I don't understand the drama around it

[MadLemon]

So how the hell is screwing who you want is woke/dei? As long as it's not a pandering soulless piece of trash like DA:Failguard, I am okay with that.

I also have a creeping suspicion, that the opposite isle of the political debate tries to emphasize that the game is woke/gay/dei in order to MAKE IT FAIL.

IGN emphasized "Diversity and many ethnicities" in an article a while ago, despite the claim about "many ethnicities" being specifically made to troll that side, because when elaborated a dev explained that ethnicities are meant that were all living in the region at the time period. (implying there won't be any race swapping as the DEI mob wants it)

So, just don't pre-order. Wait 1-2 days for the reviews of reputable youtubers and ignore whatever crying is around it. If I see the game is good and doesn't force anything on me, I will pay full price for it.

[Moon Punisher]

It isnt hard to understand.
Henry was into p****
Henry now is into d****
Game is woke, whether you want to accept it or not lols, aint nobody going to be gaslight about that fact.

[Shield-biter]

If it wasn't woke, there would be no debate happening. Waiting a few days won't change anything at all.

[Sugam]

Originally posted by Moon Punisher:

It isnt hard to understand.
Henry was into p****
Henry now is into d****
Game is woke, whether you want to accept it or not lols, aint nobody going to be gaslight about that fact.

also, these forced ideologies and twisting of characters/lore NEVER stops. If you want to make a game with DEI/Woke then do it, its just fine. But stop perverting already successful/established titles and rug pulling its fans with its ideologies cause we all know it would not sell otherwise if they where upfront with it from the start rather then hiding it. Its very disingenuous on their part.

[StaunchStache]

It's the feeling of getting the rug pulled from underneath you. Being betrayed by people you thought you could trust.

We played as the very much straight Henry in the first game, and we expected him to remain so in the sequel. Even having the option feels like a radical and unprompted change in the character.

Years ago, we've had the lead dev be very loud and clear in his stance that medieval Bohemia few to no african people in order to defend the first game's lack of superficial "diversity", and now the sequel prominently features one. And that is not mentioning the content of that character's dialogue.

So now we're starting to wonder if that was all that was kept from us, what other nasty surprises could be waiting for us.

Don't get me wrong, minor woke elements are not a deal breaker to me, but those sudden reversals have led me (and who knows how many others) to stop regarding the game as something worth pre-purchasing or even getting on release and instead a adopt a "wait and see to get the full picture before considering buying" approach like all other big-name games these days.

[MadLemon]

Originally posted by Moon Punisher:

It isnt hard to understand.
Henry was into p****
Henry now is into d****
Game is woke, whether you want to accept it or not lols, aint nobody going to be gaslight about that fact.

Is BG3 woke? Is Mass Effect 2 woke? You can f##k a dude, if you want. There is no barves you have to pull, there is no cringe dialogue pushing this modern agenda.
So... Are THOSE games woke? I mean they specifically stated that you will be ostrasized by society and it will strongly affect your gameplay in a negative way, which is kinda realistic and immersive. I mean as long as the dialogue is not like in Veilguard, I am cool with it, when you have the option to tell the dude to go sk his own dk for example.

My point is, you should be concerned, but you shouldn't judge it before it came out.

[brisket]

Originally posted by MadLemon:

So how the hell is screwing who you want is woke/dei? As long as it's not a pandering soulless piece of trash like DA:Failguard, I am okay with that.

I also have a creeping suspicion, that the opposite isle of the political debate tries to emphasize that the game is woke/gay/dei in order to MAKE IT FAIL.

IGN emphasized "Diversity and many ethnicities" in an article a while ago, despite the claim about "many ethnicities" being specifically made to troll that side, because when elaborated a dev explained that ethnicities are meant that were all living in the region at the time period. (implying there won't be any race swapping as the DEI mob wants it)

So, just don't pre-order. Wait 1-2 days for the reviews of reputable youtubers and ignore whatever crying is around it. If I see the game is good and doesn't force anything on me, I will pay full price for it.

what's harder to understand for them is the romance is optional

[Ellydir]

Originally posted by Shield-biter:

If it wasn't woke, there would be no debate happening. Waiting a few days won't change anything at all.

A few days will let you check the actual game and separate facts from bs.

[MadLemon]

Originally posted by Shield-biter:

If it wasn't woke, there would be no debate happening. Waiting a few days won't change anything at all.

Ofc it will. I will see honest reviews. I will see how IGN tries to put it down and that would tell me everything I need to know.
Any comment, opinion, news etc. is speculation until the game is released.

[Ellydir]

Originally posted by MadLemon:

Originally posted by Shield-biter:

If it wasn't woke, there would be no debate happening. Waiting a few days won't change anything at all.

Ofc it will. I will see honest reviews. I will see how IGN tries to put it down and that would tell me everything I need to know.
Any comment, opinion, news etc. is speculation until the game is released.

No, you see, they read from reputable leaks that Henry is gay, and Hans is gay, and they have a two hour unskipable sex scene as part of the main questline, and there's an army of black Musas from Mali. It's all true, it's on the internet!

[brisket]

Originally posted by Ellydir:

Originally posted by MadLemon:

Ofc it will. I will see honest reviews. I will see how IGN tries to put it down and that would tell me everything I need to know.
Any comment, opinion, news etc. is speculation until the game is released.

No, you see, they read from reputable leaks that Henry is gay, and Hans is gay, and they have a two hour unskipable sex scene as part of the main questline, and there's an army of black Musas from Mali. It's all true, it's on the internet!

nice bait

[Ellydir]

Originally posted by something about truth:

Originally posted by Ellydir:

No, you see, they read from reputable leaks that Henry is gay, and Hans is gay, and they have a two hour unskipable sex scene as part of the main questline, and there's an army of black Musas from Mali. It's all true, it's on the internet!

nice bait

Read the comments on any of those posts, because these are the exact claims being made.

[Mouse Rat]

Originally posted by Ellydir:

Originally posted by Shield-biter:

If it wasn't woke, there would be no debate happening. Waiting a few days won't change anything at all.

A few days will let you check the actual game and separate facts from bs.

They have been howling at the moon screeching slurs and hate for the past few days, there is no factual or logical conclusion that will make them stop.
Maybe try it ..after they stop doing the hate.

[Hattori_Denzo]

Originally posted by MadLemon:

So how the hell is screwing who you want is woke/dei? As long as it's not a pandering soulless piece of trash like DA:Failguard, I am okay with that.

I also have a creeping suspicion, that the opposite isle of the political debate tries to emphasize that the game is woke/gay/dei in order to MAKE IT FAIL.

IGN emphasized "Diversity and many ethnicities" in an article a while ago, despite the claim about "many ethnicities" being specifically made to troll that side, because when elaborated a dev explained that ethnicities are meant that were all living in the region at the time period. (implying there won't be any race swapping as the DEI mob wants it)

So, just don't pre-order. Wait 1-2 days for the reviews of reputable youtubers and ignore whatever crying is around it. If I see the game is good and doesn't force anything on me, I will pay full price for it.

It really doesn't matter if some woke lunatics try to slander this game to oblivion or raise false flags etc.
Because truth will come out and if this woke crap is lie then devs have no problem. People will buy the game like was the plan before this.

[MadLemon]

Originally posted by Ellydir:

Originally posted by something about truth:

nice bait

Read the comments on any of those posts, because these are the exact claims being made.

Well if it's true, rip bozos
Imma save up for other games, but I reserve judgment until after release, because it's not the "woke/dei" making games trash but the pandering tone and the inability to "behave badly" as a reaction, forcing you to be the good boy and accepting all that trash at face value.

I guess we will find out shortly :)

[Kain]

Originally posted by MadLemon:

Originally posted by Ellydir:

Read the comments on any of those posts, because these are the exact claims being made.

Well if it's true, rip bozos
Imma save up for other games, but I reserve judgment until after release, because it's not the "woke/dei" making games trash but the pandering tone and the inability to "behave badly" as a reaction, forcing you to be the good boy and accepting all that trash at face value.

I guess we will find out shortly :)

Smart take. Wait out if there isn't any intrusive patronizing crap, decide if you want it.