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I never said multiculturalism was the primary issue; much like I stated sexual immorality was one of many such symptoms, so too were the immigration policies that were reined in which is what they decided to specifically harp on and so I responded accordingly.
The internal power struggles you speak of are also indicative of what is occurring today in the way of societal divide, the erosion of morals and further fracturing of civility, i.e precisely what mr "er.tz" is buying into at the common level.
So oppressive has this regime become that you can't even begin to distinguish the root cause anymore. Why? Because you're not allowed to. That's where we're currently at, that's how bad it has gotten and as a result everyone is flailing around in the dark without any true understanding of what ails them, attacking anyone and everyone around them, labeling them without restraint when something that challenges their narrative creeps into the fray.
This is why I caution them of the historical importance of that which has already happened and is currently shaping up.
If they want a taste of what's to come, then there's a relevant reason as to why America is currently eyeing up other neighboring countries.
Ignorance and a manipulated education is what we'll thrive in. Every party changes the education curriculum and it's disgusting.
Gayyyyyyyy
It is more of a problem when they switch audiences mid-stream. The original catered to people like me, and I was a Kickstarter backer for it.
Now the game does not cater to me, and I take issue with that. They should have made Henry and Hans gay or bi in the first game, it would have avoided this very situation.
People are not substances, and substances are not people. Category error. Try again.
Modified modern definition. In fact, the original definition had nothing to do with homosexuality, and instead meant "fear of man", i.e. fear of humans. It was later modified to mean "Fear of homosexuals". Even later, activists realized how foolish this made them sound, so they modified the definition yet again to not mean what the Latin literally means.
Those of us with memories and literacy skills are not fooled. You should use one of the superior alternatives I provided for you.
Also you must have been really gay for hans, as I, a bisexual man, didnt even get an option to romance hans in either of my blind playthroughs. IDK why all you soybois cry so hard about this game when ♥♥♥♥ like dragon age veilguard exists.
Show the evidence, otherwise this is nothing more than a claim with no fundation
Now could you create the idea that all these places used religion to enact action against homosexuality? Perhaps, however the justification that homosexuality was not productive to a growing society remains. Regardless of religious preferences. Ancient Mesopotamia is perhaps one of the earliest civilizations we can witness to have banned homosexuality however to say that it was purely of consequence from religious views would be doing a disservice to what actually happened. Notwithstanding, there remained a practical application for the promotion of heterosexual relations only over homosexual. Key rulers used this to grasp more power.
yeah, yeah, we get it. you're a closeted ♥♥♥♥.
lol w/e you say comrade.
I'm not surprised a bunch of woke children are lashing out and insulting me instead of engaging my arguments. In fact no one, yourself included, has countered any of my points.
You all will go as far as to have me banned which is incredibly weak and shows you all don't have any substance to your woke ideology.
If I get banned again for this post then that will only prove this particular point.
Nope, not what I was saying, but it shouldn't be shocking my words being misinterpreted or intentionally misrepresented to formulate a strawman argument.
I never said Henry couldn't be gay or bi and my only argument has been he shouldn't be gay or bi because of Warhorse's disingenuous pandering and retcon.
You're not arguing against me but Warhorse themselves and to say anything to the contrary is to call their own community manager a liar.
You had made the point "bisexual people can have a family too" and I had told a story illustrating the exact opposite which still holds true to this day.
I have not any bisexual person married with a family still engaging in same sex relations and statistically speaking married people with families don't engage in homosexuality.
The overwhelming majority don't and the ones who do get divorced and go on to be gay.
No, you just haven't honestly engaged with my arguments on merit instead just strawman and gaslight into oblivion so your red herring deflection is simply an excuse.
Now, I'm going to shutdown this strawman for good since I have always presented evidence, I'm not to be faulted if you don't read it or try to pretend it doesn't exist.
Eight years ago the Warhorse community manager, Christian Piontek, was singing a different tune and made online posts saying some interesting things.
Would you like to know what he said? I'll give you the cliffnotes version.
The Warhorse community manager was asked if KCD1 would have same sex romance and the official Warhorse Studios account said this:
The English is not great and what Christian was trying to convey in the last point is a bit confusing because he was responding to a poster named Yan Silva so I'll clarify.
The point was you are the person who you are and Henry is his own person, but his character is not meant to be a reflection of you [the player] and your own personal identity.
Here somebody made a video documenting the evidence: https://youtu.be/uLRg-kHWBa4?si=Pr-SyUwEacEOfKr5
There’s no point in debating you, because your opposition to gay romance in the game comes from your views on bisexual and gay people which in itself stem from either religious or cultural beliefs. So there’s no logic based position to debate against.
As to community manager. They are on the lowest point when it comes to ranking their importance of their opinions on the story, they don’t sit in the writers heads to know their exact plans, especially years before even the first game came out.
Anyways, for something to be retconned, it has to be first a part of the story and there’s nothing in the first game clearly suggesting that Henry has no interest in men. If there was a scene clearly saying or showing this, you would have a point, but as of now it’s simply character development, not a retcon.
Also, no one outside religious fanaticism from US uses “sodomizer” to talk about homosexuality, once more proving that there’s no place here for any constructive debate.
I think what’s upsetting many players is that both Henry and Sir Hans Capon were portrayed as traditionally straight men in KDC1.
You could argue that with Henry it’s more flexible, as he is a fictional character. However, reinterpreting Hans Capon—a real historical figure—as being involved in a same-sex romance feels, to some, like spitting on historical accuracy. It’s somewhat comparable to how Vikings: Valhalla was criticized for turning a pagan hero to a different sex & ethnicity.
I believe there would have been far less backlash if the romance option had involved a fully fictional character, such as Musa or any other non historic NPC.
From what little I’ve seen (I spoilered myself on that topic), the romance storyline also seems rather abruptly introduced. Whether that was due to DEI considerations or not is debatable—but in the end, it feels like a missed opportunity.
Warhorse had a unique chance to portray how homosexuality—or "sodomy" as it was referred to at the time—was handled during that historical period. They previously managed to explore complex and controversial topics well, such as in the Waldensians questline or A Dance with the Devil (which dealt with witchcraft), both of which came with serious consequences and moral nuance.
Instead, they chose a more modern, simplified route—one that feels more in line with something like Dragon Age Veilguard than with the grounded, historically rich storytelling that made KCD1 so memorable.
And that’s genuinely disappointing.