End of Story

[Tar-Mairon]

Despite some opinions from the creators, I have the feeling that Henry's story is not over. Of course, if we are talking about his story in the context of revenge and what he started in the first part, we can say that it is definitely over. Henry took revenge, regained his sword and, to some extent, inner peace. However, the ending of KCD2 leaves so many unsaid, so many important threads open, that in my opinion, people who say that his story is over probably did not play the same game. Of course, we can assume that this is the end, but I am sure, after reading several discussions here and on reddit, that many players feel a lot of dissatisfaction when it comes to some threads. KCD2 still leaves the question of what happened to Henry next - Eric is still alive, and we can be 100% sure that he will seek revenge. Despite the fact that Henry became Capon's best friend and was a key person in the last few months, despite the fact that he showed incredible intellect and fighting skills, despite the fact that he saved several important nobles, turned out to be the bastard of one of the king's most trusted men, the game leaves the question of whether he became a knight or Radzik recognized him as a son completely open. Heck, no one can tell me that this question escaped the creator, after all ISTVAN laughs at Henry in his sleep that despite all his achievements, his father is not eager to give him his last name.

In my opinion, a great opportunity for the conclusion of this story would be the possibility of saving the king from captivity. Honestly, I don't see any other better option in the plot of the next game than the issue of saving the king and the definitive ending of Henry's story. For example, Witcher 3 solved it brilliantly, summarizing the player's choices, decisions, romances and how it all affected the world and what the main character did next. In KCD2, we only have the end of Henry's revenge and that's it, all other threads are not summarized in any way.

It reflects particularly well the way the love threads are presented here (I will completely ignore the thread with Capon). We meet Catherine at the beginning of the game, but the thread of some kind of relationship with her does not appear until practically the end of the game and in my opinion it is a bit too rushed. On the other hand, we have Rose. We meet her in the second half of the game and to be honest, too little time was devoted to this relationship. You bring her a book, pretend she is smart, do not murder peasants and do not threaten to burn down the tower and that is enough XD. Compared to how Teresa's storyline was presented in the first part, there is definitely a strong sense of dissatisfaction. Let's ignore that, but none of these choices carry any consequences or rewards (apart from touching Rose's thorns). When we ask her about it, we get the answer that in 99% nothing will come of it because Henry is only the son (bastard but still son) of the king's friend, the commander of his troops, Capon's squire, and his merits (saving her family twice and many, many more) don't really count XD

Of course, in both cases (Rose and Catherine) the issue of having a romance with them does not carry any consequences or give access to any interactions. In the first part we could at least go on a date with Teresa from time to time and she would fix our clothes and she clearly stated that Henryk was forbidden from going to the bathroom for certain purposes or it was over.

In my opinion, several very important threads were simply left completely unfinished, or at least in such a state that we could say that Henryk's story is still incomplete.

[BigChern]

I completely agree with your take on the future of KCD. From my perspective, the story of KCD2 was Henry's journey of moving past his pursuit for revenge and finally getting closure about his family. I fail to see how people think this marks the end of Henry's story, if anything I think it is just beginning(hopefully).

The overall ending was left very open, and I think this was done on purpose. This might have been Warhorse's way of gauging if people would want a KCD3, but after 2's success I think it is inevitable. Also, in the game, the war is still very much ongoing with Radzig and Hanush practically immediately leave the region with the army. This can explain why we don't see much closure about Henry being knighted, legitimized, etc.. as there is simply to much going on. I personally see these events happening during a future DLC or a hopefully the inevitable KCD3(let's pray).

While we already have 3 DLC planned(the painter, blacksmith, and monastery DLCs) these all seem sort of minor. I hope we get at least 2 more DLC, one that covers Hans's wedding and maybe one where we work with Zizka.

Similar to what you said, I would like to see KCD3 cover the events of the allied forces liberating Prague. Historically, Wenceslas escapes from Vienna and with the help of John of Lichtenstein, flees to Kuttenberg to convene his allies. I'd like the game to start with Henry, Hans, and the rest of the Devils gang being called to Kuttenberg. This is when I'd like to see Henry officially be recognized by either being knighted by Hans(will have inheritance now that he is married) or being legitimized by Radzig. Following this, the allies move to take Prague with Erik and Otto Von Bergow being the main enemies. I'm not sure how much actually happens during all this historically so it would probably need some embellishment and creative liberty from Warhorse to make it a full fledged game.

Many expect KCD3 to cover the Hussite Wars but I simply don't see this happening. To start, the Hussite wars are 16 years after KCD2. I think that is too much of a time gap for the story to have proper continuity(KCD2 takes place mere weeks after KCD1). I also don't see Warhorse making Henry and Hans enemies if they do end up going to the Hussite wars as the sub plot of each game is their friendship. Instead, I think a far future KCD title would cover the Hussite wars where we play as Hans son with Henry being our mentor/trainer.

I really do hope they add more epilogue content to the game , maybe a massive story expansion that is a direct continuation of the main KCD2 events, similar to what Witcher3 did. I was really disappointed that when you return the the Devils Den the story is completely done. You literally cannot talk to any ally NPCs which makes the ending feel really empty to me. Like you said, this makes the relationship choices you made during the game feel sort of pointless as there is now way to even interact with any of the partners anymore.

[Tar-Mairon]

Originally posted by BigChern:

I completely agree with your take on the future of KCD. From my perspective, the story of KCD2 was Henry's journey of moving past his pursuit for revenge and finally getting closure about his family. I fail to see how people think this marks the end of Henry's story, if anything I think it is just beginning(hopefully).

The overall ending was left very open, and I think this was done on purpose. This might have been Warhorse's way of gauging if people would want a KCD3, but after 2's success I think it is inevitable. Also, in the game, the war is still very much ongoing with Radzig and Hanush practically immediately leave the region with the army. This can explain why we don't see much closure about Henry being knighted, legitimized, etc.. as there is simply to much going on. I personally see these events happening during a future DLC or a hopefully the inevitable KCD3(let's pray).

While we already have 3 DLC planned(the painter, blacksmith, and monastery DLCs) these all seem sort of minor. I hope we get at least 2 more DLC, one that covers Hans's wedding and maybe one where we work with Zizka.

Similar to what you said, I would like to see KCD3 cover the events of the allied forces liberating Prague. Historically, Wenceslas escapes from Vienna and with the help of John of Lichtenstein, flees to Kuttenberg to convene his allies. I'd like the game to start with Henry, Hans, and the rest of the Devils gang being called to Kuttenberg. This is when I'd like to see Henry officially be recognized by either being knighted by Hans(will have inheritance now that he is married) or being legitimized by Radzig. Following this, the allies move to take Prague with Erik and Otto Von Bergow being the main enemies. I'm not sure how much actually happens during all this historically so it would probably need some embellishment and creative liberty from Warhorse to make it a full fledged game.

Many expect KCD3 to cover the Hussite Wars but I simply don't see this happening. To start, the Hussite wars are 16 years after KCD2. I think that is too much of a time gap for the story to have proper continuity(KCD2 takes place mere weeks after KCD1). I also don't see Warhorse making Henry and Hans enemies if they do end up going to the Hussite wars as the sub plot of each game is their friendship. Instead, I think a far future KCD title would cover the Hussite wars where we play as Hans son with Henry being our mentor/trainer.

I really do hope they add more epilogue content to the game , maybe a massive story expansion that is a direct continuation of the main KCD2 events, similar to what Witcher3 did. I was really disappointed that when you return the the Devils Den the story is completely done. You literally cannot talk to any ally NPCs which makes the ending feel really empty to me. Like you said, this makes the relationship choices you made during the game feel sort of pointless as there is now way to even interact with any of the partners anymore.

yeah, you basicaly romance Rosa(as i said it should have more story coz right now it feels rushed)or Kate and thats it. You dont even get lets say a letter from Rosa after her arrival to her family or any interaction at all. KCD2 aimed to be a game of the year and while it have some flaws and bugs, I cant deny its a great game. However if you want to make a great game you still need to reward players for doing some choices. In witcher 3 you had Triss or Yen move to your new mansion(yeah little interaction afterwars but both of them had ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of story in base game so you can forgive that).

[halfmonkey]

Guaranteed: the Henry actor (Tom McKay) doesn't give one squirt of piss what you think.

[Tar-Mairon]

Originally posted by halfmonkey:

Guaranteed: the Henry actor (Tom McKay) doesn't give one squirt of piss what you think.

No one cares what you think too

[gEo47]

I thought Rosa, during the hesit at the Italian place, aske das for some books, but never had the option to give her the books ? Anyone else experienced that?

[Raywhisper]

There sre three story dlcs planned, so we will see where these expand on current narative. I can see tge plot of the third game revolve about getting Wenceslaz out of capfure and on the throne where he remains to aproximately 1415, so we know that all the shenanigans we did in first two games were not pointless.

One thing i can say tho - if there is going to be third game, there has to be ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Prague in it. Like come on.

[EricHVela]

KCD2 was a continuation of KCD1. Maybe there'll be another Kingdom Come with a different secondary title. Maybe, Henry will return as an NPC or as a main character or not at all.

I have no impressions of what will happen to the KC franchise from here.

[makbthemf]

Originally posted by Tar-Mairon:

Despite some opinions from the creators, I have the feeling that Henry's story is not over. Of course, if we are talking about his story in the context of revenge and what he started in the first part, we can say that it is definitely over.

Nobody ever stated that the whole story of the character would end in KCD2. Only the story of Jindřich's revenge, which was promised to Kickstarter donors in 2014.

[makbthemf]

Originally posted by Tar-Mairon:

the game leaves the question .... or Radzik recognized him as a son

I know the answer: no, IRL Racek had only two legal children. Warhorse likes to make some artistic licenses to the historical events, but not such.

Originally posted by Tar-Mairon:

It reflects particularly well the way the love threads are presented here .... We meet Catherine at the beginning of the game...

There's no "relationship" between Katerina and Jindřich, just poor women who see her dead husband\son in Jindro. It's very cruel to scratch her scars.

Originally posted by Tar-Mairon:

Compared to how Teresa's storyline was presented in the first part, there is definitely a strong sense of dissatisfaction.

You mean Tereza, who clearly stated that she doesn't love Jindro and is with him only because he's the only one who left from her previous life?

Originally posted by Tar-Mairon:

When we ask her about it, we get the answer that in 99% nothing will come of it because Henry is only the son (bastard but still son) of the king's friend

Who made that answer? Could you provide a link if the developers are involved?
Racek Kobyla is a Royal Hetman - the analog of France's Royal Marschal, not just a "friend of the king".

[TheCooterPolluter]

Originally posted by gEo47:

I thought Rosa, during the hesit at the Italian place, aske das for some books, but never had the option to give her the books ? Anyone else experienced that?

She just tells you to make the most of your time there and that you should check out Wenceslas‘ library

[Zizo]

Originally posted by BigChern:

I completely agree with your take on the future of KCD. From my perspective, the story of KCD2 was Henry's journey of moving past his pursuit for revenge and finally getting closure about his family. I fail to see how people think this marks the end of Henry's story, if anything I think it is just beginning(hopefully).

The overall ending was left very open, and I think this was done on purpose. This might have been Warhorse's way of gauging if people would want a KCD3, but after 2's success I think it is inevitable. Also, in the game, the war is still very much ongoing with Radzig and Hanush practically immediately leave the region with the army. This can explain why we don't see much closure about Henry being knighted, legitimized, etc.. as there is simply to much going on. I personally see these events happening during a future DLC or a hopefully the inevitable KCD3(let's pray).

While we already have 3 DLC planned(the painter, blacksmith, and monastery DLCs) these all seem sort of minor. I hope we get at least 2 more DLC, one that covers Hans's wedding and maybe one where we work with Zizka.

Similar to what you said, I would like to see KCD3 cover the events of the allied forces liberating Prague. Historically, Wenceslas escapes from Vienna and with the help of John of Lichtenstein, flees to Kuttenberg to convene his allies. I'd like the game to start with Henry, Hans, and the rest of the Devils gang being called to Kuttenberg. This is when I'd like to see Henry officially be recognized by either being knighted by Hans(will have inheritance now that he is married) or being legitimized by Radzig. Following this, the allies move to take Prague with Erik and Otto Von Bergow being the main enemies. I'm not sure how much actually happens during all this historically so it would probably need some embellishment and creative liberty from Warhorse to make it a full fledged game.

Many expect KCD3 to cover the Hussite Wars but I simply don't see this happening. To start, the Hussite wars are 16 years after KCD2. I think that is too much of a time gap for the story to have proper continuity(KCD2 takes place mere weeks after KCD1). I also don't see Warhorse making Henry and Hans enemies if they do end up going to the Hussite wars as the sub plot of each game is their friendship. Instead, I think a far future KCD title would cover the Hussite wars where we play as Hans son with Henry being our mentor/trainer.

I really do hope they add more epilogue content to the game , maybe a massive story expansion that is a direct continuation of the main KCD2 events, similar to what Witcher3 did. I was really disappointed that when you return the the Devils Den the story is completely done. You literally cannot talk to any ally NPCs which makes the ending feel really empty to me. Like you said, this makes the relationship choices you made during the game feel sort of pointless as there is now way to even interact with any of the partners anymore.

No, unfortunately we do not get more. Devs confirm, these announced DLC are everything and done. Byt the end of this year they want to be done with adding things to KcD 2 and mainly focus on nee project/s.

So no need to hope for any other DLCs etc.
They also said this supposed to be a final chapter for Henrys story. So most probably we will not see this character ever again. Or at least not as playable character.
We can only think what would happend after:)

And problem you have with Hussite wars, 16 years gap a problem? Not at all. On the other hand that is good.
Why it would needs to be connected to Kc2 story? No need.

For examole, they use Zizka (much older) and create nee dtory, with our new main character. No Henry, no Hans, etc. Totally different lad and that is completely okay. 🙂

But who knows, what project they will make. Medieval or not. We will see in 4-5years from now. 🙂