Romance with Hans? Seriously??

[Przemo]

Dare to Game in his review saying that You can have romance with Hans.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1E6zhRBvG84&t=1007s

Seriously warhrose? To be fair i bought the game but thinking about refund.
Tell me how could You ruin perfect friendship bond by even giving an option to make it gay? It is shame. I can withstand some random gay dude. I can withstand black random black guy but for real? Romance with Hans? Shame on You.

EDIT.
Because most of the defenders didn't play the game or can't read so they don't know who Hans Capon was. He was crazy about females and was totally straight male character. This post is not about GAY in the game. It is about CONSISTENCY. If You can't understand that then stick to FPS games and leave RPG for people who love good plot.

[Mendicant Bias]

Origineel geplaatst door Galactic-Tactics:

Origineel geplaatst door Grimdaddy:

No, just yours, not mine. KCD1 was made for me, which is why I backed the Kickstarter. KCD2 is for you, and I am glad you enjoy it. I would have preferred they make a new series for you instead of hijacking the one I supported when they needed it most, but here we are.

They killed my game and gave one to you instead. That is how it goes sometimes. No doubt, anyone who has seen their favorite series hijacked in a new direction will be able to sympathize, though very few will ever admit it when they see it happen to someone else.

That is okay, I will enjoy seeing what they cram into the next one for all of you Modern Audience folks :lunar2019laughingpig:

Ah yes, the Modern Audience: women, gays, and the bi-curious. Forgive us for tresspassing. Video games are new to us.

Heres the funny thing, it literally is new to you, theres more straight men that play videos than any other demographic. And unfortunately for you, thats the main audience. Literally every other game that has heavy woke themes has flopped hard. And no, i dont count BG3 because its not shoved in your face just like KCD 2. And yes i do agree with most sane people that the controversy in overblown, but what i dont like is the Director/Ceo or whatever, coming out and denying the Saudi ban and other stuff. Like why do that? Why lie in the first place, now THAT is what most of us fans didnt like, it was the obvious lying by the studio. Thats one of the main reasons some actual fans of the game didnt by the sequel, or are furious.

[Mendicant Bias]

Origineel geplaatst door SvetaBintaTaxi:

Origineel geplaatst door Balex55:

I don’t own KCD2—I’ve only experienced the original. However, Warhorse Studio, your work repulses me. Henry was never homosexual, nor was Hans. In medieval times, such “deviance” was met with ruthless retribution—burned at the stake or executed by even more brutal means. That was simply the grim reality of that era. In 2025, you’ve become the very embodiment of modern “wokeness.”

If you would use your brain for just a sec. you would realize that:

a) homosexuality isn't publicly displayed ingame (you also do other illegal stuf ingame, surprise, surprise)
b) it's a choice and if you don't chose it then nothing homosexual will happen ingame
c) calling homosexuality "woke" is pretty weird...

The embodiment of modern times isn't wokeness but ppl stop using their brains and getting mad over literally everything. I mean right now you're getting mad over a fictional choice within a game you don't even own! That's mind blowing to me...

Sorry, but that bs don't work anymore after the 10 years yall woketards have been ruining video games. Now because of you people, we are gonna have this antiwoke crowd go ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ crazy on anything. Good job wokies, you've done it again.

[Termix]

Origineel geplaatst door SvetaBintaTaxi:

The embodiment of modern times isn't wokeness but ppl stop using their brains and getting mad over literally everything. I mean right now you're getting mad over a fictional choice within a game you don't even own! That's mind blowing to me...

Dude, you're getting mad over him getting mad.

Maybe learn to accept opposing opinions instead of arguing that they are not acceptable/irrelevant, this behavior is what got us into this situation in the first place.

[[Redacted]]

Origineel geplaatst door Mendicant Bias:

Heres the funny thing, it literally is new to you, theres more straight men that play videos than any other demographic. And unfortunately for you, thats the main audience.

I wholeheartedly agree, it's also a statistical fact.

Origineel geplaatst door Mendicant Bias:

Literally every other game that has heavy woke themes has flopped hard.

They are going to gaslight you hard on that point with either, "they didn't flop and actually are successes," or, "only the bigots didn't appreciate them."

Origineel geplaatst door Mendicant Bias:

And no, i dont count BG3 because its not shoved in your face just like KCD 2.

Well, the biggest difference between those two games in my opinion is that in BG3 your character is a blank slate within a fantasy RPG so ultimately it doesn't matter.

If KC:D2 wanted Henry to be gay then they should have made him a blank slate in the first game, but to retcon an actual historical figure like Hans is a legitimate complaint.

Origineel geplaatst door Mendicant Bias:

And yes i do agree with most sane people that the controversy in overblown...

I have been a bit extreme only because I don't have any tolerance for fundamentally dishonest and narcissistic wokies like domdom33933 or GoufNotes.

Having said that, I'm working on my patience and the controversy is slightly overblown.

Origineel geplaatst door Mendicant Bias:

... but what i dont like is the Director/Ceo or whatever, coming out and denying the Saudi ban and other stuff. Like why do that?

First time I'm hearing about this, can you tell me more?

Origineel geplaatst door Mendicant Bias:

Why lie in the first place, now THAT is what most of us fans didnt like, it was the obvious lying by the studio.

Look at retcons - retroactively changing the continuity of the lore - as a form of lying.

Origineel geplaatst door Mendicant Bias:

Thats one of the main reasons some actual fans of the game didnt by the sequel, or are furious.

My buddy whom is a fan and a kickstarter backer didn't like Warhorse retconning Hans and Henry to for an identity politics agenda.

Especially when such pandering as seen as disingenuous appeasement for a group of people whom may not even be interested in the game.

[Rizzit]

I wish i had budgetz to make a AAA game, oh sweet mother of god, the rage, the tear farm, it would make an entire generation go to therapy by checking EVERY Item in the list that goes against DEI. From Misogyny to White Supremacy to Racism to fatphopic to anti gayyness... Oh lord. it would be like GTA3 with Swords.

[Grimdaddy]

Origineel geplaatst door Termix:

Origineel geplaatst door Grimdaddy:

He could never confront this, it is too perfect a comparison. It would destroy his argument entirely, so I assume that he will make sure to ignore this with all his might

Nobody can confront it, since it never was an argument, something simply existing doesn't make it good or bad.

Dodged. Predictable.

Origineel geplaatst door Termix:

I think it's problematic that both sides basically want to deny the opposing side the right to exist.

Not wanting *every game* and *every male relationship* to be gay or bisexual does not equal "wanting the opposing side to cease existing".

If they wanted Hans and Henry to be bisexual, they should have made them that way in the original game. But they did not, they retconned them later, and we are sick of this sort of nonsense.

Origineel geplaatst door Mendicant Bias:

Nah, its infuriating that every male friendship, these people just HAVE to make it gay. Everyone sees two guys together and think gay. For once people just want to guys that are best friends, but in the society we live in now, almost none of you have a real best friend because of all this bs that happening socially, so no little gay buddy, its not because of that, its because mutual male relationships that ARENT sexual, are thrown to the wayside and EVERYONE has to be gay or bi.

Exactly this, well said.

Origineel geplaatst door Rizzit:

I wish i had budgetz to make a AAA game, oh sweet mother of god, the rage, the tear farm, it would make an entire generation go to therapy by checking EVERY Item in the list that goes against DEI. From Misogyny to White Supremacy to Racism to fatphopic to anti gayyness... Oh lord. it would be like GTA3 with Swords.

I wish you did too, Rizzit.

[Termix]

Origineel geplaatst door Grimdaddy:

Not wanting *every game* and *every male relationship* to be gay or bisexual does not equal "wanting the opposing side to cease existing".

If they wanted Hans and Henry to be bisexual, they should have made them that way in the original game. But they did not, they retconned them later, and we are sick of this sort of nonsense.

Have you read the whole discussion? Some people from both sides were very hostile.

I've also had enough of virtue signaling / political messaging, but we can't make these claims here, there is no evidence.

I agree with your opinion that Hans feels like a retcon, but it's just one valid opinion, the side that is in favor of the romance also has valid arguments and it makes their opinion valid as well.

[Caduryn]

Origineel geplaatst door Grimdaddy:

Origineel geplaatst door Termix:

Nobody can confront it, since it never was an argument, something simply existing doesn't make it good or bad.

Dodged. Predictable.

Origineel geplaatst door Termix:

I think it's problematic that both sides basically want to deny the opposing side the right to exist.

Not wanting *every game* and *every male relationship* to be gay or bisexual does not equal "wanting the opposing side to cease existing".

If they wanted Hans and Henry to be bisexual, they should have made them that way in the original game. But they did not, they retconned them later, and we are sick of this sort of nonsense.

Imagine being sick of 100% optional Feature...

Thats telling more about you then anyone else.

[JLMetaMix]

Its like superman asking batman to make love to him.

[Sunrise, Parabellum]

Origineel geplaatst door Rizzit:

I wish i had budgetz to make a AAA game, oh sweet mother of god, the rage, the tear farm, it would make an entire generation go to therapy by checking EVERY Item in the list that goes against DEI. From Misogyny to White Supremacy to Racism to fatphopic to anti gayyness... Oh lord. it would be like GTA3 with Swords.

Sounds like you're the one crying. Thanks for buying KCD2 and funding wokeness.

[Nico]

You crybabies will ♥♥♥♥♥ about any little thing that doesn't fit your worldview. A ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ optional quest is throwing you into a river of fire. Get a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ life, you plebs.

[[Redacted]]

Origineel geplaatst door JLMetaMix:

Its like superman asking batman to make love to him.

When they're both straight with girlfriends! Best comment so far.

[Termix]

Origineel geplaatst door Demigod Chewtoy:

I would add a "woke" scene just to get the haters' attention. This game is getting so much traction.

Stoking the flames surely worked out for this industry.

Origineel geplaatst door Redacted:

Hans, based upon an actual Bohemian noble, was straight in the real historical context.

Henry, a made-up character, was entered into the codex as well as the lore with a specific backstory and as being straight in the original game.

That is all the evidence you need.

I'm just asking for a single valid argument to seriously consider why this is a good thing.

Yes, these are arguments, but writers of fiction don't have to follow history or even their established lore, they're free to do what they want.

It's a retcon for me, but typical arguments I read are:
- it's optional to give players more choice
- it happened due to the circumstances (fanfiction)
- homosexuality wasn't unheard of and often well hidden

What I really dislike is this:
https://www.thegamer.com/kingdom-come-deliverance-2-hans-capone-henry-romance-options/

It's the typical uno reverso card getting played that we've gotten from this industry for years and I think we're actually partially overreacting, but it's due to the relentless pandering in recent years - there's even a South Park movie called "Into the Panderverse"...

In the end we all vote with our wallets and KCD2 seems to be a huge success.

[Sekhmet]

Origineel geplaatst door Mendicant Bias:

Origineel geplaatst door SvetaBintaTaxi:

If you would use your brain for just a sec. you would realize that:

a) homosexuality isn't publicly displayed ingame (you also do other illegal stuf ingame, surprise, surprise)
b) it's a choice and if you don't chose it then nothing homosexual will happen ingame
c) calling homosexuality "woke" is pretty weird...

The embodiment of modern times isn't wokeness but ppl stop using their brains and getting mad over literally everything. I mean right now you're getting mad over a fictional choice within a game you don't even own! That's mind blowing to me...

Sorry, but that bs don't work anymore after the 10 years yall woketards have been ruining video games. Now because of you people, we are gonna have this antiwoke crowd go ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ crazy on anything. Good job wokies, you've done it again.

It's just you and bunch of other "weird" ppl that get confused by a homosexual choice within a game. I for myself am just like the "anti-woke-crowd" against "woke" stuff within games and movies that is forced upon players/viewers. I for example skipped Vailguard and other "woke" games. However I was never that **** to be mad about an optional gay option within a game. You're not part of any crowd. You're just... *can't say it here* xP

[schwarzalb]

hahaha well there is a problem with wokeness in game ... there is also a problem with idiot gamers like in this case