Go woke, WIN MASSIVLY!

[VOLKOV]

Or BIGLY as some would say.

#10 wishlists
#1 in sales

I guess love wins and no one cares about fake youtuber outrage and moralizing jesus freaks.

[Sleepysteve]

I am non-buynary :) We gave yall an inch and you tried to take 40 miles. Now it is a simple zero tolerance policy from me.

[Robbo]

Автор сообщения: GunSlinger

Автор сообщения: drake won

Who cares, this is a mature rated game for adults.

Yea. And adults have spoken. And said they don't want gay ♥♥♥♥ in their games.

is that why this is getting record sales, them "adults" speaking?

[Robbo]

Автор сообщения: Sleepysteve

I am non-buynary :) We gave yall an inch and you tried to take 40 miles. Now it is a simple zero tolerance policy from me.

no one believes you comrad

[Sempavor]

Автор сообщения: Sibelius

I'd say this game lost around 25-50% of it's prospective buyers due to recent developments.

No, those who make these stupid polemics would not have bought the game anyway. Someone pointed out to them the objective, and the obedient sheep attacked; now that the game is having success they will slowly be moved to attack something else to prevent the ridiculousness from reaching even higher heights.

[Chibi Life]

Автор сообщения: GunSlinger

Автор сообщения: m662

I am going to answer this as serious and respectful as possible based on what I remember of my history lessons and memory of its subject matter. But if any is really interested in the subject matter best to simply ask a historian in a respectful manner I am not one of them I dabble in history as a par time hobby.

Lets start with saying you will be surprised how warped our modern views on history are and especially on how we think people in history though about matters. Most probably here learned more in the first game about bohemian medieval times then they ever had in education. (unless you grew up and watched horrible histories) And with that I mean real history not the Hollywood fantasy.

Things get twisted with time and with the requirement to condense information further and further because attention spans are much shorter than centuries before us historic information rarely gets the treatment it should deserve. It is a absolutely sad time when a game can capture more attention for history then history itself.


So here is some partial historical information and partial interpretation regarding some of the subject the game is being accused of promoting.

In the 1400's especially in Europe there still was a lot of lenience on sodomy. Bohemia was not a exception. They did not describe any act as homosexual they had no notion of being gay those are modern terms the closed there was is sodomy as term. They did not allow marriage between two of the same sex and the church absolutely started to crack down where they could but it was still very hard for the church to do so because (and you know this if you played KCD1) the people in the church all had a different interpretation of what sinning severity really was and the higher authority had no means of quickly checking up on what was happening somewhere else or how there doctrine was executed by those they send to a region. Religious enforcement most times could only be done by high figures in the church which would take a lot of time and the church had certain pagan rituals and other religious beliefs (heresy) much higher up the list of being a problem as it directly challenged there authority then heterodoxy unless it was spread around. (also explored in KCD1)

Hench why again if you played KCD1 drinking excessively and out of marriage sex where frowned upon but rarely got people into severe trouble even if they were of the cloth. While preaching as a prophet or worse as a woman was something that got dealt with with much seriousness. Yet even then the church was at that time rather careful in dealing with such matters because it was also really easy to have false rumors spread because someone did not like someone else and did a powerplay. A lesson the church also applied around witch accusations, which where at those times unless they involved again challenging the church much lower priority then people usually think.

To modern standards we would call it a all a mock trial of course if someone was tried for any crime or sin according to the medieval standards yet in those times these matters toke weeks or even longer they toke it very serious. They did not throw the book at you unless the crime and proof was very severe or in best of interest of the church to have you dealt with no matter the cost. More so it was a big challenge if you were well known in the local community and especially if you where a lets say noble in good standing with the church or a king. You where more easily sentenced to the gallows because of thieving then for any sexual act. The one exception being zoophilic activities which was a sure fire way to end up death no matter your standing.

Repentance was also a thing because the church wanted to not vex the community it was part of. It had no iron grip over most of the community and since trades also where rarely performed by multiple people in the same place hanging for example the butcher or baker would be a a nightmare scenario. Not only for the village mind you but especially for the church because the local lord or king would absolutely demand compensation in the form of resources or simply other craftsmen of the trade. Would the church simply start killing left and right or taking out people in those positions or banishing them the local church representatives would simply suffer the consequences and the high powers in influence in that region once the local lord or king had enough and got wind of what had transpired which happened more than you think.

Because again the power structure was such that the church was maybe formally higher on enforcement of law and punishment, in practice and especially during war time it was not recognized as such by the nobles. Hence why Wenceslaus IV of Bohemia was considered a good candidate as king of the holy roman empire because he was at first popular with the people including nobility while he had openly sinned to a large extent and even protected Jan Hus for a significant time from Church and academic persecution even though that directly challenged a lot of church standards (missing his own crowning one of the worst insults a king could ever do). The church simply did not held as much power in those times as people think. It was noble family squabble that really caused most things to go absolutely wrong for people in those times. Which is the entire central plot of KCD1 and 2.

Now you can argue a king is of course going to be protected for almost anything but a peasant will not and that is true but craftsman (of which Henry is technically also one as son of a master swordsmith) where to a large degree dealt with very carefully.

Keep in mind reading was a rare ability people learned almost exclusively by watching and doing or from a apprenticeship and most likely from there father or uncle. So having the only or few of the source of a particular craftsmanship removed from the village, city dead or alive was a foolish move to do either way. You could not simply like in modern times go to a different trader unless you wanted to risk moving several kilometers extra for most types of villages and even cities which was not really a safe business to begin with if you traveled with coin especially in war times. And nothing loses you your power structure as established believe or noble faster then having your population revolt because of lack of goods.


So I see no bases why from a historical point in the game the act of what we would consider homosexual behavior in modern times would be a problem in the manner it portrait unless done openly in public. And even then if there was some form of punishment or repentance attached to it would most likely be fine as far as historical representation.

Having established some more grounded historical information. My personal opinion how ever does not agree on a part of the representation regardless.
I do not think the option (emphasized on option) is something I think adds to the game itself if we are exclusively talking about Hans Capon for the simple reason there is no record of the historic figure he is based on (Jan Ptáček of Pirkštejn) ever being accused of sodomy.

Having any other person (as long as it was not a history heavy figure) getting involved in such practice would to me be more than acceptable even frontal nudity and partial scenes with or without Henry which this game previously did not shy away from. This game is for adults and as a adult I am not simply going to feel challenged on my personal preference in and outside the bedroom just because a game portrait something I have no feelings nor need for.

But the thing even which I disagree with partial optional story direction is simply a opinion as this is not a just historical game there is creative freedom. We are warned of that at the start of the game. Thus as long as the actors involved in the presentation of the characters and the writers are comfortable with the portrayal then who are we to judge on that decision. Outsiders nothing more.

Was this game promoted as historical accurate I would have absolutely disagreed on the entire decision and not bought the game but it did not do so.

Even *if* there was a order from higher up and we disregard the entire historical argument I have very much my doubts about for several reasons it would make little sense there ever was such a order. In fact I would argue a attempt to remove such promotional content would be more likely to happen even if it would be very hard to technical do so and impossible without delaying the game. This reasoning involves current global political change and business priority shifts. Woke as marketing and focus is becoming less relevant for most large business and investors to pursue as is the same for other practices and beliefs.

I congratulate the studio with its release and I am looking forward to experiencing the second installment once time permits it.

I gotta ask. Did anyone actually read this? I saw this wall of text and literally lol'd.

A long time ago I used to argue with people seriously on Steam. Now I realize that people are determined to stick to their views no matter how wrong they or how much evidence you present proving them wrong. As such, I don't read long posts and I don't write long posts anymore. This entire platform is only good for poo flinging, don't try to take it seriously or you'll get burned

[Dedhaven]

Funny, you claim a largely Christian game is a win for the woke community. If anything this game will inspire other devs to be less woke XD
and btw, 1 gay romance doesn't = woke

[Taka]

I guess you guys have to get your wins somewhere even if the win was only because everyone loved the first game.

[Robbo]

Автор сообщения: Taka

I guess you guys have to get your wins somewhere even if the win was only because everyone loved the first game.

holy cope

[Taka]

Автор сообщения: Robbo

Автор сообщения: Taka

I guess you guys have to get your wins somewhere even if the win was only because everyone loved the first game.

holy cope

this entire thread topic is cope what in gods name are you talking about

[Chibi Life]

Автор сообщения: Taka

I guess you guys have to get your wins somewhere even if the win was only because everyone loved the first game.

Actually if they never bragged about wanting to be historically accurate in the 1st game and then walking it back in the 2nd game there wouldn't be any outrage at all. If people really gave a sh!t about gay people existing in games, Baulder's Gate 3 wouldn't have been a huge success.

This is definitely about failed expectations making them look like they literally went "woke" as a result of their failure

[Robbo]

Автор сообщения: Taka

Автор сообщения: Robbo

holy cope

this entire thread topic is cope what in gods name are you talking about

you couldn't be more in denial

[Taka]

Автор сообщения: Robbo

Автор сообщения: Taka

this entire thread topic is cope what in gods name are you talking about

you couldn't be more in denial

and I couldn't care less about your gaslighting attempts. try someone else.

[Robbo]

Автор сообщения: Chibi Life

Автор сообщения: Taka

I guess you guys have to get your wins somewhere even if the win was only because everyone loved the first game.

Actually if they never bragged about wanting to be historically accurate in the 1st game and then walking it back in the 2nd game there wouldn't be any outrage at all. If people really gave a sh!t about gay people existing in games, Baulder's Gate 3 wouldn't have been a huge success.

This is definitely about failed expectations making them look like they literally went "woke" as a result of their failure

wtf are you talking about, this is historically accurate. what you want is to be INACCURATE

[Robbo]

Автор сообщения: Taka

Автор сообщения: Robbo

you couldn't be more in denial

and I couldn't care less about your gaslighting attempts. try someone else.

such deep denial

[Chibi Life]

Автор сообщения: Robbo

Автор сообщения: Chibi Life

Actually if they never bragged about wanting to be historically accurate in the 1st game and then walking it back in the 2nd game there wouldn't be any outrage at all. If people really gave a sh!t about gay people existing in games, Baulder's Gate 3 wouldn't have been a huge success.

This is definitely about failed expectations making them look like they literally went "woke" as a result of their failure

wtf are you talking about, this is historically accurate. what you want is to be INACCURATE

Ahh yes 1400s Europe had lots of gays in it running around true