Please devs give us a happy romantic ending with Rosa

[CloudKira]

Her leaving by the end makes it too much of a downer ending.

Why can't they be together? :(

Or at least give her two endings: the current one and a happier/much more satisfying one if we make some really good choices.

Please...?

[Dansoprazole]

By the end, Rosa’s family has lost everything and needs a fresh start. Given his inability to pay a dowry anymore, Rosa’s father should be thrilled that a nobleman’s son took interest in her.

Henry is Radzig’s only son, and bumps elbows with more esteemed nobles than anyone else in Bohemia.

[Biggus_Dikkus]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von ProRic:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Biggus_Dikkus:

Commoner Henry has zero prospects for a noblewoman.
Case closed.
Besides she is too much Disney princess for him.

He can argue for legitimised bastard - which since he singlehandedly solves all the problems of the world and Radzig has no heirs in game seems like a reasonable call.

However Henry is not legitimized bastard at this point, and not likely to be in the future.
This topic was never raised by Radzig

[Dansoprazole]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Biggus_Dikkus:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von ProRic:

He can argue for legitimised bastard - which since he singlehandedly solves all the problems of the world and Radzig has no heirs in game seems like a reasonable call.

However Henry is not legitimized bastard at this point, and not likely to be in the future.
This topic was never raised by Radzig

Considering there are far more unrealistic speech checks in the game, we should have the option to make Rosa’s father see sense.

Henry has:

1. A nobleman father.
2. Deflowered Ruthard’s daughter.

Considering the situation, it’d be in Lord Ruthard’s best interest to give his blessing to the young couple.

[CloudKira]

^ Pretty much.

With some creativity its possible to let the Rosa romance route to end up more fulfilling than what we got.

We cannot even interact with her after completing the main quest unlike with Katherine or even Hans.

Even with Theresa we can get a happy ending.

Why was Rosa singled out where there are plenty enough options to set up the relationship somehow?

[Dansoprazole]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von CloudKira:

^ Pretty much.

With some creativity its possible to let the Rosa romance route to end up more fulfilling than what we got.

We cannot even interact with her after completing the main quest unlike with Katherine or even Hans.

Even with Theresa we can get a happy ending.

Why was Rosa singled out where there are plenty enough options to set up the relationship somehow?

Honestly, after finishing the game, I don't view Rosa as an option anymore. As she leaves, she gives Henry a kiss on the cheek and says "maybe we'll meet again".

On the other hand, Katherine confesses that Henry is the only man she's felt safe opening up to since her husband's death, everyone Henry cares about approves of the couple, and Henry himself talks about Theresa as though she no longer matters the most to him, telling Katherine that he might tell her about Theresa someday.

Not all romance options are equal within the game, and Katherine is the only woman who's given a similar amount of thematic importance to Henry as Theresa was in the first game.

[Darth Revan]

her staying would not make much sense, she is a woman and thus needs the approval of her father to stay.

and thats not gonna happen, she is too valuable as a tool for a political marriage after all regardless if she wants to or not.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von CloudKira:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von spartakisteqc:

It's highly unlikely that her father would let Rosa marry a commoner man-at-arm with no title, no estate and who isn't even a wealthy burgher. If Henry finally is made a legitimized bastard by Sir Radzig, that might give him a chance. But until then, Henry has very little prospect.

Then it leaves 2 options:

1) Devs let us make Henry a legitimized bastard by Sir Radzig removing the "He is a mere commoner!" issue.

2) Devs allow for the option to make Rosa fall so madly in love with Henry that she decides to elope with him leaving her noble life behind.

2 is not really an optoin realistically, the only legal way for her escaping what her father wants her to do is to join a monistary and become a nun

if she just runs away with henry they would have to go somewhere wehre her father cant find them and that would not fit to the story at all.

[Dansoprazole]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Darth Revan:

her staying would not make much sense, she is a woman and thus needs the approval of her father to stay.

and thats not gonna happen, she is too valuable as a tool for a political marriage after all regardless if she wants to or not.

The devs were too wishy-washy with the portrayal of Rosa's romance, honestly. Henry shouldn't have the option to say he wants to settle down with Rosa if it's not possible to discuss obtaining Lord Ruthard's blessing before they leave Suchdol.

Henry is a master manipulator by the end of the game, but can't convince a newly-destitute lower Lord to realize that he's never going to get a better offer for his daughter's hand than the son of the Skalitz Lord and the pride of all Sazava?

Nah, I think the devs didn't want Rosa to be a real romance option, but threw a silly unrealistic option in at the end when you tell your parents in a dream that you'll settle down with someone and you can pick Rosa even though Katherine is a more solid option.

[CloudKira]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Dansoprazole:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Darth Revan:

her staying would not make much sense, she is a woman and thus needs the approval of her father to stay.

and thats not gonna happen, she is too valuable as a tool for a political marriage after all regardless if she wants to or not.

The devs were too wishy-washy with the portrayal of Rosa's romance, honestly. Henry shouldn't have the option to say he wants to settle down with Rosa if it's not possible to discuss obtaining Lord Ruthard's blessing before they leave Suchdol.

Henry is a master manipulator by the end of the game, but can't convince a newly-destitute lower Lord to realize that he's never going to get a better offer for his daughter's hand than the son of the Skalitz Lord and the pride of all Sazava?

Nah, I think the devs didn't want Rosa to be a real romance option, but threw a silly unrealistic option in at the end when you tell your parents in a dream that you'll settle down with someone and you can pick Rosa even though Katherine is a more solid option.

Pretty much.

Via building enough reputation, having enough charisma and enough money Henry is a pretty desirable bride already.

With him already deflowered Rosa on top of that the only way to save the family's "honor" is to bend the rules a bit and let them marry.

The devs could make this relationship work with only a bit of effort and creativity.

[vovik86]

Rosa seems way too smart and manipulative for a simple peasant like Henry so it would almost certainly be a miserable relationship. And Katherine is old enough to be Henry's mother, you filthy degenerates. Stick with your favorite mill wench Theresa.

[CloudKira]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von vovik86:

Rosa seems way too smart and manipulative for a simple peasant like Henry so it would almost certainly be a miserable relationship. And Katherine is old enough to be Henry's mother, you filthy degenerates. Stick with your favorite mill wench Theresa.

But Theresa might always feel like a silver medal to the gold medalist Bianca. :(

[Sir Reginald Wittberg]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von spartakisteqc:

It's highly unlikely that her father would let Rosa marry a commoner man-at-arm with no title, no estate and who isn't even a wealthy burgher. If Henry finally is made a legitimized bastard by Sir Radzig, that might give him a chance. But until then, Henry has very little prospect.

Her father literally bought his way to noblehood. There’s zero reason that the bastard son of a noble who is a local hero in every meaning of the word couldn’t become worthy of his daughter.

[Darth Revan]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Sir Reginald Wittberg:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von spartakisteqc:

It's highly unlikely that her father would let Rosa marry a commoner man-at-arm with no title, no estate and who isn't even a wealthy burgher. If Henry finally is made a legitimized bastard by Sir Radzig, that might give him a chance. But until then, Henry has very little prospect.

Her father literally bought his way to noblehood. There’s zero reason that the bastard son of a noble who is a local hero in every meaning of the word couldn’t become worthy of his daughter.

there is plenty of reason, regardless if he bought his title or not he is a noble now and thus can marry his daughter to another noble family wich owns land themslefes and secure an alliance with them by doing that for example.

[vovik86]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von CloudKira:

But Theresa might always feel like a silver medal to the gold medalist Bianca. :(

Poor Bianca never had a chance. Her relationship was reduced to a dialogue choice that gives a small bonus to a dump stat. And both Henry and Martin couldn't stop staring at Theresa's shaking booty even before Bianca was conveniently stabbed to death.

[Darth Revan]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Dansoprazole:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Darth Revan:

her staying would not make much sense, she is a woman and thus needs the approval of her father to stay.

and thats not gonna happen, she is too valuable as a tool for a political marriage after all regardless if she wants to or not.

The devs were too wishy-washy with the portrayal of Rosa's romance, honestly. Henry shouldn't have the option to say he wants to settle down with Rosa if it's not possible to discuss obtaining Lord Ruthard's blessing before they leave Suchdol.

Henry is a master manipulator by the end of the game, but can't convince a newly-destitute lower Lord to realize that he's never going to get a better offer for his daughter's hand than the son of the Skalitz Lord and the pride of all Sazava?

Nah, I think the devs didn't want Rosa to be a real romance option, but threw a silly unrealistic option in at the end when you tell your parents in a dream that you'll settle down with someone and you can pick Rosa even though Katherine is a more solid option.

well, i mean love can get you to have unrealistic wishes or ideas.

but depending on what his responsibilities allow after the events of the story is over he theoretically could travel to the location they went to see rosa again

[Xan84]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von CloudKira:

Her leaving by the end makes it too much of a downer ending.

Why can't they be together? :(

Or at least give her two endings: the current one and a happier/much more satisfying one if we make some really good choices.

Please...?

They are going to put out some DLCs. Don't listen to the people saying Henry has no chance at it, its a game, devs can do anything they want. His father and/or the other nobles can even make him a full on noble for his actions. Henry can be made into a knight or who knows what else. One of the DLCs hopeful is going to be something like Blood and Whine from Witcher 3.