"Hans Capon" about homophobic comments: Guys, grow up, just grow up, man

[er.tz]

Six months ago, in a streaming video, the actor who plays Hans Capon (Luke Dale) mentioned that thanks to the game, he received a lot of fan art, which he posted online. Some of the fan art had homoerotic content featuring Henry and him. Here’s what he had to say about certain comments that the images received:

Starting from minute 7:19.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHxhd2tUZKc

(…) I posted some of the art that´s been sent to me over many many years. There was a lot of art that came out during first game and was sent to me, you know, some of it was of a homoerotic nature, wich it is fine if people want to send me that absoluteyly no problem at all. But then i had all these homophobes in the comments, not many i must say, but a few of them and i was like, guys, grow up, just grow up man, like come on, be serious, are you really like being weirded out by gays?, it is 2024, like chill the () up, all right, love is love (). I found that quite amusing. (...)

[emblask]

Originally posted by Cosmic Sea:

Originally posted by RNG Enjoyer:

Phobia means "irrational fear". There is no and never was an irrational fear in this matter. There is a different feeling that can be named, but again, no one will say it out loud.

Or do you really think that when a straight guy watches a netlix show and then suddenly two guys start to make out for no reason and he looks away it's an "irrational fear" he's feeling and not something far more mundane?

Hatred, sexual insecurity usually.

say that then, if that is what you mean, instead of using a redefined word meant to imply that not liking a certain thing is the equivalent of walking into an elevator and getting a panic attack because the surrounding space is too small (to stifle discussion)

you could call it anti-lgbt or sexual bigotry if you want, it is not a phobia

[Hybernian]

He must be gay too.

[DaciValt]

For guys that glorify places like Sparta you certainly would not have lasted very long there when it comes to how gay they were.

[Mumblez]

Has there actually been complaints since the age patch? seems like its died down

[Cosmic Sea]

Originally posted by Mumblez:

Has there actually been complaints since the age patch? seems like its died down

I think you're the only one I've seen talking about the age thing tbh

[Kalderus]

No one is complaining about the gay hermit hand to hand combat grandmaster. Probably because he's a new character with no established backstory and identity. If Hans had been established to be gay or bi in the first game (or had at least been suspected to be gay/bi historically) then almost no one would have a problem. I think the bigger issue is retroactively changing his identity, no different than randomly deciding Dumbledore was gay 7 books later.

[Mumblez]

Originally posted by Cosmic Sea:

Originally posted by Mumblez:

Has there actually been complaints since the age patch? seems like its died down

I think you're the only one I've seen talking about the age thing tbh

I mean this was everyone I saw complaining WAS because of the age, which was patched, so now hans is 21.

[Mr.Gold]

Originally posted by Kalderus:

No one is complaining about the gay hermit hand to hand combat grandmaster. Probably because he's a new character with no established backstory and identity. If Hans had been established to be gay or bi in the first game (or had at least been suspected to be gay/bi historically) then almost no one would have a problem. I think the bigger issue is retroactively changing his identity, no different than randomly deciding Dumbledore was gay 7 books later.

Good God you people are relentless. It is a purely optional path that is perfectly framed in historical context that gives players more options. I mean it isn't even that Hans is gay. Or Henry. A little bit bi curious for Hans or you can make Henry gay. You make it so. It is not "cabin" get a grip. It is an option... In an RPG. Jesus Christ! What is your problem? Because honestly this canonicity argument doesn't stick. At all!

[Bukkacracy]

Originally posted by KutarFOX:

Originally posted by Bukkacracy:

Being an actor is the lowest profession. There is a reason the Romans made actors leave the city with the prostitutes during votes and religious rituals. Caring what actors think or do is a sign you may be simple minded.

I’m not criticizing anyone, but I have to agree with this. In general, actors are only popular when they are popular, but they hold no authority and have no more credibility than any random internet user.

And they only do what's popular when its popular. Its extremely rare you see an actor/actress take a stand on anything that isn't the flavor of the month hot button issue. You will almost never see a real hot take or principled stance taken by one even if its what they actually believe unless they're nearing or at the end of their careers. Actor is literally a synonym for liar. They'll take stances on helping to stop climate change or #metoo and then everyone always acts shocked when they learn they own mansions with the carbon footprint and energy bills amounting to an entire suburban neighborhood or were buddy buddy with Weinstein or on Epsteins fly list.

Its always in their interest to lie and go wherever the current zeitgeist is blowing. How they get paid quite literally depends on them acting this way. Despite the similarity calling them prostitutes is insulting to prostitutes. A prostitute is probably not as dishonest as an actor. I'm glad you see the truth.

I do not and nor should anyone else care about the opinions of someone who's paid to hold said opinions.

[Kalderus]

Originally posted by Mr.Gold:

Originally posted by Kalderus:

No one is complaining about the gay hermit hand to hand combat grandmaster. Probably because he's a new character with no established backstory and identity. If Hans had been established to be gay or bi in the first game (or had at least been suspected to be gay/bi historically) then almost no one would have a problem. I think the bigger issue is retroactively changing his identity, no different than randomly deciding Dumbledore was gay 7 books later.

Good God you people are relentless. It is a purely optional path that is perfectly framed in historical context that gives players more options. I mean it isn't even that Hans is gay. Or Henry. A little bit bi curious for Hans or you can make Henry gay. You make it so. It is not "cabin" get a grip. It is an option... In an RPG. Jesus Christ! What is your problem? Because honestly this canonicity argument doesn't stick. At all!

Except the argument does stick. All you've done is use ad hominem and strawman attacks but not in any way proven your point. I personally don't even care of it's in the game, I'm merely just trying to make sense of why people disliked the choice and honestly it does boil down to randomly altering a character's identity. Can you present any evidence from the first game or historically that Hans was gay/bi? If this was someone who historically was highly suspected to be gay/bi, like King James I/VI (England/Scotland), then it would probably be accepted quite well.

A similar example of a bi character being mostly accepted without accusations of the media being "woke" was Captain James Flint in Black Sails. He was a fictional character sure, but he had no established identity or sexual orientation, and his identity actually added quite well to the narrative.

[Nixter]

This game has the LGBTQ tag on steam, this game is banned in Saudi Arabia, enough said

[Mr.Gold]

Originally posted by Kalderus:

Originally posted by Mr.Gold:

Good God you people are relentless. It is a purely optional path that is perfectly framed in historical context that gives players more options. I mean it isn't even that Hans is gay. Or Henry. A little bit bi curious for Hans or you can make Henry gay. You make it so. It is not "cabin" get a grip. It is an option... In an RPG. Jesus Christ! What is your problem? Because honestly this canonicity argument doesn't stick. At all!

Except the argument does stick. All you've done is use ad hominem and strawman attacks but not in any way proven your point. I personally don't even care of it's in the game, I'm merely just trying to make sense of why people disliked the choice and honestly it does boil down to randomly altering a character's identity. Can you present any evidence from the first game or historically that Hans was gay/bi? If this was someone who historically was highly suspected to be gay/bi, like King James I/VI (England/Scotland), then it would probably be accepted quite well.

A similar example of a bi character being mostly accepted without accusations of the media being "woke" was Captain James Flint in Black Sails. He was a fictional character sure, but he had no established identity or sexual orientation, and his identity actually added quite well to the narrative.

I only made and hominems? No... I did call you morons or similar but I explained exactly what this means in game and that the argument of canonicity is baseless as we had never have Henry or Capin's sexuality established except for a single tweet from someone from the PR team. And even so, if authors decided to change his mind in favour of player agency, what is wrong about that? And it still does not establish canonicity. And we can nitpick about historicity all day long but there are far more egregious examples like for instance, Markvart Von Aulitz being alive and not... You know, dead. Or Radzig having no bastard's that we know of or many, many other things that would be far more relevant than if Hans Capon ever crossed swords or used to ride his page's tail.

[FruitBat Man]

Originally posted by Bukkacracy:

Being an actor is the lowest profession. There is a reason the Romans made actors leave the city with the prostitutes during votes and religious rituals. Caring what actors think or do is a sign you may be simple minded.

But you do. You care that the scene exists by said actors. You care a lot

[Alasdair]

"if you have moral standards I disagree with grow up."

ad hom. lol he even said the current year.

[Nathmathics]

Originally posted by Mr.Gold:

Originally posted by Kalderus:

Except the argument does stick. All you've done is use ad hominem and strawman attacks but not in any way proven your point. I personally don't even care of it's in the game, I'm merely just trying to make sense of why people disliked the choice and honestly it does boil down to randomly altering a character's identity. Can you present any evidence from the first game or historically that Hans was gay/bi? If this was someone who historically was highly suspected to be gay/bi, like King James I/VI (England/Scotland), then it would probably be accepted quite well.

A similar example of a bi character being mostly accepted without accusations of the media being "woke" was Captain James Flint in Black Sails. He was a fictional character sure, but he had no established identity or sexual orientation, and his identity actually added quite well to the narrative.

I only made and hominems? No... I did call you morons or similar but I explained exactly what this means in game and that the argument of canonicity is baseless as we had never have Henry or Capin's sexuality established except for a single tweet from someone from the PR team. And even so, if authors decided to change his mind in favour of player agency, what is wrong about that? And it still does not establish canonicity. And we can nitpick about historicity all day long but there are far more egregious examples like for instance, Markvart Von Aulitz being alive and not... You know, dead. Or Radzig having no bastard's that we know of or many, many other things that would be far more relevant than if Hans Capon ever crossed swords or used to ride his page's tail.

clearly you never played the first game, henry and hans are super straight and you would have to be socially inept to think otherwise