he is NOT 15, you have to be a literal fool to actually believe that.

Aside from the fact that in-game characters and their historical inspirations clearly aren't meant to be 1 to 1 same. Some are supposed to be dead by 1403

[Space Cowboy]

Originally posted by ChuTheMan:

Originally posted by Mumblez:

So its SCHRODINGERs pedophilia?

This is NOT really an improvement you know.

brother in christ. you got rimworld.
at age 16 pawns can reproduce, AKA you can make minors have sex (even with adults) and make them pregnant.

Originally posted by Space Cowboy:

It's literally on the wiki? Second paraghraph.

https://kingdom-come-deliverance.fandom.com/wiki/Hans_Capon

same goes for you.

Why have you guys not gone on crusade on the rimworld forum about this issue?

I see where you're coming from. It may seems hypocrytical indeed, almost like a got you moment, so let me share some thoughts on how I approach this.

Rimworld is not personal enough, it's not romanticized. It's not meant for sexual or romantic gratification. And it gives you none, even if a person is a weirdo.

Rimworld's characters are 2d ugly models with no sexual details, no intimacy, no dialogue, not moaning or sex sounds, not innuendos, not even nipples or naked skin. Literally nothing human about it, just a flavour text. It's literally how creatures breed in Spore, it's a feature to earn more colonists, not for sexual gratification.

For the same reason, excessive cruelty and absurde things are taken more lighty in Rimworld setting, such as torture, organ harvesting, etc. There's no link between stupid top-down 2d models and the real world. The same goes for Worms franchise, Lemmings and many others games and even cartoon series.

KCD on the hand is high detailed graphics, is voiced, has romantic cliches, the slow burning, the romantic tropes. It's INTENDED to give you romantic and perhaps sexual gratification.

IIRC EA changed The Sims 4 romance between teenagers for the same reason. It's very relatable.

[theo]

Originally posted by Mumblez:

Originally posted by ChuTheMan:

so pedophilia is okay as long as it doesnt show sexual stuff?
that's a weird way to defend pedophilia.

so you dont mind for example a book that is purely about it? since there will be no graphic depections of it?

I'm saying as FAR as laws are concerned, it being graphic is a huge element. Its not a pornographic scene in rimworld, its literally 2 pawns coming into adjacent tiles in beds, little heart icons floating, and them getting a high mood buff / pregnancy chance. The pawns don't even have nipples, butts, genitals, ect. They are skin colored potatos basically, lacking any sexual definition visually

But this game GRAPHICALLY depicts the nudity, very clearly, which many courts would count as CP.

Better see those courts than keep spreading bs then. Gl with that, because GRAPHICALLY these "child" characters are based off 30 years old actors. Beards and chest hair included

[corthew]

The Hans portrayed in this game is only loosely based on a real historical figure. And Henry is a composite of the type of people who lived in that time period and were thrust into the service of royalty.
Neither of them are 15. They are of legal age.
While 15 was legal age in that time period, because it isn't in many places today the creators of the game chose to not have anyone under 18 in the game.

[Mordochlacz]

Originally posted by Space Cowboy:

Originally posted by ChuTheMan:

brother in christ. you got rimworld.
at age 16 pawns can reproduce, AKA you can make minors have sex (even with adults) and make them pregnant.


same goes for you.

Why have you guys not gone on crusade on the rimworld forum about this issue?

I see where you're coming from. It may seems hypocrytical indeed, almost like a got you moment, so let me share some thoughts on how I approach this.

Rimworld is not personal enough, it's not romanticized. It's not meant for sexual or romantic gratification. And it gives you none, even if a person is a weirdo.

Rimworld's characters are 2d ugly models with no sexual details, no intimacy, no dialogue, not moaning or sex sounds, not innuendos, not even nipples or naked skin. Literally nothing human about it, just a flavour text. It's literally how creatures breed in Spore, it's a feature to earn more colonists, not for sexual gratification.

For the same reason, excessive cruelty and absurde things are taken more lighty in Rimworld setting, such as torture, organ harvesting, etc. There's no link between stupid top-down 2d models and the real world. The same goes for Worms franchise, Lemmings and many others games and even cartoon series.

KCD on the hand is high detailed graphics, is voiced, has romantic cliches, the slow burning, the romantic tropes. It's INTENDED to give you romantic and perhaps sexual gratification.

IIRC EA changed The Sims 4 romance between teenagers for the same reason. It's very relatable.

Wow thats a lotta words too bad im not readin em! Report those filthy 30 years old teenagers to Wakanda emissary!

[=(e)= Lemonater47]

You're all idiots.

They said back in the first game that they aged him up compared to the real life figure he was based on. The real "Hans Capon" (Jan of Pirtstien) would have likely been 15 in 1403. The Real Hanush ruled over his possessions until Hans was 24 in reality. In 1412.

The Developers just put the dates they had because they're going over historical context in those codex pages.

Hans Capon in the first games was in his 20s. As the devs said even back then that they aged him up.

[Lying Sack Of Fun]

Just thought I'd add this context. I may be attacked for it but I think it would help end silly arguments. The anime character loli is depicted as a child and the reason it isn't CP is because lore says she's not a child.

Hans Capon is depicted as an adult but lore says he's a child. Maybe this will help someone. Seriously, you can look up loli.

[Kono JoJo Da]

It is just an optional scene, players don't care

[ChuTheMan]

Originally posted by Mumblez:

Originally posted by ChuTheMan:

so pedophilia is okay as long as it doesnt show sexual stuff?
that's a weird way to defend pedophilia.

so you dont mind for example a book that is purely about it? since there will be no graphic depections of it?

I'm saying as FAR as laws are concerned, it being graphic is a huge element. Its not a pornographic scene in rimworld, its literally 2 pawns coming into adjacent tiles in beds, little heart icons floating, and them getting a high mood buff / pregnancy chance. The pawns don't even have nipples, butts, genitals, ect. They are skin colored potatos basically, lacking any sexual definition visually

But this game GRAPHICALLY depicts the nudity, very clearly, which many courts would count as CP.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_status_of_fictional_pornography_depicting_minors
under the america part, which is a long text.

to give you one of the more important lines:
"On a federal level, works depicting minors that offend contemporary community standards and are "patently offensive" while lacking "serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value"—that is, found to be "obscene" in a court of law—continue to stand as illegal, but only if the conditions for obscenity discussed above are met"

"Due to the fact that United States obscenity law determines what is obscene in a court of law in reference to local standards and definitions exclusively on a state-by-state, case-by-case basis, the legality of drawn or fictitious pornography depicting minors is ultimately left in a 'gray area', much like other forms of alternative pornography."

"Some states pay less mind to the contents of such materials and determine obscenity based on time and place an offense may occur, while others may have strict, well-defined standards for what a community may be allowed to find appropriate. Others only may have vague laws or definitions which are only used to allow the government to prosecute recidivist offenders on both a federal and state level."

so it will not be just an open and shut case in USA. and it would be argued that since its depicting life in a year where 15 were seen as being adult, not to mention hans do not look like a kid, can make it more muddy in a court. (just like having a 30 year old that looks like a 10 year old can also be aruged to be CP even if the character is 30)