The historian tells the truth about Musa from Mali.

[Колбаска]

As I have said many times, the first part of the game is extremely popular in Russia, and of course many people were waiting for the second part.

In this video, a real historian talks about KCD2 from a historian's point of view and how well the game allows you to experience the atmosphere of that time. The video is really interesting and worth watching because modern technology allows you to receive information in any language.

But this topic would not have happened if it weren't for Musa, who had set his teeth on edge. I've given you a link with a timecode for those who don't want to watch the whole video, so watch and enjoy.
https://youtu.be/l_GRp4WJudw?t=3426

In short, the appearance of Musa in that place and at that time tends to 0%, and even the historian is sure that Wavra succumbed to such an adventure because of the money for development.

If you have a video of historians from your country, I will be happy to watch it.

If you are interested in a short retelling, then the game is good, but not without flaws, and he recommended playing it.

[alka]

Originally posted by Sir Reginald Wittberg:

Wanting historical accuracy in your IP that was popular originally because of its painstaking attention to historical detail is rACiSt

KCD1 was historically accurate in some aspects and wildly fictional in others. The same as KCD2. Some people, for their own reasons, whatever they may be, just have more problems with some of the fictionalised aspects of KCD2.

[Sir Reginald Wittberg]

Originally posted by alka:

Originally posted by Sir Reginald Wittberg:

Wanting historical accuracy in your IP that was popular originally because of its painstaking attention to historical detail is rACiSt

KCD1 was historically accurate in some aspects and wildly fictional in others. The same as KCD2. Some people, for their own reasons, whatever they may be, just have more problems with some of the fictionalised aspects of KCD2.

The first game had embellishments at worst. The second game is what you'd describe as "wildly" fictitious.

Casting aside criticisms of Musa as purely being racist is a lazy way of not engaging with genuine critiques of the handling of his character.

[Hellsteeth30]

I imagine there was a good few black folk who weren't noted, bearing in mind few could read and write.

[Raywhisper]

Oh no. I guess I will go play avowed instead, so scared of Musa...

[Ratch]

Notice how OP ignores the posts recounting Ibn Battuta. Dude isn't interested in honest history. Mali -> Algeria, Morocco, Tunisia, Libya, Egypt. From there you are in the midst of massive trade routes and a stone's throw from Europe. Ibn Battuta traveled farther than Mali to Bohemia 70-100 years before this game is set. How the hell, then, do you justify "tends to zero?"

I agree that Blackrock/USAID/WEF whatever money was the driving force behind Musa's inclusion however it's not beyond the pale that a man like Musa could have been there. Both things can be true at the same time, it's crazy.

[MrMinMax]

Zhukov is not a historian, he is a sci-fi writer, communist and Russian chauvinist. His blog is entertaining for masses of uneducated, but taking him seriously is ill advised.

[makbthemf]

Originally posted by MrMinMax:

Zhukov is not a historian, he is a sci-fi writer, communist and Russian chauvinist. His blog is entertaining for masses of uneducated, but taking him seriously is ill advised.

Zhukov is actually a historian - he writes articles and is quite renowned as a medievalist even outside the former USSR, but his main scientific interest is weapons and armor, not culture. But all his side activities you mentioned (and you forgot that he is also a historical reenactor and alcoholic) - don't make him less historian :-)

[Maxz85]

Originally posted by alka:

Enough problems with 'expert historians' in the real world. I'd be happy if they stayed out of video games.

truth

[Maxz85]

Originally posted by Колбаска:

Originally posted by Strobe:

KCD2 is as historical as Witcher.

The funny thing is that there were no blacks in the Witcher)))

have you played Hearts of Stone DLC for The Witcher 3? You never went to Runewright?

[Pocket Dog]

Originally posted by Колбаска:

Originally posted by alka:

Enough problems with 'expert historians' in the real world. I'd be happy if they stayed out of video games.

There's enough politics in the real world as it is, why don't woke adherents stop poking their noses into games first?

'Woke' adherents can do as they like, particularly the devs, as this game is their creation. You, in turn, have the option not to play the game if a Black person in a videogame bothers you this much. You also have the option of choosing not to be a racist.

Also, with regard to the historical context, congratulations on the cherry picking. Any other logical fallacies you'd like to indulge in?

[Haddon]

Originally posted by Hellsteeth30:

I imagine there was a good few black folk who weren't noted, bearing in mind few could read and write.

These aren't black people, but are incredibly important Muslims who didn't get mentioned in European writing at all until centuries later.
ibn Rashid isn't mentioned in a single European piece of writing for almost a century after he lived...unless you count the Muslims in Spain as European writing.
ibn Fadlan made it up to Russia and Sweden, and isn't mentioned in a single extant European piece of writing.
ibn Battuta is only mentioned briefly as having made it to Constantinople during a period where the Muslims were taking Anatolia, and isn't mentioned by name.
There are a number of others as well who simply aren't mentioned anywhere in European texts.
This same Russian guy has used this same argument repeatedly, and ignores anything that I (a historian) have given him.
These people do not care about history. It is just racism. If a Mongol was in the game, they wouldn't care at all. If Musa was Iranian, they wouldn't care. They honestly probably wouldn't say a single thing if Musa was a distant cousin of Timur and made it there from Merv or Samarkand. They would take no issue with a Greenlander in Bohemia. They probably wouldn't even care if someone from the Tughluq was there. They only, ONLY care because Musa is from Mali.

[Haddon]

Originally posted by makbthemf:

Originally posted by MrMinMax:

Zhukov is not a historian, he is a sci-fi writer, communist and Russian chauvinist. His blog is entertaining for masses of uneducated, but taking him seriously is ill advised.

Zhukov is actually a historian - he writes articles and is quite renowned as a medievalist even outside the former USSR, but his main scientific interest is weapons and armor, not culture. But all his side activities you mentioned (and you forgot that he is also a historical reenactor and alcoholic) - don't make him less historian :-)

Zhukov is only a historian because he is an ardent nationalist and from the USSR; in any country where facts matter, he would not be.

[Grandstrategy87]

Originally posted by Колбаска:

As I have said many times, the first part of the game is extremely popular in Russia, and of course many people were waiting for the second part.

In this video, a real historian talks about KCD2 from a historian's point of view and how well the game allows you to experience the atmosphere of that time. The video is really interesting and worth watching because modern technology allows you to receive information in any language.

But this topic would not have happened if it weren't for Musa, who had set his teeth on edge. I've given you a link with a timecode for those who don't want to watch the whole video, so watch and enjoy.
https://youtu.be/l_GRp4WJudw?t=3426

In short, the appearance of Musa in that place and at that time tends to 0%, and even the historian is sure that Wavra succumbed to such an adventure because of the money for development.

If you have a video of historians from your country, I will be happy to watch it.

If you are interested in a short retelling, then the game is good, but not without flaws, and he recommended playing it.

You're wasting your time. These people will never admit that musa is just a dei insert. I can't wait to see what woke crap is going to be in KCD3 7 years from now.

[Malum]

Originally posted by corthew:

Nah. A historian saying a fictional game character doesn't match historic accounts of fictional game characters just seems like more racist straw clutching.

No, it doesn't and you knew that when you were typing this false accusation.

Instead, it comes across (to everyone) exactly as it is... An expert explaining reality to those who are allergic to it.

[Maxz85]

Originally posted by Haddon:

Originally posted by makbthemf:

Zhukov is actually a historian - he writes articles and is quite renowned as a medievalist even outside the former USSR, but his main scientific interest is weapons and armor, not culture. But all his side activities you mentioned (and you forgot that he is also a historical reenactor and alcoholic) - don't make him less historian :-)

Zhukov is only a historian because he is an ardent nationalist and from the USSR; in any country where facts matter, he would not be.

Zhukow is the same tier of a "historian" as Putin and Lukaszenka are, a fraud financed by the russian government.