The historian tells the truth about Musa from Mali.

[Колбаска]

As I have said many times, the first part of the game is extremely popular in Russia, and of course many people were waiting for the second part.

In this video, a real historian talks about KCD2 from a historian's point of view and how well the game allows you to experience the atmosphere of that time. The video is really interesting and worth watching because modern technology allows you to receive information in any language.

But this topic would not have happened if it weren't for Musa, who had set his teeth on edge. I've given you a link with a timecode for those who don't want to watch the whole video, so watch and enjoy.
https://youtu.be/l_GRp4WJudw?t=3426

In short, the appearance of Musa in that place and at that time tends to 0%, and even the historian is sure that Wavra succumbed to such an adventure because of the money for development.

If you have a video of historians from your country, I will be happy to watch it.

If you are interested in a short retelling, then the game is good, but not without flaws, and he recommended playing it.

[corthew]

Nah. A historian saying a fictional game character doesn't match historic accounts of fictional game characters just seems like more racist straw clutching.

[Lemur]

I don't need videos of "historians" clutching their pearls because Musa's backstory in no way breaks immersion when you're actually playing the game. It's only you culture warriors who are, ironically, scared of even a single conversation with someone of another culture.

[makbthemf]

Sorry, but you're lying - Klym Sanych states "theoretically it was possible" (58:10) that's enogh for fictional historical piece of art.

[Колбаска]

Originally posted by makbthemf:

Sorry, but you're lying - Klym Sanych states "theoretically it was possible" (58:10) that's enogh for fictional historical piece of art.

He also said that the percentage of possible tends to zero. That is, it is practically impossible, since he would simply have been captured or killed on the way. So I described everything correctly.

[YzzSC]

A russian historian? Right....well he must have a field day with everyone speaking english then in the base game?

Also its not a farfetched idea that some few traveled throughout Europe that came from the south, and Mali was at the time way larger than it is today with a coastline, so travel along the coast up to Europe was not really that hard.

[corthew]

Originally posted by Колбаска:

Originally posted by makbthemf:

Sorry, but you're lying - Klym Sanych states "theoretically it was possible" (58:10) that's enogh for fictional historical piece of art.

He also said that the percentage of possible tends to zero. That is, it is practically impossible, since he would simply have been captured or killed on the way. So I described everything correctly.

"tends to zero"?
LOL
The possibility of Native Americans showing up in Europe in the 1500s could "tend to zero" if Manteo and Wanchese had been brought there by anyone other than Walter Raleigh.
The possibility of Marco Polo travelling to the orient could "tend to zero" if he hadn't written about his travels.
"tend to zero" is the same as "I don't think so but I can't prove it".

[makbthemf]

Originally posted by Колбаска:

He also said that the percentage of possible tends to zero. That is, it is practically impossible, since he would simply have been captured or killed on the way. So I described everything correctly.

Like the percentage of possibility that a blacksmith boy was able to ride a horse in the 15th century. Hence, if the KCD1 were 100% historically correct - Jindřich would be dead at the beginning of the quest "Run!" and all events of KCD1 and 2 would never happen. Google what "artistic license" is.

And there are more artistic licenses in KCD1 and 2 plots which were not very possible IRL:
1) An abandoned bastard would be recognized by his noble father after 18-20 years.
2) Or that he would be educated in politics, after being raised as a blacksmith.
3) Or that he would become a sword and mace master in 2-3 months - the length of events of KCD1.
4) Or that he would sleep with Ritter's daughter in the 15th century.

But you don't have problems with those artistic licenses, do you? So maybe the problem is not in historical inaccuracy, but your's racism?

[Колбаска]

Originally posted by makbthemf:

Originally posted by Колбаска:

He also said that the percentage of possible tends to zero. That is, it is practically impossible, since he would simply have been captured or killed on the way. So I described everything correctly.

Like the percentage of possibility that a blacksmith boy was able to ride a horse in the 15th century. Hence, if the KCD1 were 100% historically correct - Jindřich would be dead at the beginning of the quest "Run!" and all events of KCD1 and 2 would never happen. Google what "artistic license" is.

And there are more artistic licenses in KCD1 and 2 plots which were not very possible IRL:
1) An abandoned bastard would be recognized by his noble father after 18-20 years.
2) Or that he would be educated in politics, after being raised as a blacksmith.
3) Or that he would become a sword and mace master in 2-3 months - the length of events of KCD1.
4) Or that he would sleep with Ritter's daughter in the 15th century.

But you don't have problems with those artistic licenses, do you? So maybe the problem is not in historical inaccuracy, but your's racism?

You're substituting concepts. With a tendency to zero probability, the Russian throne could be occupied by a black man. According to you, can this serve as a reason to do so if Netflix suddenly starts making films about Russia?

I've already gotten used to the fact that woke adherents are hypocritical. At first, they shout that it could be historical and that it was. But as soon as they are presented with evidence that this is not the case, they immediately begin to say that this is a game and you can fantasize there.

Just admit that Musa and the gay branch were introduced to receive money from investors. And this is finding more and more evidence.

[expertknobtwiddlers]

Seeing some of these comments have restored some of my faith in humanity. I love seeing this community push back against racism.

[󠀡󠀡]

Medieval europe imported ivory, ebony wood and other valuable materials from africa. So why is it so hard to imagine that someone like Musa would hang along a merchant caravan to Ceuta or Tunis, and from there jump on a venetian trade ship to Venice, followed by another merchant caravan to Prague and eventually Kuttenberg.

https://www.liverpoolmuseums.org.uk/stories/medieval-and-renaissance-ivories

[alka]

Enough problems with 'expert historians' in the real world. I'd be happy if they stayed out of video games.

[casdarius]

Originally posted by corthew:

Nah. A historian saying a fictional game character doesn't match historic accounts of fictional game characters just seems like more racist straw clutching.

https://x.com/DanielVavra/status/569686445344079872?lang=en

[Колбаска]

Originally posted by 󠀡󠀡:

Medieval europe imported ivory, ebony wood and other valuable materials from africa. So why is it so hard to imagine that someone like Musa would hang along a merchant caravan to Ceuta or Tunis, and from there jump on a venetian trade ship to Venice, followed by another merchant caravan to Prague and eventually Kuttenberg.

https://www.liverpoolmuseums.org.uk/stories/medieval-and-renaissance-ivories

Because usually the goods were sold at the port and were already transported from the port by people of the country to which the goods arrived, this is still the case if you did not know. And also people were very unfriendly, you could be killed for not praying the way they do, even if you are also religious, and for having a great skin color, you would be killed just because you could believe that a man with black skin was an accomplice of the devil. This happened in the past. If you don't like the story, play games about the future instead of changing the story with a fake.

And take the trouble to watch the video, it's really interesting, maybe you'll become a little more educated because of it.

[n0mad23]

The "selective outrage" pretty much shows everything you need to know. A bit like "throwing everything to the wall to see what sticks" isn't it?

Ignore that actual historic figures exist outside of real timelines. Check.

Ignore that an illiterate son of a blacksmith (but biologically sired by a nobleman) who sports a bandage in the opening sequences of the first game from a girl with a wooden sword becomes one of the best sword fighters ever in just a few months.

I actually laughed out loud when it was revealed that Henry had noble blood, as it seemed like the devs had resorted to The Great Chain of Being, which of course totally explains why Hal gits gud. It's in his blood, Praise God. Lol.

I cannot speak to Bohemia, but I've seen enough paintings from France and England from this time period, and yes indeed there were Africans visiting Europe. A lot? Of course not. And since it's before the advent of the New World Slave Trade, the paintings do not show them in "subservient" positions either.

[Колбаска]

Originally posted by alka:

Enough problems with 'expert historians' in the real world. I'd be happy if they stayed out of video games.

There's enough politics in the real world as it is, why don't woke adherents stop poking their noses into games first?