The ani-DEI movement is becoming a self-parody...

[Ruin]

As much as I support removing obvious examples of DEI and "woke" content from games, the histrionic, and hysterical, over-the-top reaction to the prospect of gay characters, a black character, and the prospect of Henry having (optional, and player driven) gay romance is literally demonstrating that a huge percentage of the anti-DEI movement are as emotionally fragile, hyper-sensitive snowflakes as the bluehaired TikTok Libs, that everyone loves to mock...

It really is reaching a level where the anti-DEI movement will become a similar self-parody as the radical left, and their meltdowns over insignificant nothings...

People need to unward their panties more than just a bit, and grow up alot...

[REBirthTheEdge]

Originally posted by Ruin:

Originally posted by REBirthTheEdge:

FO New Vegas is not really friggin' gay, you barely even know characters are gay, and some are played for humor.

The matter here is not the character is gay, it's:
1. They are turning an established straight character gay.
2. They hide this crap until it's leaked like 20 days before release.

Oh? Really? You played, didn't you?

Veronika (companion) is bi, and was in love with a woman...

Arcade Gannon (companion) is gay, and will NOT enter into romance with a female protagonist

The female leader of The Thorn is a lesbian, and female protagonists can sleep with her -- male protagonists are rebuffed

There is a female soldier at the main camp who constantly hits on the female protagonist, but hates the male protagonist as she was abused by raiders...

There are literally character traits that give you special gay/lesbian dialogue options...

There are other gay NPC's, which I cannot remember off the top of my head, but the game is the most gay FO to date...

You don't even know Veronica is gay/bi whatever until you get the expansion, even then background dialog.
There's exactly ONE dialog about Arcade being gay, it's a throw away line.

And really, random characters being gay and not sleeping with you, that's really friggin' gay?

Am I missing something here?

[Cpt Beefheart]

And now, a lot of people who tried it are talking about how insanely awesome this game is. We're gonna have one of the greatest rpgs in years.
But the ragers, who most of them are mad just because someone on the internet told them too, are gonna miss out. Sucks to be those guys.

[Tyrolean Ritter]

Like pottery:

That didn't happen ---- "The leaks are fake!"
And if it did, it wasn't that bad ---- "Even if its real, its not a big part of the game!"
And if it was, that's not a big deal ---- "Ok so what its real, its not a big deal!"
And if it is, it's not my fault ---- "He was forced to add it!"
And if it was, I didn't mean it ---- "It's your choice!"
And if I did, you deserved it ---- "Cry more CHUD!"

[REBirthTheEdge]

Originally posted by Ruin:

Originally posted by REBirthTheEdge:

Henry suddenly going gay IS very utterly ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ weird to me.

Ok... Then ignore that as an option, because if you find your Henry going down on another dude, YOU actively pursued that given the hurdles you had to jump, and speech checks you had to pass in order to pursue romance with Stephanie and Theresa in KCD1...

If you actively pursuit, it means Henry is suddenly going gay with available dialog options.
If another male tries to "seduce" Henry, and Henry accepts it, it's grooming.

This ♥♥♥♥ is bad/disgusting no matter how you slice it.
Hell, you can't even explain it, Henry just decides to ♥♥♥♥ around after nailing like 3 chicks in the first place?

[DaniTheHero]

It's actually quite depressing that what started as a movement of rational and reasonable people, that simply didn't want Modern politics crammed into their games such as- Forced LGBT inclusion in EVERY game, blackwashing/gender swapping characters, ahistorical representation, Type A type B stuff, Unattractive female characters, and generally a pushback to the obvious disdain for Straight male Gamers, to being completed co-opted by literal Nazi's that can't write a sentence without spewing sewage towards Jews.

I don't know what made all these 4chan dwellers so open and brazen on public forums now days, but it's rather shocking and concerning.

[Gibbel]

Originally posted by REBirthTheEdge:

Originally posted by Ruin:

Oh? Really? You played, didn't you?

Veronika (companion) is bi, and was in love with a woman...

Arcade Gannon (companion) is gay, and will NOT enter into romance with a female protagonist

The female leader of The Thorn is a lesbian, and female protagonists can sleep with her -- male protagonists are rebuffed

There is a female soldier at the main camp who constantly hits on the female protagonist, but hates the male protagonist as she was abused by raiders...

There are literally character traits that give you special gay/lesbian dialogue options...

There are other gay NPC's, which I cannot remember off the top of my head, but the game is the most gay FO to date...

You don't even know Veronica is gay/bi whatever until you get the expansion, even then background dialog.
There's exactly ONE dialog about Arcade being gay, it's a throw away line.

And really, random characters being gay and not sleeping with you, that's really friggin' gay?

Am I missing something here?

When Mass Effect and Fallout: New Vegas were released, the focus was on the story and experience, and no one really cared about the diverse content. People just enjoyed the games. Now, though, the same content is often seen as part of a "bigger agenda." It wasn’t a big deal back then, but now we're more aware of it, and the backlash is much stronger. We're also starting to see this agenda pushed more and more in new content.
It's why people are starting to push-back.

[Lordofriva]

Originally posted by DaniTheHero:

It's actually quite depressing that what started as a movement of rational and reasonable people, that simply didn't want Modern politics crammed into their games such as- Forced LGBT inclusion in EVERY game, blackwashing/gender swapping characters, ahistorical representation, Type A type B stuff, Unattractive female characters, and generally a pushback to the obvious disdain for Straight male Gamers, to being completed co-opted by literal Nazi's that can't write a sentence without spewing sewage towards Jews.

I don't know what made all these 4chan dwellers so open and brazen on public forums now days, but it's rather shocking and concerning.

That is exactly what this is though.

That literally nazis use the fact that Vavra is a jew is sad to see but report and move on.

There is no shift from people opposing the woke identity politics to agreeing with the right wing identity politics and if there would be, It's to be fought the exact same way.

[Ruin]

Originally posted by Lordofriva:

Originally posted by Ruin:

FO New Vegas is really, REALLY, frikken gay... Yet no one cared... It would be destroyed as "woke" if it was released today, yet I still hear people claiming it's the best FO game ever made... Why is it treated differently?

That should make you think if gamers, to this day, hold up New Vegas as a cult classic, why would henry being gay in itself be the problem?

The issue is that he was retconned from being "straight, not bi, not gay" because Warhorse "don't want to portray him as such" according to offizial response of "Dr.Fusselpulli" who moderates the boards here and now claims it was bidget constraints.

Also that Vavra said "there are no black people in medieval bohemia, period"

That and hiding this, lying about this and attacking their supporters.

If you are anti-woke as you claim, it is easy to see that they a) pander and (even if you don't agree with a) b) They are attacking the gamers because of political issues.

That alone is more than reason enough for what is happening currently, which is informing people that the studio bent the knee (or if you prefer that: Attacks their customers) and demanding they stop this behavior.

Like I said above, Henry was a naive blacksmith's son... A "moment of revelation" could redirect things for him for those people who want to pursue that... As long as it's not forced onto players, I see no problems with it...

Vavra saying there are no black people in Bohemia, was in reference to KCD1, which is basically one hamlet compared to the rumoured size of the map in KCD2, and a major trading town like Kuttenberg would attract people from all over the known world...

If the kings of the Holy Roman Empire can have Norse (Viking) personal guards in Constantinople at around the same time, a black man travelling across the Mediterranean to a major city is really not a stretch...

Until such time as we see some confirm there's a scene where Henry is lectured about "pulling a Barve", I just think people need to cool their jets, because the histrionics are getting out of hand...

And, how can I be anti-DEI, yet still be comfortable with gay characters (including the option of a gay Henry), and a black a character?

Simple.. I do not like forced diversity... But the world is naturally diverse... If a game reflects that natural diversity, then I'm fine with gay characters, gay romance options, and a black characters, provided they fit the game's setting, and aren't being shoe horned in simply to tick boxes...

In a game where Henry can literally partake in almost every sin you can imagine, including becoming part of a demonic summoning ritual, I'm almost surprised there wasn't a gay romance option because, let's face it, for all his womanising, Capon absolutely swings both ways I reckon...

[Ruin]

Originally posted by REBirthTheEdge:

Originally posted by Ruin:

Ok... Then ignore that as an option, because if you find your Henry going down on another dude, YOU actively pursued that given the hurdles you had to jump, and speech checks you had to pass in order to pursue romance with Stephanie and Theresa in KCD1...

If you actively pursuit, it means Henry is suddenly going gay with available dialog options.
If another male tries to "seduce" Henry, and Henry accepts it, it's grooming.

This ♥♥♥♥ is bad/disgusting no matter how you slice it.
Hell, you can't even explain it, Henry just decides to ♥♥♥♥ around after nailing like 3 chicks in the first place?

So, some guy hits on you in a place known for gay activity, and you're there willingly? That's grooming is it?

It's not grooming... He's not a child for one thing... And you chose for him to be there... WTF are you talking about?

What a ridiculous thing to even suggest, and what a way to completely trivialise a real problem that actually does happen of adults taking advantage of children...

[Zoommeeting]

A true parody is declaring the MC straight in the first game then making him a forced sodomite in the second. That is the parody.

[DaniTheHero]

Originally posted by Lordofriva:

Originally posted by DaniTheHero:

It's actually quite depressing that what started as a movement of rational and reasonable people, that simply didn't want Modern politics crammed into their games such as- Forced LGBT inclusion in EVERY game, blackwashing/gender swapping characters, ahistorical representation, Type A type B stuff, Unattractive female characters, and generally a pushback to the obvious disdain for Straight male Gamers, to being completed co-opted by literal Nazi's that can't write a sentence without spewing sewage towards Jews.

I don't know what made all these 4chan dwellers so open and brazen on public forums now days, but it's rather shocking and concerning.

That is exactly what this is though.

That literally nazis use the fact that Vavra is a jew is sad to see but report and move on.

There is no shift from people opposing the woke identity politics to agreeing with the right wing identity politics and if there would be, It's to be fought the exact same way.

I'm as right wing as they come, I literally went to work (as a non American) with a Trump hat when he won.
I hate a lot of the whole woke garbage that is being pushed on us in media that has ruined our favorite shows and games and of course the catastrophic results of Liberal/Left wing politicians.

These Nazi's are not right wingers or conservatives, just a bunch of actual racists that give normal people a bad rep.

[Lordofriva]

Originally posted by Ruin:

If the kings of the Holy Roman Empire can have Norse (Viking) personal guards in Constantinople at around the same time, a black man travelling across the Mediterranean to a major city is really not a stretch...

Yeah, no. Pretending "bohemia" is refering to the area around Skalitz instead of, you know, Bohemia, sounds very dishonest to me.

It's fine, you can have your beliefs, I think your post does not reflect an accurate perception of what is going on and mirrors exactly the arguments the woke defenders of this situation use.

I tried, can't change the mind of someone who has his mind made up.

[Ruin]

Originally posted by REBirthTheEdge:

Originally posted by Ruin:

Oh? Really? You played, didn't you?

Veronika (companion) is bi, and was in love with a woman...

Arcade Gannon (companion) is gay, and will NOT enter into romance with a female protagonist

The female leader of The Thorn is a lesbian, and female protagonists can sleep with her -- male protagonists are rebuffed

There is a female soldier at the main camp who constantly hits on the female protagonist, but hates the male protagonist as she was abused by raiders...

There are literally character traits that give you special gay/lesbian dialogue options...

There are other gay NPC's, which I cannot remember off the top of my head, but the game is the most gay FO to date...

You don't even know Veronica is gay/bi whatever until you get the expansion, even then background dialog.
There's exactly ONE dialog about Arcade being gay, it's a throw away line.

And really, random characters being gay and not sleeping with you, that's really friggin' gay?

Am I missing something here?

Ummm... No, she tells you pretty openly if you ask about her past... She tells you the Brotherhood were upset that she was in a lesbian relationship, because it would result in no children...

[REBirthTheEdge]

Originally posted by Ruin:

Originally posted by REBirthTheEdge:

If you actively pursuit, it means Henry is suddenly going gay with available dialog options.
If another male tries to "seduce" Henry, and Henry accepts it, it's grooming.

This ♥♥♥♥ is bad/disgusting no matter how you slice it.
Hell, you can't even explain it, Henry just decides to ♥♥♥♥ around after nailing like 3 chicks in the first place?

So, some guy hits on you in a place known for gay activity, and you're there willingly? That's grooming is it?

It's not grooming... He's not a child for one thing... And you chose for him to be there... WTF are you talking about?

What a ridiculous thing to even suggest, and what a way to completely trivialise a real problem that actually does happen of adults taking advantage of children...

Pardon, he's in Central Catholic Bohemia, where being gay is a sin!
About the grooming part, I have this exact feeling of disgust when I got hit by the gay copman in CP2077, like ♥♥♥♥ that ♥♥♥♥ man.

And yes, while Henry is a grown ass man, trying to turn him gay sounds disturbing to me.

[Frieren Enjoyer]

How is it a self parody for customers to complain about a product whose publishers seemed to try to hide the fact that it included content whose inclusion goes against the series identity and a core promise of the series that had been explicitly stated in an unambigious manner years ago by the game director and remained the case up until very recently when the same game director suddenly took the opposite stance when confirming the leaks and trying to justify this material? Then this same game developer pulled an Elon and cried about "racist bots" when criticised for it. If anything, the only one that is a parody of himself here is Vavra.