Forcing DEI into a historical sim of Christian Bohemia. WILD.

[CourtJesterCowboy]

Retconning characters is generally annoying in and of itself when you can just make a new character, but Kingdom Come is the last title I expected to suffer from the modern forced Reddit virus, especially since its a historical title, and Henry or any other character would have literally been burned at the stake, historically...

Wild. I even repurchased the game on Steam to get hyped and its such a bummer to find this out. I used to not care about this sorta thing, but I know now that not caring is part of the problem.

Shame on Warhorse Studios and shame on Steam too for banning anyone who doesn't bend over for it. Instant boycott.

[Ozone]

Oprindeligt skrevet af DogMeat:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Ozone:

LOL another one using the R word incorrectly and this one even talks history!!
Hope you have fun boycotting and *not* playing the game day 1... ohh who are we kidding, not even outraged soy loving SJW-hater wannabe basement-BASED(tm) specimens like you will stay away from this masterpiece.

You know I, I know it, God-Emperor Trump knows it. It will be G L O R I O U S

It will be just as glorious years later at 90% off with all the DLC and the bugs fixed.

Not everything is about instant gratification. Not sure how some people haven't learned this yet.

I'm sure you're right sir

[DogMeat]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Ozone:

I'm sure you're right sir :thumb:

It's probably going to be good. Taking a stance on it is important for me and I can still enjoy at some later date.

[Liquid Shadow Cop]

Oprindeligt skrevet af DogMeat:

Changing a defining feature of a character to explore a taboo sounds like bad writing to me.

How so? Is character development bad if it pulls away from what is established?

Oprindeligt skrevet af DogMeat:

When they're literally under one of these companies and they change something they said was set in stone... yeah I go all crazy conspiracy theorist.

Oprindeligt skrevet af DogMeat:

Sexuality for a predefined character is not player determined and the developers agreed.

In KCD1, in KCD2 we now have more player agency to explore these themes and I call more options to roleplay in an RPG a good thing.

Oprindeligt skrevet af DogMeat:

Heny of Skallitz is predetermined. He is the son of a blacksmith. He has a set face. He has a set age. He has (had) a set sexuality.

But you choose your sexuality still much like you do in Mass Effect now much like you do in KCD2 now, so how does that equate to his sexuality being canonically bisexual just because you're given the option as if you the player don't determine that choice?

Oprindeligt skrevet af DogMeat:

When corporations are meddling to insert things and change things it taints art.

That's your conspiracy, I'll wait for release before conclooding whether gay or black people "tainted" anything.

[DogMeat]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Liquid Shadow Cop:

How so? Is character development bad if it pulls away from what is established?

If it has to change an established character to explore an idea that doesn't require it... yeah.

Oprindeligt skrevet af Liquid Shadow Cop:

In KCD1, in KCD2 we now have more player agency to explore these themes and I call more options to roleplay in an RPG a good thing.

Giving more options to how to react to the world is in line with this. Changing the character is not.

Oprindeligt skrevet af Liquid Shadow Cop:

But you choose your sexuality still much like you do in Mass Effect now much like you do in KCD2 now, so how does that equate to his sexuality being canonically bisexual just because you're given the option as if you the player don't determine that choice?

Again... Mass Effect allows you to create Shep from the ground up. Henry is established. If you give new options involving an established character you are changing who that character is. Henry is now canonically bi, and he is bi for explicitly woke reasons.

I'm not happy about that. Many others agree.

Oprindeligt skrevet af Liquid Shadow Cop:

That's your conspiracy, I'll wait for release before conclooding whether gay or black people "tainted" anything.

I don't need to wait. The character has already been changed for these reasons. Its not a question of whether they went woke... its a question of how woke. For many of us 10 years of this has driven us to the point where an ounce of it is too much in a previously anti-woke game.

[Kain]

Didn't see anything forced into the game OP.

[Ozone]

Oprindeligt skrevet af DogMeat:

Henry is established.

Oh god here I go puking again
Who established him? Was it you? Was it me? Was it Jesus Christ & The Holy Trinity?

Henry is only established in your synapses. You thought you had Henry figured out but you didn't, and now they BUUURN 🙈🙈
Henry is established by Warhorse and any character development his story (may) take him to can be organic. I guess it seems forced if you have an agenda yourself.

See kids R-word is not for everybody to use. R-word is BAD

[Liquid Shadow Cop]

Oprindeligt skrevet af DogMeat:

Again... Mass Effect allows you to create Shep from the ground up. Henry is established. If you give new options involving an established character you are changing who that character is. Henry is now canonically bi, and he is bi for explicitly woke reasons.

YOU change who that character is, Henry isn't bisexual by default, that's something you unlock through your choices. You can go through the game never being exposed to this option with Henry adamantly rebuking any advance from a gay character and he'd still be bisexual in your eyes because the option exists somewhere in an alternate reality playthrough of the same game.

[DogMeat]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Liquid Shadow Cop:

YOU change who that character is, Henry isn't bisexual by default, that's something you unlock through your choices.

Sexuality isn't 'unlocked' with a predefined character.

Options exist for both?

He is bi.

Oprindeligt skrevet af Liquid Shadow Cop:

You can go through the game never being exposed to this option with Henry adamantly rebuking any advance from a gay character and he'd still be bisexual in your eyes because the option exists somewhere in an alternate reality playthrough of the same game.

Gay people have rebuked other gay people throughout history for fear of persecution.

You're role playing whether he gives in to his urges or keeps it hidden.

When you play a character you fully create yourself you decide the character's sexuality through the options in game. This isn't one of those games.

[Eliphas]

Gonna pass on this, voting with my wallet. I encourage anyone of like mind to do the same.

[CourtJesterCowboy]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Kain:

Didn't see anything forced into the game OP.

If you have blinders on, you wont be able to see...

[Kain]

Oprindeligt skrevet af CourtJesterCowboy:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Kain:

Didn't see anything forced into the game OP.

If you have blinders on, you wont be able to see...

I'm seeing, no blinders on. Looks like a great game where you can choose what to do. Just don't be gay.

[Deus Vult]

Atheists and gay-lovers are flocking to this post like black people to Walmart during a "protest" in California.

[Haddon]

Oprindeligt skrevet af CourtJesterCowboy:

Oprindeligt skrevet af theo:

Reminds me of this
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1394830568

Like how much do you know about the actual Middle Ages

Well considering its all public knowledge...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_medieval_Europe

Yes, it is public knowledge...
that most people weren't executed for it, they were just shunned. As long as it was kept on the down-low, most people didn't care enough to murder people over it. Confiscation of property, if they were wealthy, was fairly common. But it was used for political purposes more than anything else.

[CourtJesterCowboy]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Haddon:

Oprindeligt skrevet af CourtJesterCowboy:

Well considering its all public knowledge...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_medieval_Europe

Yes, it is public knowledge...
that most people weren't executed for it, they were just shunned. As long as it was kept on the down-low, most people didn't care enough to murder people over it. Confiscation of property, if they were wealthy, was fairly common. But it was used for political purposes more than anything else.

However you need to justify your desires. Varying punishment doesn't take away from the fact that ~25% of the people were executed and another `50% were publically shamed for what was considered one of the most serious offenses in heresy.

[LupisVolk]

How me in the game where this so called Diversity, Equity and Inclusion is.