Is Henry gay?

[Lord Freedom]

Seeing vague discussions but no specifics. Is Henry being gay canon now or something?

Update: I have canceled my preorder

[AdahnGorion]

Originally posted by di Medici:

Originally posted by AdahnGorion:

There are plenty examples of "semi" established characters, that are playersexual as well.
That being said, I fully agree that its much easier with "create your own character" and with a much more loose tag "the insert random tag here" for obvious reasons.

As I said, I fully understand why some feel its odd with Henry (as he was shown in a different light, outside player agency in the first game) but this is a coming of age story, with two teenagers, hence why I am saying its a tad different, compared to full established characters, that have tons of lore behind them.

All agree that if Henry was playersexual (with more options in the first game) none would have had this debate right now.. it would be natural for all that he was playersexual and you had the agency.

The reason I bring up playersexual, is because many seem to write that Henry is Bisexual now.. he is not.. that has nothing to do with being playersexual. If Henry had been bisexual, then cutscenes (non agency scenarios) would have Henry look and smile as same sex, just as with the opposite sex.. but we have only seen this go one route in the first game.

I personally think that it will be based on organic actions and experiences ingame, so you will only get to the point, if you are both lucky and seek out routes that would enable this to happen.. this is not unheard off btw.. the two lads are really close after all.

To me Musa is a much much bigger concern, albeit not enough to not make me buy the game (I think Musa is immersion breaking and far fetched from a historical point of view, I don´t care about his skintone and love the inclusion of the Romani ie.)
But there could be a fun plot twist and story to atleast make that a no issue.. we wont know until we have more details or try the game ourselves.

Not that simple really. You speaking about Henry and Hans (I assume) as they were some teenagers from LA. Which is exactly one of the problems with all this narrative. It’s medieval ages, 16 years means you are a grown up man, that has maybe 15 more years to live at most? So no, Henry is supposed to be a fully developed character at least in thing like his own sexuality his not an American teenager. And Henry is 27 …

No I don´t. I speak about them as in the setting.... medieval Bohemia.. I fully agree that being a teenager back then was being a grown up "in the eyes of society" just as children were not really looked at as we do today.. but lets not bring to much Émile ou De l'éducation into it to pinpoint when we started to see differently on this matter....

The point is that even in medieval Bohemia, two "boys" men at that age would have not been mature in terms of brain development, nor body and that identity would still be able to change..... Its not that hard to understand... The developer already said, that its a rather rare persuit and that you need many triggers to achieve it and even then its secretive and they know its sinful and most likely are ashamed of their action... this is not really far fetched, less far fetched than say, Sigismund having a Malian as their personal physician...


Henry is not 27... the reason their ages are not really told ingame is due to the implications towards some of the mature content this game offers and the backlash you might see.. but we have a developer confirming the ages in the first game, back when we crowdfunded it, that is how we know their ages......

Hans Capon is based on Jan Ptáček of Pirkštejn. He was born 1388. You do the math.. its 1403 ingame.

[Crow]

Originally posted by Tubey:

Henry isn't that; he's a continuation of a character in-lore with parameters set by the first game and by the developers themselves.

Yes, and he's still the same character he was before, so what's the problem? This time you have more OPTIONS to shape him better to your personal preferences, but you don't have to, it's your choice. You have your Henry, others have theirs, everybody wins.

[AdahnGorion]

Originally posted by Tubey:

Originally posted by AdahnGorion:

This is not an RPG. This is an Action Adventure with light RPG elements, with a situational sandbox.. you can´t and should not compare this to aRPG´s or cRPG´s

Won't reply to all to avoid wall of text, but it absolutely is an action RPG. Indeed the original was one of the best executed RPGs ever made. To say it just has 'light RPG elements' is a baffling to me!

I disagree. But that is because the termonology is so broad. There is "to me" no statbasings and overall structure to your engagement in the world.. hence its more focused on the Action and Adventure aspects (there are plenty of overlap mechanics, features and so forth from those genres to RPG genre)

But I understand why some might call it a light aRPG.. I just rather go with the Action Adventure (genres that the developer also list themselves)

[Nikonos]

Originally posted by Tyrolean Ritter:

Seems like everyone is gay given a long enough timeline.

That will become a problem for Bohemia, demographically.
Ah well, there were no kids in KCD1 anyway.

[Hawara]

Originally posted by Tubey:

Originally posted by Hawara:

Bisexual doesn't exist, it's gay. If you get sexual arousal from looking at your own sex = gei.

Ah, so if you're attracted to men it's literally impossible to be attracted to women too?

Are bi people just pretending then?

Ridiculous. This is why people scorn legit concerns with DEI etc. because it attracts dumb takes like this one alongside them.

No not bi people are pretending. Homosexuals who only go for the same sex are pretending when in reality they are all bi and i fact even more. Or in other words it's a mere choice they made. They are not all of a sudden naturally disgusted by the same sex like a normal straight person.

[Curente]

Originally posted by Lord Freedom:

Seeing vague discussions but no specifics. Is Henry being gay canon now or something?

Update: I have canceled my preorder

No. Henry is not gay, bi, or even heterosexual.

Henry is you. You control Henry, plain and simple—no big deal there.

It’s exactly like in Baldur's Gate 3. You decide. You are yourself, and you can do whatever you want.

[Tubey]

Originally posted by Crow:

Originally posted by Tubey:

Henry isn't that; he's a continuation of a character in-lore with parameters set by the first game and by the developers themselves.

Yes, and he's still the same character he was before, so what's the problem? This time you have more OPTIONS to shape him better to your personal preferences, but you don't have to, it's your choice. You have your Henry, others have theirs, everybody wins.

The problem, alongside Musa, is that it hasn't been done to serve the creative process - it's been done to inject an agenda, to tick DEI tickboxes, and in it's own set universe the options don't make sense, because the protagonist is established as straight and no black people would have been around at the time of the game.

The proof of this is in the many, many statements from Vavra previously and the work of Warhorse in the previous game, when that wasn't a factor.

People have - rightly - had enough of that at this point. So when considering buying an RPG, to be pulled out of the immersion before you even boot it up is irksome to say the least.

I have zero issues with gay/black characters in games - where they make sense narratively and creatively.

[Scribbles707]

Originally posted by Lord Freedom:

Seeing vague discussions but no specifics. Is Henry being gay canon now or something?

Update: I have canceled my preorder

Good! No one should support shady studios and developers.

[Nikonos]

Originally posted by Curente:

No. Henry is not gay, bi, or even heterosexual.

Let's hope Bianca, Lady of Talmberg or Theresa never hear of this!
They might come after you with a double-handed sword (min strength = 15) they inherited from a humanist scholar in Ghana.

[Madi92]

Originally posted by Tubey:

Originally posted by Crow:

Yes, and he's still the same character he was before, so what's the problem? This time you have more OPTIONS to shape him better to your personal preferences, but you don't have to, it's your choice. You have your Henry, others have theirs, everybody wins.

The problem, alongside Musa, is that it hasn't been done to serve the creative process - it's been done to inject an agenda, to tick DEI tickboxes, and in it's own set universe the options don't make sense, because the protagonist is established as straight and no black people would have been around at the time of the game.

The proof of this is in the many, many statements from Vavra previously and the work of Warhorse in the previous game, when that wasn't a factor.

People have - rightly - had enough of that at this point. So when considering buying an RPG, to be pulled out of the immersion before you even boot it up is irksome to say the least.

I have zero issues with gay/black characters in games - where they make sense narratively and creatively.

Google it up, black ppl in medieval times.

Yes, whole towns full of black ppl would be bad, but one guy traveling with an invading army? That's even interesting imo, if done good.

This is the same about being gay, if you want you can, but then maybe ppl will not speak with you or it has some backlash. As long as it's an option, why do we care?
Every single game has this stuff init. As long as it's not required I'm fine.

Even so, if I'm playing a women protagonist, I as a male, don't want to be romancing males I games, so even better if we have a choice.

[Crow]

Originally posted by Nikonos:

Ah, Fallout, that other Great Medieval Simulator.

Nice straw man argument, but no. It's not about the setting, it's about understanding what RPG mechanics are and how they allow the player to shape their character and the world around them.

Options in an RPG exist FOR THE PLAYER, not for the character. It's not the character who considers them in his head, the player does.

When you have 2 options:
- Hug her
- Bite her head off and gouge out her eyes

it doesn't mean your character is a psychopath who is actually considering them. Only you, as the player, see them, and they are not part of the game's world until you decide so.

These are the very basic principles of how RPG games work.

[It was made up]

Henry is gay. They changed him to be so. Now the only honest debate is whether or not you want him to act upon it in your playthrough. The standard dialogue in the game will cater to this being a possibility.

[Tubey]

Originally posted by Madi92:

Originally posted by Tubey:

The problem, alongside Musa, is that it hasn't been done to serve the creative process - it's been done to inject an agenda, to tick DEI tickboxes, and in it's own set universe the options don't make sense, because the protagonist is established as straight and no black people would have been around at the time of the game.

The proof of this is in the many, many statements from Vavra previously and the work of Warhorse in the previous game, when that wasn't a factor.

People have - rightly - had enough of that at this point. So when considering buying an RPG, to be pulled out of the immersion before you even boot it up is irksome to say the least.

I have zero issues with gay/black characters in games - where they make sense narratively and creatively.

Google it up, black ppl in medieval times.

Yes, whole towns full of black ppl would be bad, but one guy traveling with an invading army? That's even interesting imo, if done good.

This is the same about being gay, if you want you can, but then maybe ppl will not speak with you or it has some backlash. As long as it's an option, why do we care?
Every single game has this stuff init. As long as it's not required I'm fine.

Even so, if I'm playing a women protagonist, I as a male, don't want to be romancing males I games, so even better if we have a choice.

Musa, or anyone of his race, was not a possibility in the time period the game is definitively set in. They looked for someone within 100 years they could shove in to tick the box.

It is what it is. AC: Shadows did the same with Yasuke, but KCD2 is somehow even less plausible historically.

For most games, it wouldn't be an issue, but with KCD1 pushing hard on historical accuracy, it made it an issue.

[Nikonos]

Originally posted by Crow:

Originally posted by Nikonos:

Ah, Fallout, that other Great Medieval Simulator.

Nice straw man argument, but no. It's not about the setting, it's about understanding what RPG mechanics are and how they allow the player to shape their character and the world around them.

Options in an RPG exist FOR THE PLAYER, not for the character. It's not the character who considers them in his head, the player does.

When you have 2 options:
- Hug her
- Bite her head off and gouge out her eyes

it doesn't mean your character is a psychopath who is actually considering them. Only you, as the player, see them, and they are not part of the game's world until you decide so.

These are the very basic principles of how RPG games work.

Not all games are the same. KCD doesn't need to comply to other games.

[Hawara]

The thing is normal men don't wanna even see this ♥♥♥♥. I don't wanna play a game and immersive myself and all of a sudden i have to decide between gay or not gay as a character.