Why'd you make combat more basic than Skyrim? seriously...

[Holy Athena]

KCD1 was a gem because it took time to learn the combat.. There was a real difference between "I know how to hold a sword" and "I have mastered" the game.

Granted leveling up and getting skills could bring that rift closer together. Some things were just impossible to do no matter how mastered in the game you were without some specific combat skills or perks, but still it made the character feel that much more real.
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Now? stand there and wait for green shield.. Press RMB, Press LMB right after with the blue crossed weapons that will always show up regardless making that whole mechanic stupid to begin with, Auto win every single fight in the game because of the brain rot easy riposte/counter system.

GG.

Literally as basic as skyrim. One could argue that on harder difficulties of Skyrim its actually more basic because you don't have to manage and juggle magic buffs, and potions mid fight for 10 minutes.


WHY?!

Edit: I have a feeling people are gonna be like "BuT yoU CoUlD Do ThaT In ThE OtHEr GaME!!" No you couldn't, until super late game. Ripose/counters worked very different and you had to know how to play the game, and work the combat system to really manage it well, and it left you open to attacks if you didn't do it right.

Now its as simple as. do nothing, press button when green shield appear. Auto win the whole game.

[MaSeKind]

You must not be very far into the game. Combat is still as difficult as the first one. Wait till you run into multiple enemies. And if you're looking for an ingame reasons, Henry isn't the noob he was in 1, he actually knows how to fight. Not like that means much as I've gotten my ass kicked just as badly as in the first. Enemies at the start aren't very strong as you'd expect from the starting area

[Roaming Zombie]

WTF are you talking about. Besides some minor improvements it is the exact same system as kcd1. And nothing gets more basic than Skryim melee combat.

[Caldrin]

Would have been nice to have the option for the old system as well.. but I know a lot of people just could not get into it at all so i think they wanted to try and cater to those people as well..

it does get harder when you really get into the game tho.

[Holy Athena]

Originally posted by MaSeKind:

You must not be very far into the game. Combat is still as difficult as the first one. Wait till you run into multiple enemies. And if you're looking for an ingame reasons, Henry isn't the noob he was in 1, he actually knows how to fight. Not like that means much as I've gotten my ass kicked just as badly as in the first. Enemies at the start aren't very strong as you'd expect from the starting area

I've already fought multiple enemies, the only different is now you just kite backwards and wait for green shield.

Doesn't matter how strong the enemies get. Wait for green shield, RMB + LMB, auto win.

yes sometimes they'll counter your counter, and yes sometimes you'll get into a counter trade off until you're out of stamina.. but then you just back off and wait again... combat is literally nothing more than counter the counter, that he countered when you countered to finally hit him, and its brain rot easy to do. Doesn't matter how tough the enemies are chief.

[Holy Athena]

Originally posted by Roaming Zombie:

WTF are you talking about. Besides some minor improvements it is the exact same system as kcd1. And nothing gets more basic than Skryim melee combat.

It's really not though. They changed a fundementally large part of the combat system to simplify it, and made countering obscenely easy to do compared to the first one, while making it so OP its all you have to do to auto win every fight.

[MaSeKind]

Originally posted by Holy Athena:

Originally posted by MaSeKind:

You must not be very far into the game. Combat is still as difficult as the first one. Wait till you run into multiple enemies. And if you're looking for an ingame reasons, Henry isn't the noob he was in 1, he actually knows how to fight. Not like that means much as I've gotten my ass kicked just as badly as in the first. Enemies at the start aren't very strong as you'd expect from the starting area

I've already fought multiple enemies, the only different is now you just kite backwards and wait for green shield.

Doesn't matter how strong the enemies get. Wait for green shield, RMB + LMB, auto win.

yes sometimes they'll counter your counter, and yes sometimes you'll get into a counter trade off until you're out of stamina.. but then you just back off and wait again... combat is literally nothing more than counter the counter, that he countered when you countered to finally hit him, and its brain rot easy to do. Doesn't matter how tough the enemies are chief.

You must be a god gamer then. We bow down before your epic gaming skills!

[Roaming Zombie]

Originally posted by Holy Athena:

Originally posted by Roaming Zombie:

WTF are you talking about. Besides some minor improvements it is the exact same system as kcd1. And nothing gets more basic than Skryim melee combat.

It's really not though. They changed a fundementally large part of the combat system to simplify it, and made countering obscenely easy to do compared to the first one, while making it so OP its all you have to do to auto win every fight.

Nah, I could counter just as easily in kcd1. Fighting was trivial one on one. You just had to get the timing right.

Perhaps you never learned master strikes in the first game?

[Scyriz]

Originally posted by Roaming Zombie:

WTF are you talking about. Besides some minor improvements it is the exact same system as kcd1. And nothing gets more basic than Skryim melee combat.

Skyrim also had other systems though as well to add to it, like magic, enchanting, alchemy etc. All in all the elder scrolls have a far better combat system than this game does if anything KCD is very basic and barebones. Granted Elder scrolls could use just a tad more depth to the melee combat, but the other systems that are also part of the combat just makes it vastly superiod to KCD. I mean I've watched people play both kcd 1 and 2 and the combat just looks extremly boring. It needs more to it than it has for me anyway. Plus i'm gonna be honest the stances npcs take just look stupid alot of the time to the point I can't take the games combat seriously at all. It'd be even worse if the game had 3rd person view and you'd see Henry does the same comedic stuff. No one fights like they do in KCD irl, you'd just get curb stomped.

[Bastila Shan]

It’s still difficult. Counter works for a while then you get to tougher enemies and they break through your defence. I tried the counter and then attack method and it 100% does not carry you through the game on heavily armored enemies.

[Holy Athena]

Originally posted by Bastila Shan:

It’s still difficult. Counter works for a while then you get to tougher enemies and they break through your defence. I tried the counter and then attack method and it 100% does not carry you through the game on heavily armored enemies.

It will unless you're in a part of the game you have no business being, or wearing inferior equipment or weapons.

And if the OP counter system isn't getting you through the fight, then you're seriously lacking in major stats, and nothing else is gonna be easy to win, or possible.

[Holy Athena]

Originally posted by MaSeKind:

Originally posted by Holy Athena:

I've already fought multiple enemies, the only different is now you just kite backwards and wait for green shield.

Doesn't matter how strong the enemies get. Wait for green shield, RMB + LMB, auto win.

yes sometimes they'll counter your counter, and yes sometimes you'll get into a counter trade off until you're out of stamina.. but then you just back off and wait again... combat is literally nothing more than counter the counter, that he countered when you countered to finally hit him, and its brain rot easy to do. Doesn't matter how tough the enemies are chief.

You must be a god gamer then. We bow down before your epic gaming skills!

I literally told you how to do it, and how simple it is, go be that god gamer now. Thank you for the comment though. Even though you said it I'm sure in jest, or mockery, it really wasn't, especially if you find it actually difficult..

The problem is ost people are way over thinking the combat system in KCD2. That's the problem that gets them into trouble and having difficulty with it. I did too the first hour until I realized how simple the system actually was and how OP the counter system is.

And if you find waiting for a green shield and pressing S a few times difficult, I feel sorry for how difficult your life must be irl to deal with. This combat system is far more simple than most things in life.

[Bastila Shan]

Wait how do you know to step back? How do you know they’re going bypass your block?

[MaSeKind]

Originally posted by Holy Athena:

Originally posted by MaSeKind:

You must be a god gamer then. We bow down before your epic gaming skills!

I literally told you how to do it, and how simple it is, go be that god gamer now. Thank you for the comment though. Even though you said it I'm sure in jest, or mockery, it really wasn't, especially if you find it actually difficult..

The problem is ost people are way over thinking the combat system in KCD2. That's the problem that gets them into trouble and having difficulty with it. I did too the first hour until I realized how simple the system actually was and how OP the counter system is.

And if you find waiting for a green shield and pressing S a few times difficult, I feel sorry for how difficult your life must be irl to deal with. This combat system is far more simple than most things in life.

Well I've played KCD1 twice and know the systems, killed whole camps of bandits and I'm still getting my ass kicked in this one. So you must be a god gamer. Combat is still difficult sometimes. Maybe it's because I've had some fights with higher level enemies. the easy ones have been block, riposte, win, but not everyone I've fought. Taking on 4 heavily armed bandits is definitely not that easy

[Roaming Zombie]

Probably trolling. Why else compare it to Skyrim. It is not even in the same league.