The confusing situation with the homosexual change to Henry and Capon.

[uppercase_BANG]

What I wonder the most about this situation is that it's a situation in the first place.

I've played tons of KCD 1 and never once did I think that war horse would ever make a change towards Henry's sexuality. He was a straight, Christian, male who was a almost adult who grew up being a blacksmith with zero influence to become gay or what ever you may call it now.

He had or could have had multiple relationships with different female characters. Bianca was a ale house woman who clearly had a budding relationship with henry that got to the point of sex. After she died, henry found solace and comfort with Theresa, going so far to having sex with her as well. He also ended up with Stephanie, the lady of Talmberg and had a 1 night stand that turned to her getting pregnant with Henry's son which was confirmed as a canon event in KCD2. He also had multiple chances through out KCD 1 and 2 to have sexual relations with bath house wenches, Christine, Rosa and multiple other women. Not only this, but Henry NEVER showed any attraction with ANY of the male characters from KCD 1. To be honest, when I saw the option to romance Capon, I was completely surprised. It made no sense and completely circumnavigated my expectations of Henry's character and his over all possible actions or choices.

Worse yet, Capon was a friend to Henry. Throughout the entirety of KCD 1 and a good portion of 2 was a bro meet bro friendship where there was never even a thought that they may end up gay. This is where I get a tad confused about KCD 1 and 2. It just seems like a out of no where switch of a lever from a pre-established Henry to some fully different character that is wearing Henry's face. I don't think the game is woke for this. I just think that Henry would NEVER end up doing something like becoming gay out of no where. Especially with how much back ground there is proving to the contrary.

I still play KCD 2 and 1 and would never forsake these amazing and well made games for something so trivial and avoidable as this, I just think it shouldn't have happened in the first place. Never mind Henry never becoming gay, but Capon is even more straight than Henry. He is a straight, male son of a well respected now late lord. He has had multiple cases of him going down to the bath house in Rattay and getting up to sexual hijinks over there at most, or drink the night away with bath house wenches at his arm at the least. Multiple times in the story of KCD 1 and 2 are there quests or even just half mentions of him doing just this. Even when he is getting traded off to have a pre-organized marriage to some noble woman, he consecutively states how he wants to just have fun and desires women. So I have no clue how the hell he would ever just hit a switch and have gay romance with another character who also had to have just randomly switched as well.

Never mind any of this, just picture this: your home town is razed to the ground and burned, your parents and love are slaughtered and most of everyone you know who survived are wounded and or mentally scarred. All this and guess what? One of the dudes who was responsible for this travesty was reportedly gay. Istvan Toth was gay towards Erik. THE dude who you are so hell bent towards throwing away your honour and innocence towards taking revenge and killing the guys. If this isn't a clear reason not to become gay, I don't know what is.

Anyways, this is my take on the weird and confusing situation. What are your thoughts?

[Forblaze]

Oh my god who cares just let henry be gay

[DaniTheHero]

This is one of many elements in the game that clearly pander to "modern" audiences, compromising historical authenticity.

Kingdom Come: Deliverance was committed to providing an authentic and historically accurate experience.

Kingdom Come: Deliverance 2, however, treats its medieval setting as little more than a backdrop. The game contains noticeable 2025 social commentary and modernized dialogue that detracts from the historical immersion that defined its predecessor.

[uppercase_BANG]

Originally posted by Forblaze:

Oh my god who cares just let henry be gay

Yeah I thought about just ignoring it, but I'm just too invested into KCD 1 and now 2 to do as such. But, thanks for your input. I feel like most people feel the same way as you.

[uppercase_BANG]

Originally posted by DaniTheHero:

This is one of many elements in the game that clearly pander to "modern" audiences, compromising historical authenticity.

Kingdom Come: Deliverance was committed to providing an authentic and historically accurate experience.

Kingdom Come: Deliverance 2, however, treats its medieval setting as little more than a backdrop. The game contains noticeable 2025 social commentary and modernized dialogue that detracts from the historical immersion that defined its predecessor.

That could be one of the main reasons. I believe it is either far more than that, or simply because they think that it would get them more money from bigger entities for going with the crowd.

[Pilda]

Have you ever heard about paragraphs?

[Xan84]

Use paragraph man and its obvious they where forced to put i in. He was not gay in the first game and they even confirmed it back in the day, now he is gay because "reasons". At least you can 100% skip it so I don't care. It was never a problem in my game.

[uppercase_BANG]

Originally posted by Xan84:

Use paragraph man and its obvious they where forced to put i in. He was not gay in the first game and they even confirmed it back in the day, now he is gay because "reasons". At least you can 100% skip it so I don't care. It was never a problem in my game.

You're right about the paragraph. I fixed it. Anyways, thanks for the input. I agree with you on them being forced to put it in for either further compensation or what ever else. I'm glad they allowed us to skip it. It wasn't a problem when I was doing a play-through in the game, it really only became a problem when I thought about it more. Though it did confuse me at first when I saw the first option to romance Capon.

[tempest]

Game released in 2025
what do you expect

[car broiled steaks]

why don't you just not do that part then buddy

[bbyhighness]

I mean, regarding the last paragraph, Henry also met Lucas, who was perfectly pleasant guy and Henry had a chance to be kind to him about his orientation. Plus, plenty of awful people are straight and it doesn't mean people who know them stop being straight to not be like that person. Yes, I understand, that certain people at that time could have seen different sexual orientations as a sign that person is evil and connect it through that, but since you can choose for Henry to be accepting, I don't think that would be a problem here.

Also, bisexuality exists and people can figure out things about themselves over time and through different experiences. The fact that Henry dated and slept with women doesn't mean he can't be interested in a man.

I understand your arguments though and how the switch seems sudden. I personally don't have a problem with it as this is still just an option for the player if they can fit their into their narrative and their view of Henry. It's completely valid and ok if you can't.

[withered_turtle]

Originally posted by uppercase_BANG:

What I wonder the most about this situation is that it's a situation in the first place.

I've played tons of KCD 1 and never once did I think that war horse would ever make a change towards Henry's sexuality. He was a straight, Christian, male who was a almost adult who grew up being a blacksmith with zero influence to become gay or what ever you may call it now.

He had or could have had multiple relationships with different female characters. Bianca was a ale house woman who clearly had a budding relationship with henry that got to the point of sex. After she died, henry found solace and comfort with Theresa, going so far to having sex with her as well. He also ended up with Stephanie, the lady of Talmberg and had a 1 night stand that turned to her getting pregnant with Henry's son which was confirmed as a canon event in KCD2. He also had multiple chances through out KCD 1 and 2 to have sexual relations with bath house wenches, Christine, Rosa and multiple other women. Not only this, but Henry NEVER showed any attraction with ANY of the male characters from KCD 1. To be honest, when I saw the option to romance Capon, I was completely surprised. It made no sense and completely circumnavigated my expectations of Henry's character and his over all possible actions or choices.

Worse yet, Capon was a friend to Henry. Throughout the entirety of KCD 1 and a good portion of 2 was a bro meet bro friendship where there was never even a thought that they may end up gay. This is where I get a tad confused about KCD 1 and 2. It just seems like a out of no where switch of a lever from a pre-established Henry to some fully different character that is wearing Henry's face. I don't think the game is woke for this. I just think that Henry would NEVER end up doing something like becoming gay out of no where. Especially with how much back ground there is proving to the contrary.

I still play KCD 2 and 1 and would never forsake these amazing and well made games for something so trivial and avoidable as this, I just think it shouldn't have happened in the first place. Never mind Henry never becoming gay, but Capon is even more straight than Henry. He is a straight, male son of a well respected now late lord. He has had multiple cases of him going down to the bath house in Rattay and getting up to sexual hijinks over there at most, or drink the night away with bath house wenches at his arm at the least. Multiple times in the story of KCD 1 and 2 are there quests or even just half mentions of him doing just this. Even when he is getting traded off to have a pre-organized marriage to some noble woman, he consecutively states how he wants to just have fun and desires women. So I have no clue how the hell he would ever just hit a switch and have gay romance with another character who also had to have just randomly switched as well.

Never mind any of this, just picture this: your home town is razed to the ground and burned, your parents and love are slaughtered and most of everyone you know who survived are wounded and or mentally scarred. All this and guess what? One of the dudes who was responsible for this travesty was reportedly gay. Istvan Toth was gay towards Erik. THE dude who you are so hell bent towards throwing away your honour and innocence towards taking revenge and killing the guys. If this isn't a clear reason not to become gay, I don't know what is.

Anyways, this is my take on the weird and confusing situation. What are your thoughts?

Not reading all of that drivel, but I will say I made it through KCD2 without Henry banging a single dude. He's only gay if you make him so. Such a silly thing to whine about.

[uppercase_BANG]

Originally posted by bbyhighness:

I mean, regarding the last paragraph, Henry also met Lucas, who was perfectly pleasant guy and Henry had a chance to be kind to him about his orientation. Plus, plenty of awful people are straight and it doesn't mean people who know them stop being straight to not be like that person. Yes, I understand, that certain people at that time could have seen different sexual orientations as a sign that person is evil and connect it through that, but since you can choose for Henry to be accepting, I don't think that would be a problem here.

Also, bisexuality exists and people can figure out things about themselves over time and through different experiences. The fact that Henry dated and slept with women doesn't mean he can't be interested in a man.

I understand your arguments though and how the switch seems sudden. I personally don't have a problem with it as this is still just an option for the player if they can fit their into their narrative and their view of Henry. It's completely valid and ok if you can't.

Valid. I haven't met this Lucas guy in my play-throughs. I guess that would be what you may call it, BI? But I just can't wrap my head around the randomness and seemingly sudden change with that. Even though it was indeed a near death experience for Capon and Henry, it still seemed like a complete stretch for both characters to have such a change. Thanks for your input.

[uppercase_BANG]

Originally posted by withered_turtle:

Originally posted by uppercase_BANG:

What I wonder the most about this situation is that it's a situation in the first place.

I've played tons of KCD 1 and never once did I think that war horse would ever make a change towards Henry's sexuality. He was a straight, Christian, male who was a almost adult who grew up being a blacksmith with zero influence to become gay or what ever you may call it now.

He had or could have had multiple relationships with different female characters. Bianca was a ale house woman who clearly had a budding relationship with henry that got to the point of sex. After she died, henry found solace and comfort with Theresa, going so far to having sex with her as well. He also ended up with Stephanie, the lady of Talmberg and had a 1 night stand that turned to her getting pregnant with Henry's son which was confirmed as a canon event in KCD2. He also had multiple chances through out KCD 1 and 2 to have sexual relations with bath house wenches, Christine, Rosa and multiple other women. Not only this, but Henry NEVER showed any attraction with ANY of the male characters from KCD 1. To be honest, when I saw the option to romance Capon, I was completely surprised. It made no sense and completely circumnavigated my expectations of Henry's character and his over all possible actions or choices.

Worse yet, Capon was a friend to Henry. Throughout the entirety of KCD 1 and a good portion of 2 was a bro meet bro friendship where there was never even a thought that they may end up gay. This is where I get a tad confused about KCD 1 and 2. It just seems like a out of no where switch of a lever from a pre-established Henry to some fully different character that is wearing Henry's face. I don't think the game is woke for this. I just think that Henry would NEVER end up doing something like becoming gay out of no where. Especially with how much back ground there is proving to the contrary.

I still play KCD 2 and 1 and would never forsake these amazing and well made games for something so trivial and avoidable as this, I just think it shouldn't have happened in the first place. Never mind Henry never becoming gay, but Capon is even more straight than Henry. He is a straight, male son of a well respected now late lord. He has had multiple cases of him going down to the bath house in Rattay and getting up to sexual hijinks over there at most, or drink the night away with bath house wenches at his arm at the least. Multiple times in the story of KCD 1 and 2 are there quests or even just half mentions of him doing just this. Even when he is getting traded off to have a pre-organized marriage to some noble woman, he consecutively states how he wants to just have fun and desires women. So I have no clue how the hell he would ever just hit a switch and have gay romance with another character who also had to have just randomly switched as well.

Never mind any of this, just picture this: your home town is razed to the ground and burned, your parents and love are slaughtered and most of everyone you know who survived are wounded and or mentally scarred. All this and guess what? One of the dudes who was responsible for this travesty was reportedly gay. Istvan Toth was gay towards Erik. THE dude who you are so hell bent towards throwing away your honour and innocence towards taking revenge and killing the guys. If this isn't a clear reason not to become gay, I don't know what is.

Anyways, this is my take on the weird and confusing situation. What are your thoughts?

Not reading all of that drivel, but I will say I made it through KCD2 without Henry banging a single dude. He's only gay if you make him so. Such a silly thing to whine about.

Well, if you read a single thing I talked about you may have seen that I didn't whine and was genuinely attempting to understand the situation by talking about it with others. Anyways, if you've got nothing else to say, I will just consider this non-conversation concluded.

[DangerRanger]

Yeah, it feels very forced, the only reason it's there is to pander to people who like that kind of option in an RPG. Which is fine and all, yet it doesn't make sense plot wise with Henry and Hans specifically, not to mention the time period. It doesn't matter if you can choose to avoid it, it plain doesn't make sense.

As you said, both Henry and Hans have been with several women at minimum, potentially dozens including bathhouse wenches from both KCD1 and 2.

Them being good Christians is also a point. Homosexuality was no doubt looked down upon as a sin during that time and considered sodomy, and religion was a huge deal.

I play Baldur's Gate 3 and don't have a single issue with the way things are there. It's a fantasy world and the characters haven't already been established and thus can't contradict themselves.

[dAb]

While the option itself doesn’t bother me one bit, the simple truth is they added it to cater to a modern audience that doesn’t even play their games. Nobody asked for this except the loud, toxic minority who once blamed KCD1 for not being inclusive. No actual KCD1 player ever wanted this. It’s just another product of the stupid woke era, which thankfully is finally coming to an end. It's simple as that.