Kingdom Come: Deliverance II

Kingdom Come: Deliverance II

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Ya'll realize some gay people are closeted, right?
It's extremely common for gay people to be in hetero relationships for any number of reasons. Personal safety, haven't come to terms with themselves, still exploring ect. Just because someone hasn't said they're gay or been in a gay relationship doesn't mean they aren't gay.

Additionally god fearing Christians can be gay too. Your religion has absolutely no impact on what your sexuality is. It only effects your experience with being that sexuality.

And so many of you are upset that they didn't explicitly state that there are gay characters in this game yet I can't think of a single game that has ever explicitly announced that a character is straight in the lead up to it's launch. Meanwhile LGBT people have had to deal with queer coding for decades.
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Not my problem.
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Yes, I find that to be important to do, so I do it.
Even if a single random person learns from it, I've contributed...

Learn what? Pseudo-neutral takes on why transtreatment bad? Preach about gays who don't get kids or contribute being accused of being waste of resources? On Steam forums? Bruh.
it's not a pseudo-neutral take, it's based upon real research that took me years to learn... Will I write an article about it? No, I'm not from the field, which doesn't remove my ability to properly study it, anyone has that really, but to publish under bureaucratic academical clubs one must have a document acquired through (most times) paying a fortune for years so someone says: "this guys' based" - mind you that you must hold the document for that very specific niche of study, otherwise it's also "not valid"

I already answered about the other question, but let's indulge, if you refuse to contribute with either raising other humans & at the same time improving life for other humans, you are a piece of sh*t, there's no escaping that fact, and as a result that makes one a waste of resources, useless to the brim. That's why living for entertainment has always been considered evil by religions, remember that religions are the first model of science, one doesn't exist without the other. That also doesn't mean that intolerance about it must be enacted, simply means that if one stirs away from the path, we should help them get back to it.
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Yes, I find that to be important to do, so I do it.
Even if a single random person learns from it, I've contributed...

Learn what? Pseudo-neutral takes on why transtreatment bad? Preach about gays who don't get kids or contribute being accused of being waste of resources? On Steam forums? Bruh.

Many gay people adopt kids which does contribute to society. Also, many gay people choose for several reasons to procreate. In my case it was because I was still in denial and I'm technically bisexual.
That said, when my wife got pregnant and her boobs started growing, that was when I really started facing the fact that I wasn't being honest with myself. And the sight of her vaginal region seriously disgusted me. I don't know how I kept from throwing up.
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Learn what? Pseudo-neutral takes on why transtreatment bad? Preach about gays who don't get kids or contribute being accused of being waste of resources? On Steam forums? Bruh.

Many gay people adopt kids which does contribute to society. Also, many gay people choose for several reasons to procreate. In my case it was because I was still in denial and I'm technically bisexual.
That said, when my wife got pregnant and her boobs started growing, that was when I really started facing the fact that I wasn't being honest with myself. And the sight of her vaginal region seriously disgusted me. I don't know how I kept from throwing up.
thank you :falloutcute:

PS: all of that while suffering strong prejudice from LGBTQ+ community, my sister is bi... I know...
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It's extremely common for gay people to be in hetero relationships for any number of reasons. Personal safety, haven't come to terms with themselves, still exploring ect. Just because someone hasn't said they're gay or been in a gay relationship doesn't mean they aren't gay.

Additionally god fearing Christians can be gay too. Your religion has absolutely no impact on what your sexuality is. It only effects your experience with being that sexuality.

And so many of you are upset that they didn't explicitly state that there are gay characters in this game yet I can't think of a single game that has ever explicitly announced that a character is straight in the lead up to it's launch. Meanwhile LGBT people have had to deal with queer coding for decades.

Excellent points, thank you. They bear repeating.

A lot more people are fed up with the bigots on here but just aren't as loud. The bigots are incessant and they spend all their time here because they are incapable of enjoying this masterpiece of a game. In fact I'm certain many of the white supremacists who invaded the forum from 4Chan and The D.S. are not gamers at all. Hateful people have a diminished capacity for joy so they go ever further down the hole of anger and hate.

Certain others I almost want to feel sorry for. Many homophobes are frustrated, self-loathing gay people. We know this through the countless times we have seen the most vicious homophobes outed and "disgraced" among their fellow hate mongers. To be self-repressed like that when it's no longer necessary in much of the world is really quite sad.
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Ursprünglich geschrieben von (ADORA)ble 🌈👊:
It's extremely common for gay people to be in hetero relationships for any number of reasons. Personal safety, haven't come to terms with themselves, still exploring ect. Just because someone hasn't said they're gay or been in a gay relationship doesn't mean they aren't gay.

Additionally god fearing Christians can be gay too. Your religion has absolutely no impact on what your sexuality is. It only effects your experience with being that sexuality.

And so many of you are upset that they didn't explicitly state that there are gay characters in this game yet I can't think of a single game that has ever explicitly announced that a character is straight in the lead up to it's launch. Meanwhile LGBT people have had to deal with queer coding for decades.

Excellent points, thank you. They bear repeating.

A lot more people are fed up with the bigots on here but just aren't as loud. The bigots are incessant and they spend all their time here because they are incapable of enjoying this masterpiece of a game. In fact I'm certain many of the white supremacists who invaded the forum from 4Chan and The D.S. are not gamers at all. Hateful people have a diminished capacity for joy so they go ever further down the hole of anger and hate.

Certain others I almost want to feel sorry for. Many homophobes are frustrated, self-loathing gay people. We know this through the countless times we have seen the most vicious homophobes outed and "disgraced" among their fellow hate mongers. To be self-repressed like that when it's no longer necessary in much of the world is really quite sad.
Thank you! I'm having so much fun with the game. Haven't been this immersed in ages.
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Ursprünglich geschrieben von (ADORA)ble 🌈👊:
It's extremely common for gay people to be in hetero relationships for any number of reasons. Personal safety, haven't come to terms with themselves, still exploring ect. Just because someone hasn't said they're gay or been in a gay relationship doesn't mean they aren't gay.

Additionally god fearing Christians can be gay too. Your religion has absolutely no impact on what your sexuality is. It only effects your experience with being that sexuality.

And so many of you are upset that they didn't explicitly state that there are gay characters in this game yet I can't think of a single game that has ever explicitly announced that a character is straight in the lead up to it's launch. Meanwhile LGBT people have had to deal with queer coding for decades.

Excellent points, thank you. They bear repeating.

A lot more people are fed up with the bigots on here but just aren't as loud. The bigots are incessant and they spend all their time here because they are incapable of enjoying this masterpiece of a game. In fact I'm certain many of the white supremacists who invaded the forum from 4Chan and The D.S. are not gamers at all. Hateful people have a diminished capacity for joy so they go ever further down the hole of anger and hate.

Certain others I almost want to feel sorry for. Many homophobes are frustrated, self-loathing gay people. We know this through the countless times we have seen the most vicious homophobes outed and "disgraced" among their fellow hate mongers. To be self-repressed like that when it's no longer necessary in much of the world is really quite sad.
it goes far beyond what was mentioned about the religion part.

But that is a subject I'd have to be less burnt from arguing with clueless political flocks to delve into because it is very complex, as such requires layers of explanation. The sum of it is that being gay, although a sin under Catholicism, for instance, it isn't prohibited. It's the same as any regular person smoking cigarrettes or being a XXX addict, with the caveat that gay people cannot choose. What I was flapping about earlier, is the best answer in such cases which's, despite my sin I help others, and done, nobody would condemn you if they really follow the teachings, for instance... They'd also accept you as you are, it's a basic principle that is tirelessly remarked within the texts...
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it's not a pseudo-neutral take, it's based upon real research that took me years to learn... Will I write an article about it? No, I'm not from the field, which doesn't remove my ability to properly study it, anyone has that really, but to publish under bureaucratic academical clubs one must have a document acquired through (most times) paying a fortune for years so someone says: "this guys' based" - mind you that you must hold the document for that very specific niche of study, otherwise it's also "not valid"

I already answered about the other question, but let's indulge, if you refuse to contribute with either raising other humans & at the same time improving life for other humans, you are a piece of sh*t, there's no escaping that fact, and as a result that makes one a waste of resources, useless to the brim. That's why living for entertainment has always been considered evil by religions, remember that religions are the first model of science, one doesn't exist without the other. That also doesn't mean that intolerance about it must be enacted, simply means that if one stirs away from the path, we should help them get back to it.

Brother, this is direct quote from you:

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If wokeism doesn't get extinguished soon enough, it will be responsible for generating a new spawn of Mustache Man, and that's where I draw the line, if you might cause the resurgence of a genocidal regime, well, I have to stop you. And you also must understand that if that happens, you are the responsible, not the bigots, nor the normal people, because at that point you have managed to make the majority of the population so emotional, they themselves get lost in reason and start supporting psychopaths blindly.

Should there be a genocidal maniac on the loose, you're literally blaming the "woke" (whatever it means) - and people like "me" (I'm not apparently "normal") would be "responsible". No, not the genocidal person him/herself, not the people who are FOR genocide, the "woke". For all your pseudo-intellectualism that you "teach" as completely off-topic you have some unhinged takes.
unfortunately that's how socio-anthropological history has always worked, for some reason. The harder something is pushed, the worse the backlash becomes to a point that it single-handedly generates completely insane people who commit atrocities. It's either finding a common ground, or risking (increasing chances the longer it extends for) having to deal with maniacs being given power.

Finding a common ground isn't hard, all it takes is controlling your emotions and navigating the issues through analytical and logical thinking, you won't get what "feels" right, you'll get closer to what is right... Really, I fail to understand how people don't see those patterns when studying history. I've first noticed this I was a teen in highschool.... I mean....
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unfortunately that's how socio-anthropological history has always worked, for some reason. The harder something is pushed, the worse the backlash becomes to a point that it single-handedly generates completely insane people who commit atrocities. It's either finding a common ground, or risking (increasing chances the longer it extends for) having to deal with maniacs being given power.

Finding a common ground isn't hard, all it takes is controlling your emotions and navigating the issues through analytical and logical thinking, you won't get what "feels" right, you'll get closer to what is right... Really, I fail to understand how people don't see those patterns when studying history. I've first noticed this I was a teen in highschool.... I mean....

What would be the magical "common ground" that isn't hard to find when one side doesn't see a problem with (for example) gay people while the other does? Trans people? People of other ethnicities? Environmental issues? Equal rights? Yada, yada, yada? All of these things are "woke", mind you. It doesn't even mean aggressively pushing things.

Yet, we need to "stomp out" woke according to you. I.e. that would mean we should abolish any right gay rights, equal rights, abortion, screw the environment etc. no?
you answered your own question. Simply taking effort to understand why the opposing side sees different, and tackling that instead of ignoring it & demonizing the opposing view.
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Ursprünglich geschrieben von (ADORA)ble 🌈👊:
It's extremely common for gay people to be in hetero relationships for any number of reasons. Personal safety, haven't come to terms with themselves, still exploring ect. Just because someone hasn't said they're gay or been in a gay relationship doesn't mean they aren't gay.

Additionally god fearing Christians can be gay too. Your religion has absolutely no impact on what your sexuality is. It only effects your experience with being that sexuality.

And so many of you are upset that they didn't explicitly state that there are gay characters in this game yet I can't think of a single game that has ever explicitly announced that a character is straight in the lead up to it's launch. Meanwhile LGBT people have had to deal with queer coding for decades.

I'll tell you the truth. People can often pretend to be of one orientation or another to get attention. In Russia, you can be anyone if you don't shout about your orientation in the street and agitate everyone to become gay. But for some reason we practically don't have them. And in countries where gays receive some kind of privileges due to the fact that they are gay, the number of gays immediately increases. And the number of men who consider themselves women in sports competitions is also increasing. However, for some reason there are no women who consider themselves men at competitions at all. Am I making myself clear?

It's like you used to have a lot of people who said they were abducted by aliens. But as soon as the fashion for flying saucers disappeared, the new victims of abduction disappeared.

If a person is gay, he knows it. This cannot be changed. If you say the opposite, you're devaluing the suffering of all gay people who were just born that way and can't do anything about it.
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I'll tell you the truth. People can often pretend to be of one orientation or another to get attention. In Russia, you can be anyone if you don't shout about your orientation in the street and agitate everyone to become gay. But for some reason we practically don't have them.

Oh gee, I wonder why. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBTQ_rights_in_Russia
Could it be that they're... closeted?

I live in Moscow. And there are gay bars and places where they gather. One more time. You can't shout in the street that you're gay and try to agitate people and children to become gay too. We have Chechnya, where Muslims live, and they have very strict traditions, but they are just as strict in all Muslim countries. In some cases, homosexuality is punishable by death.
Warhorse have repeatedly and explicitly stated that Hans and Henry are heterosexual. It's in tweets and it's in interviews.

Then they are acquired by Swedish Embracer Group in 2021 and suddenly not only are they gay, freaking Mansa Musa himself shows up in northern Europe. What a joke. Completely anti-historical. And again a complete 180 reversal from Warhorse' own statements about the importance of historicity.
Ursprünglich geschrieben von (ADORA)ble 🌈👊:
It's extremely common for gay people to be in hetero relationships for any number of reasons. Personal safety, haven't come to terms with themselves, still exploring ect. Just because someone hasn't said they're gay or been in a gay relationship doesn't mean they aren't gay.

Additionally god fearing Christians can be gay too. Your religion has absolutely no impact on what your sexuality is. It only effects your experience with being that sexuality.

And so many of you are upset that they didn't explicitly state that there are gay characters in this game yet I can't think of a single game that has ever explicitly announced that a character is straight in the lead up to it's launch. Meanwhile LGBT people have had to deal with queer coding for decades.
Yes, there is allways an elementary difference between what someone IS and how does someone ACT. Everyone sometimes experiences that they behave different from what they feel is true to them. And everyone is learing about themselves and also changing their whole life.
And it is never really possible to KNOW who the people ARE, we can just see how they behave and listen what they say. And even if they say something, it may not be what they actually feel. No matter if they say they are gay, trans or straight, if they say they believe in God or if they are atheists, whether they love their country or their community, or just anything else they may be saying in any other matter. Who knows.
It may be a confirmation of the closeted Henry you describe, but also maybe half of the lgbtq people are actually straight and you will never find out.
There is no way to know. This is why it is said you should leave any judgements to God.
And yes, this for me is one of the reasons why I find Henry's options for the KCD2 consistent with what he behave like and said in the first one.
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you answered your own question. Simply taking effort to understand why the opposing side sees different, and tackling that instead of ignoring it & demonizing the opposing view.

So you have a literal non-answer. Great.
If you have a subset of people who will settle for no less than making gays illegal, women subservient and so on and so forth: There's quite no room for middle ground.
do you understand why there are people who hate gay?

if you want to understand my view, as in, what I defend and am representing, Mikhail Bakunin, Collectivist / Collectivism - go read.

PS: If you don't make the effort to find the answers you seek, and instead complain about others not providing such answers for you, you become part of the problem automatically.
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So you have a literal non-answer. Great.
If you have a subset of people who will settle for no less than making gays illegal, women subservient and so on and so forth: There's quite no room for middle ground.
do you understand why there are people who hate gay?

if you want to understand my view, as in, what I defend and am representing, Mikhail Bakunin, Collectivist / Collectivism - go read.

PS: If you don't make the effort to find the answers you seek, and instead complain about others not providing such answers for you, you become part of the problem automatically.

I expect people to be able to argue their points and views directly and not say "go read a book or you're part of the problem". Now THAT is being part of the problem. It's one thing to not bother providing simple look up that takes one second in a search engine to confirm (common knowledge and whatnot) but anytime you're instructed to read a book or watch a 10 hour video essay to provide the points for you, yeah, not going to happen. Nobody is going to humour such things.

But whatever, this is off-topic nonsense and I have no idea why you use KCD2 Steam forums as your vehicle to ramble on about this. I've had enough of these unhinged forums with all the unhinged takes for a long while, so have a good one.
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