KCD 2 Makes Back Cost of Development on Day 1

[OldWhovian.YTTV]

https://gamerant.com/kingdom-come-deliverance-2-profit-first-day/

Warhorse has announced that the game made back its entire cost of development in the day 1 sales alone; this on top of a 91% positive review rate...

Go Woke, Bring Hope bby! An absolute banger of a game takes home a massive W!

Sleepers and Chuds are absolutely malding

Edit: Please note, H-Foundry PIXIV is a liar. They make false accusations and then refuse to provide evidence.

[NotAfan]

İlk olarak H-Foundry PIXIV tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak Laurykat tarafından gönderildi:

I can't fault anyone for being ignorant in Geoeconomics, I'm here to educate.

Warhorse Studios is based on Czech republic, where the median yearly salary of a gamedev/engineer is ~600,000 Czech Crowns ($24,600).

Now it's understandable that as usual for people overseas, you can't understand how anything could possibly be different from America, and you know, or heard that the median salary of an American gamedev/engineer is x4 (around $100,000). This is causing you to be a victim of the Dunning-Kruger effect to firmly believe that you are right about what you say because "Only a very gullible person would believe that's possible for the scope of this game, more staff, 5+ years development time and inflation hurr durr".


But what I said is common amongst all staff costs, so while technically a game like KCD2 would cost something like $120-$140 million to make in the US, it was only about ~$35 millon for a studio in the Czech Republic.

Make the math, genius, at a 200 person staff (which is more than Warhorse had as fulltime employees during 5 years) the cost for 5-year salaries would have been ~$25million. Add material, marketing, promotions, yadda yadda. All matches.

Now that you've been lectured, take the W and enjoy being a better version of yourself for the rest of your life.

Why are you acting like both games weren't made in the Czech? It's not like one game was made in one country with different salaries etc. Both games budgets are converted into US dollars for easier understanding.

Part 1's budget was $36.5m.

Part 2's budget was (claimed in the link) to be $40m.

You're claiming the budget for part 2 is $32,8m - $36,9m.

Budgets for a sequel to a successful game don't shrink! You actually think it's a smaller budget than part 1? Especially when we know this is larger scope game is larger, with more employees and a 5+ year development time, and inflation. Who actually believes that. . . lol.

Shh, Hentai-Foundry, the grown ups are doing the actual math with the actual numbers taken from actual sources and employing actual knowledge and common sense. You can speak again after you take the test and prove you can grasp these concepts, okay, sweetie?

Oh, also, "game sequel, number go bigger" is not the gotcha you think it is.

[H-Foundry PIXIV]

İlk olarak NotAfan tarafından gönderildi:

Shh, Hentai-Foundry, the grown ups are doing the actual math with the actual numbers taken from actual sources and employing actual knowledge and common sense. You can speak again after you take the test and prove you can grasp these concepts, okay, sweetie?

His numbers don't align with reality. It's a traditional to see budgets for a sequel to a successful game to go up, sometimes over 2x. Quick example:

Horizon: Zero Dawn (part 1) "Cost a Reported €45 Million to Make"
Horizon Forbidden West (part 2) "Budget Reportedly Exceeded $100M"

But we're led to believe this one, not only was just marginally higher, but actually shrunk, just so you can make "break-even on day" claim fit. Fanboys like you will alter reality to fit their worldview. The funny thing is the link I provided gave the budget at $40, and that is already a low-ball number that you should be happy about, but it wasn't good enough for you guys and you need it lower lol. Lower than part 1's budget.

[Googledebunker]

İlk olarak H-Foundry PIXIV tarafından gönderildi:

The guy listed it koruna and you had to translate the link[www.seznamzpravy.cz].
"cost about a billion crowns", that's $40m.

So you're using a dubious "source" with a translation that may or may not be 100% accurate.

İlk olarak H-Foundry PIXIV tarafından gönderildi:

They claim 1m for day 1. Do you even know what the thread's OP link says?

I read it, did you?

"The news hardly came as a surprise to many fans, as Warhorse Studios recently confirmed that Kingdom Come: Deliverance 2 sold over one million copies on launch day"

İlk olarak H-Foundry PIXIV tarafından gönderildi:

Do you doubt Steam/Consoles take 30%? Google it.

I do doubt it. I don't need evidence to have doubts. It's up to you to prove it.

İlk olarak H-Foundry PIXIV tarafından gönderildi:

Are you positive they do? Just keep throwing random variables in then ask me to prove a negative lel.

So you don't like to be held to the same standard you impose on others. I am already aware of that, which is why all of your claims are dubious. Per your own standards it is up to you to provide evidence to support your claims, which you have not done.

It's safe to say that you are out of your depth, and floundering to find any point to latch on to, but when push comes to shove you aren't capable of answering even the easiest of questions without immediately contradicting yourself.

[NotAfan]

İlk olarak H-Foundry PIXIV tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak NotAfan tarafından gönderildi:

Shh, Hentai-Foundry, the grown ups are doing the actual math with the actual numbers taken from actual sources and employing actual knowledge and common sense. You can speak again after you take the test and prove you can grasp these concepts, okay, sweetie?

His numbers don't align with reality. It's a traditional to see budgets for a sequel to a successful game to go up, sometimes over 2x. Quick example:

Horizon: Zero Dawn (part 1) "Cost a Reported €45 Million to Make"
Horizon Forbidden West (part 2) "Budget Reportedly Exceeded $100M"

But we're led to believe this one, not only was just marginally higher, but actually shrunk, just so you can make "break-even on day" claim fit. Fanboys like you will alter reality to fit their worldview.

Sweetie, the Horizon series and the Kingdom Come Delieverance series are two different series, made by different studios in different countries! Not only that, they are different in scope and investment. You do comprehend not all games need to cost the same to make everywhere, right, hun? Like, you grasp the concept that different things are different things, we've been over this!
Do we need to go back to drawing board?

[H-Foundry PIXIV]

İlk olarak Avatar of Prince Cera tarafından gönderildi:

So you're using a dubious "source" with a translation that may or may not be 100% accurate.

The claim is dubious for sure.

The source can just be repeating what they're told by Warhorse Studios (the dubious party).

İlk olarak H-Foundry PIXIV tarafından gönderildi:

They claim 1m for day 1. Do you even know what the thread's OP link says?

I read it, did you?[/quote]
Yes. They claim 1m for day 1. You asked for the number did you not?

İlk olarak Avatar of Prince Cera tarafından gönderildi:

I do doubt it. I don't need evidence to have doubts. It's up to you to prove it.

google steam 30% cut.

If you can't even do that than I can't help you. Is there any particular reason why you think it's fake news? That's quite a bold claim. Since you're so sure do you want to bet?

Watch him angry post.

İlk olarak Avatar of Prince Cera tarafından gönderildi:

So you don't like to be held to the same standard you impose on others. I am already aware of that, which is why all of your claims are dubious. Per your own standards it is up to you to provide evidence to support your claims, which you have not done.

Doubting a dubious claim requires no evidence, especially if the dubious claim is suspicious at face value.

It's like seeing an anomaly on a tax return. Do you need evidence before it becomes suspicious?

İlk olarak Avatar of Prince Cera tarafından gönderildi:

It's safe to say that you are out of your depth, and floundering to find any point to latch on to, but when push comes to shove you aren't capable of answering even the easiest of questions without immediately contradicting yourself.

You asked questions and I answered them.

[NotAfan]

İlk olarak H-Foundry PIXIV tarafından gönderildi:

It's like seeing an anomaly on a tax return. Do you need evidence before it becomes suspicious?

Yes, you do, because otherwise the government won't return your taxes, no matter how much you say you think it's suspicious.

[H-Foundry PIXIV]

İlk olarak NotAfan tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak H-Foundry PIXIV tarafından gönderildi:

His numbers don't align with reality. It's a traditional to see budgets for a sequel to a successful game to go up, sometimes over 2x. Quick example:

Horizon: Zero Dawn (part 1) "Cost a Reported €45 Million to Make"
Horizon Forbidden West (part 2) "Budget Reportedly Exceeded $100M"

But we're led to believe this one, not only was just marginally higher, but actually shrunk, just so you can make "break-even on day" claim fit. Fanboys like you will alter reality to fit their worldview.

Sweetie, the Horizon series and the Kingdom Come Delieverance series are two different series, made by different studios in different countries! Not only that, they are different in scope and investment. You do comprehend not all games need to cost the same to make everywhere, right, hun? Like, you grasp the concept that different things are different things, we've been over this!
Do we need to go back to drawing board?

You do understand the point was to show budgets traditionally go up for game sequels following a successful first entry. That's what it's showing. Lots more examples. That's the trend being shown.

But you're claiming it's a controversial opinion and they actually shrink? and that's the standard?

İlk olarak NotAfan tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak H-Foundry PIXIV tarafından gönderildi:

It's like seeing an anomaly on a tax return. Do you need evidence before it becomes suspicious?

Yes, you do, because otherwise the government won't return your taxes, no matter how much you say you think it's suspicious.

If they don't see anything (an anomaly) to cause the suspicion (i.e. "hang on, this doesn't add up") why would they withold your taxes?

[NotAfan]

İlk olarak H-Foundry PIXIV tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak NotAfan tarafından gönderildi:

Sweetie, the Horizon series and the Kingdom Come Delieverance series are two different series, made by different studios in different countries! Not only that, they are different in scope and investment. You do comprehend not all games need to cost the same to make everywhere, right, hun? Like, you grasp the concept that different things are different things, we've been over this!
Do we need to go back to drawing board?

You do understand the point was to show budgets traditionally go up for game sequels following a successful first entry. That's what it's showing. Lots more examples. That's the trend being shown.

But you're claiming it's a controversial opinion and they actually shrink? and that's the standard?

Sweetie, "sequel number go up" is not an argument. Just because it happens for one thing does not mean it has to happen for another necessarily, especially when you're talking about things that are different from each other. Repeat after me: KCD and HZD are different things. They do not have the same budgets, the same staff, the same investment, the same expectation for sales, not even the same game engines. They. Are. Different. Products. The only thing they are the same is in that they are games.
Are you capable of understanding this incredibly basic concept? Do you understand KCD does not have to cost the same as HZD? Do you understand there's no rule in the universe saying a sequel should cost twice as much? Do you? Like, can you conceive it?

[H-Foundry PIXIV]

İlk olarak NotAfan tarafından gönderildi:

Sweetie, "sequel number go up" is not an argument. Just because it happens for one thing does not mean it has to happen for another necessarily, especially when you're talking about things that are different from each other.

Repeat after me: KCD and HZD are different things. They do not have the same budgets, the same staff, the same investment, the same expectation for sales, not even the same game engines. They. Are. Different. Products. The only thing they are the same is in that they are games.

There's no logical reason to believe the development budget for part 2 actually shrunk! and was smaller than part 1.

When all industry trends show the opposite. But you're doubling down on a dead end lol.

I see you avoided a lot of my points, when you were complaining I don't answer yours. Cute. I guess you don't want to talk about that steam 30% anymore. Also where's your friend defending the shrunk numbers? He just disappeared.

[Googledebunker]

İlk olarak H-Foundry PIXIV tarafından gönderildi:

The claim is dubious for sure.

The source can just be repeating what they're told by Warhorse Studios (the dubious party).

So why are you using it like it's a reliable source? You already contradicted yourself by using it as a source, when there is no evidence that what they claim is reliable. Prove that the site you keep linking is actually reliable.

İlk olarak H-Foundry PIXIV tarafından gönderildi:

Yes. They claim 1m for day 1. You asked for the number did you not?

You forgot to include the quote I provided from the article that states they sold OVER 1 million copies day 1. You do know that "over" means "more than" right? So how many MORE copies over a million did they sell?

İlk olarak H-Foundry PIXIV tarafından gönderildi:

google steam 30% cut.

If you can't even do that than I can't help you. Is there any particular reason why you think it's fake news? That's quite a bold claim. Since you're so sure do you want to bet?

Watch him angry post.

Just googled it, and it's not always 30% for example games developed by Valve don't have 30% of their profits taken by Steam, so you're wrong, no need for you to lose any money over your gambling addiction :)

İlk olarak H-Foundry PIXIV tarafından gönderildi:

Doubting a dubious claim requires no evidence, especially if the dubious claim is suspicious at face value.

I will refer to another contradictory quote from you earlier:

İlk olarak H-Foundry PIXIV tarafından gönderildi:

If you can't even do that than I can't help you. Is there any particular reason why you think it's fake news? That's quite a bold claim. Since you're so sure do you want to bet?

Pretty laughable that you can't provide any evidence while trying to claim that I am required to provide evidence for your own unsupported and dubious claims, again you can't even hold yourself to your own standards, so your attempts to hold others to a higher standard than you are willing to achieve is hilarious.

İlk olarak H-Foundry PIXIV tarafından gönderildi:

You asked questions and I answered them.

No, you made excuses, and made every effort to avoid answering any questions. I asked for evidence, and you have provided nothing.

At this point it's easy to see that this is just you attention seeking since you aren't able to provide evidence or answer any questions. Good luck with your pity party with your child grooming Loli friend!

[H-Foundry PIXIV]

İlk olarak NotAfan tarafından gönderildi:

Are you capable of understanding this incredibly basic concept? Do you understand KCD does not have to cost the same as HZD? Do you understand there's no rule in the universe saying a sequel should cost twice as much? Do you? Like, can you conceive it?

No game dev is immune to rising costs due to taking on larger projects for sequels. That's why they set the budgets higher for a sequel to a successful first game. It's a very strong trend in the industry.

I have never seen one actually shrink their budget whilst employ more people, longer development time, etc in the same economic environment.

İlk olarak Avatar of Prince Cera tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak H-Foundry PIXIV tarafından gönderildi:

The claim is dubious for sure.
The source can just be repeating what they're told by Warhorse Studios (the dubious party).

So why are you using it like it's a reliable source?

Using a source doesn't affirm it's reliability if the purpose is to cast doubt on it.

It's like someone making a statement full of bluster and you saying I can't reference them to repeat what they said to other people.

In fact you should be glad I'm using it, because 40m is a very low-ball number for the budget and makes look the sales as good as possible. Any lower and it will be part 1's budget which is absurd. Any higher and it's only increasing the doubt to the break even claim.

İlk olarak Avatar of Prince Cera tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak H-Foundry PIXIV tarafından gönderildi:

Yes. They claim 1m for day 1. You asked for the number did you not?

You forgot to include the quote I provided from the article that states they sold OVER 1 million copies day 1.

Yes that sounds like 1m is fine as a ballpark range. Day 1 1m.

Here's the quote from the link I posted:

The medieval RPG Kingdom Come: Deliverance II sold hundreds of thousands to a million copies of the Warhorse game studio on the first day after its release.

İlk olarak Avatar of Prince Cera tarafından gönderildi:

You do know that "over" means "more than" right? So how many MORE copies over a million did they sell?

Why do you think I have the exact figures lol. The above quote says "to a million". Do you have a point? This some solid gotcha you got?

İlk olarak Avatar of Prince Cera tarafından gönderildi:

Just googled it, and it's not always 30% for example games developed by Valve don't have 30% of their profits taken by Steam, so you're wrong, no need for you to lose any money over your gambling addiction :)

Nice try but the claim wasn't always, it was "Steam takes 30%", which they do. A phrase that's not controversial or incorrect, unless you want to be Pedantic.

"bu-but Valve (which created Steam) don't do it so Steam doesn't take 30%." lol

İlk olarak Avatar of Prince Cera tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak H-Foundry PIXIV tarafından gönderildi:

Doubting a dubious claim requires no evidence, especially if the dubious claim is suspicious at face value.

I will refer to another contradictory quote from you earlier:

İlk olarak H-Foundry PIXIV tarafından gönderildi:

If you can't even do that than I can't help you. Is there any particular reason why you think it's fake news? That's quite a bold claim. Since you're so sure do you want to bet?

Pretty laughable that you can't provide any evidence while trying to claim that I am required to provide evidence for your own unsupported and dubious claims, again you can't even hold yourself to your own standards, so your attempts to hold others to a higher standard than you are willing to achieve is hilarious.

You're the one doubting me saying Steam takes 30%. Even call it unsupported and dubious hhh. How am I having double standards here? Was I wrong? No. Then you have no point.

[NotAfan]

It's pointless, you're incapable of understanding basic premises about reality. You just really need to believe this game is actually a failure in desguise and the devs lied (despite that being a crime known as "fraud" by misleading shareholders).
You don't know how anything works and you don't care to learn or actually Google something. It's like talking to a child, which would make you the perfect partner for the gooner a few pages back. Go back to watching hentai, you're out of your depth.

[LeHappiste]

What about the cost of the massive marketing campaign tho?
Ads about it everywhere, every reviewer paid and even anti-woke youtubers paid to defend the game.
I bet the marketing budget was higher than the development budget.

[LeHappiste]

İlk olarak H-Foundry PIXIV tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak Loli Supremacy tarafından gönderildi:

That's what the dips in the stats page are for. But it hasn't gone above 300k the entire time this game has been out, even on a weekend, which is absolutely pathetic for a new game. That just proves this game flopped LMAO.

250k concurrent player is about right for the 1m+ sales.

The way this game flops is if the budget wasn't really 40m but higher. Because they now need 2.5-3million if the buget was 80+m (including marketing then steam/console taking their 30% cut).

It's obvious it's much higher as 40 millions was the budget for KCD1.
KCD2 is probably above 100 millions if including marketing budget.
But anyway it will eventually sell several millions copies over the years.

[H-Foundry PIXIV]

İlk olarak LeHappiste tarafından gönderildi:

What about the cost of the massive marketing campaign tho?
Ads about it everywhere, every reviewer paid and even anti-woke youtubers paid to defend the game.
I bet the marketing budget was higher than the development budget.

Indeed. But these guys call us detached from reality, don't know how anything works etc. All empty posting declarations but no substance.

They actually believe the budget shrunk and is smaller than KCD1.