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Sassy Jan 21 @ 9:02am
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I time travelled and asked Old Warhorse themselves to settle the debate once and for all.
Quoting WarhorseStudios, "Samesex romance, no you will play as Henry, the son of a Blacksmith from Silver Skalice, and he already does have a background Story in wich he is not a bi- oder ♥♥♥♥-sexual.
But there will be homosexual NPC characters in the game."

"Nobody will force you to do anything. But you will play as Henry the son of a blacksmith, and yes, he is staight, and white and male and from Bohemia.
Someone from France will not be able to play a french guy even if he loves his country. If you are in a wheelchair, you will be able to walk in the game.
And Henry will be able to have a dog in the game, even if you are more a kind of cat-person. You will play as a christian person, even if you are a moslem, hindu, atheist or jedi.

What if you are an artist, and drawing is your life, and now you have to play as a character who is not able to hold a brush or pen at all. Or if you are tall or small or big or skinny.

There is nothing wrong about people to have different preferences and heritages, but we can not cover them all and we don´t want to,
we want to tell the story of Henry the son of a Blacksmith from Silver Skalice, and he will be different from you, not only in his sexuality, but in his heritage,
in his looks and in his biography and many more. He maybe will be able to do things you are not able to do in real life while he lacks in other tasks in which you are great.
This game is not meant to be about you. You are not Henry, you are Yan Silva, and you will be able to play as Henry if you want to. You can play his role.

There are so much facets that creates a character, a person and individual. Being gay or straight is not the only difference between people. People are people."

https://imgur.com/a/WArpoMt

Had to be done.
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Originally posted by 𝙹𝚎𝚜𝚝𝚎𝚛:
Originally posted by DubzBreezy:
Originally posted by Dr. Fusselpulli:

It's really not easy to get to this cutscene. You have to push much more with your choices then "just be nice" to a male character. This is not like the quest in KCD1 with Lady Stephanie where you accept a nice shirt and suddenly it happens...

The problem is, many of us exhaust all dialogue. And I just hate the idea of having to walk on eggshells around Hans or whomever the character is in order to avoid having sex with him. What happened to wholesome bromance? This is why I think a game rule to remove the scene or final gay choices would be best.
@Dr. Fusselpull
Very important point raised here :steamthis: And it's not just an "option". These "options" need to be written, voiced, motion captured. You said it's very difficult to attain, that you have to do some quests and make certain choices the right way to get it, which clearly shows how much work has gone in there, making it an entire "adventure" to explore Henry's sexuality. This was time and resources that were better spent on something else.

We know this wasn't in the vision when they made the first game as was evident to even you when you made that comment, or they would've replaced one of the female romance options with a male one, added a "male bathmaid" somewhere to suggest it.

We also have Daniel Vavra on record telling someone off that "there were no black people in medieval Bohemia". Note the highlight, medieval Bohemia, not just "rural Bohemia" as he's just backtracked pointing to Kuttenberg being an urban centre to justify Musa's presence when he may as well not have been written in at all.

These are just complaints based on what's been leaked so far. We don't know what else is in the game that could raise eyebrows. None of this was communicated to us, it wasn't shown in any of the gameplays or trailers. The "lover" segment of the official reveal trailer showed Henry kissing a woman, that sends the message of consistency re Henry's sexuality. Which means they did not intend to tell us what was in the game before it was too late, unlike 8 years ago. That's not an okay practice, especially for you guys. Mr. Vavra only responded when the cat was out of the bag already.

And considering that KCD was intended to be a single game before being split into two, we can safely say none of this was in Warhorse's original vision.

We defended you guys for years from the people calling you and regular fans nazis for not meeting their threshold for including everyone in everything to be "good", a premise that Daniel Vavra himself claimed to reject. But this has been a very humbling few weeks for us. Now the people who previously attacked you are lauding you for slamming us as grifters.

I have no expectations of the aforementioned content being removed and I'm not asking you to give an answer besides what you and Mr. Vavra have already repeated thus far, but suffice to say that I and the others who've raised concerns about it would've bought the gold edition of Kingdom Come Deliverance II at full price (I pre-ordered my copy but refunded it after the leaks) without question if it wasn't there at all. The principles matter too.

Just feedback from a disappointed fan, and this is my final word on this subject so please do forward this to the studio. I wish you good luck.
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smoketrees Jan 21 @ 9:07am 
Very good.

I think current day Warhorse could learn a lot from these guys.
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Midnightfen88 Jan 21 @ 9:09am 
What I told, Warhorse are a bunch of sellout. KCD1 "Henry is straight", KCD2 "oh yeah Henry is bi now".

And some people are trying to say they re not woke ? Lol.
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OSHZAK Jan 21 @ 9:10am 
Originally posted by Sassy:
Quoting WarhorseStudios, "Samesex romance, no you will play as Henry, the son of a Blacksmith from Silver Skalice, and he already does have a background Story in wich he is not a bi- oder ♥♥♥♥-sexual.
But there will be homosexual NPC characters in the game."

"Nobody will force you to do anything. But you will play as Henry the son of a blacksmith, and yes, he is staight, and white and male and from Bohemia.
Someone from France will not be able to play a french guy even if he loves his country. If you are in a wheelchair, you will be able to walk in the game.
And Henry will be able to have a dog in the game, even if you are more a kind of cat-person. You will play as a christian person, even if you are a moslem, hindu, atheist or jedi.

What if you are an artist, and drawing is your life, and now you have to play as a character who is not able to hold a brush or pen at all. Or if you are tall or small or big or skinny.

There is nothing wrong about people to have different preferences and heritages, but we can not cover them all and we don´t want to,
we want to tell the story of Henry the son of a Blacksmith from Silver Skalice, and he will be different from you, not only in his sexuality, but in his heritage,
in his looks and in his biography and many more. He maybe will be able to do things you are not able to do in real life while he lacks in other tasks in which you are great.
This game is not meant to be about you. You are not Henry, you are Yan Silva, and you will be able to play as Henry if you want to. You can play his role.

There are so much facets that creates a character, a person and individual. Being gay or straight is not the only difference between people. People are people."

https://imgur.com/a/WArpoMt

Had to be done.

Annnnd now its KCD2. Now he may want a sausage. You can't speak for him!
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Dr. Fusselpulli  [developer] Jan 21 @ 9:11am 
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That was probably me, who answered back then.
I did not establish Henry as a character.

Now there is the option to be bi. But nobody will be forcing you to play as a bi character.
In addition to that... Henry can now also be more of a cat person, because now we have cats.
Last edited by Dr. Fusselpulli; Jan 21 @ 9:14am
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Sassy Jan 21 @ 9:12am 
Originally posted by OSHZAK:
Originally posted by Sassy:
Quoting WarhorseStudios, "Samesex romance, no you will play as Henry, the son of a Blacksmith from Silver Skalice, and he already does have a background Story in wich he is not a bi- oder ♥♥♥♥-sexual.
But there will be homosexual NPC characters in the game."

"Nobody will force you to do anything. But you will play as Henry the son of a blacksmith, and yes, he is staight, and white and male and from Bohemia.
Someone from France will not be able to play a french guy even if he loves his country. If you are in a wheelchair, you will be able to walk in the game.
And Henry will be able to have a dog in the game, even if you are more a kind of cat-person. You will play as a christian person, even if you are a moslem, hindu, atheist or jedi.

What if you are an artist, and drawing is your life, and now you have to play as a character who is not able to hold a brush or pen at all. Or if you are tall or small or big or skinny.

There is nothing wrong about people to have different preferences and heritages, but we can not cover them all and we don´t want to,
we want to tell the story of Henry the son of a Blacksmith from Silver Skalice, and he will be different from you, not only in his sexuality, but in his heritage,
in his looks and in his biography and many more. He maybe will be able to do things you are not able to do in real life while he lacks in other tasks in which you are great.
This game is not meant to be about you. You are not Henry, you are Yan Silva, and you will be able to play as Henry if you want to. You can play his role.

There are so much facets that creates a character, a person and individual. Being gay or straight is not the only difference between people. People are people."

https://imgur.com/a/WArpoMt

Had to be done.

Annnnd now its KCD2. Now he may want a sausage. You can't speak for him!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ED3Uvi4fZk4
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Tom Jan 21 @ 9:12am 
Hahahahhah no way. Such a shame so many people will likely overlook all this.
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Katahikusode Jan 21 @ 9:14am 
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Originally posted by Dr. Fusselpulli:
That was probably me, who answered back then.
I did not establish Henry as a character.

Now there is the option to be bi. But nobody will be forcing you to play as a bi character.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0GNS6F44wE
Last edited by Katahikusode; Jan 21 @ 9:19am
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bel Jan 21 @ 9:17am 
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Originally posted by Dr. Fusselpulli:
That was probably me, who answered back then.
I did not establish Henry as a character.

Now there is the option to be bi. But nobody will be forcing you to play as a bi character.
I bet KCD3 will feature even more updated and current version of trans Henry.
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Actalo Jan 21 @ 9:19am 
Just having the option for the man-booty sex seems offensive enough for some, as if dudes have no control over which dialogue option they choose - if it's an option, they will choose it, i guess. I never saw Henry as canonically anything, since it was entirely up to the player what they did or didn't do, no matter what Devs said in the past.
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Deadly Dan Jan 21 @ 9:19am 
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So from their perspective at the time, Henry was an already established straight character. That means it is objectively correct to say that in KCD2 they changed Henry into something he was not in the first game.
I wonder how that makes sense characterwise, as they seemed pretty determined back then, that Henry would not act outside of his already established personality, but now he just does because ... he just does okay??
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ColdHimmel Jan 21 @ 9:21am 
Originally posted by Sassy:
Quoting WarhorseStudios, "Samesex romance, no you will play as Henry, the son of a Blacksmith from Silver Skalice, and he already does have a background Story in wich he is not a bi- oder ♥♥♥♥-sexual.
But there will be homosexual NPC characters in the game."

"Nobody will force you to do anything. But you will play as Henry the son of a blacksmith, and yes, he is staight, and white and male and from Bohemia.
Someone from France will not be able to play a french guy even if he loves his country. If you are in a wheelchair, you will be able to walk in the game.
And Henry will be able to have a dog in the game, even if you are more a kind of cat-person. You will play as a christian person, even if you are a moslem, hindu, atheist or jedi.

What if you are an artist, and drawing is your life, and now you have to play as a character who is not able to hold a brush or pen at all. Or if you are tall or small or big or skinny.

There is nothing wrong about people to have different preferences and heritages, but we can not cover them all and we don´t want to,
we want to tell the story of Henry the son of a Blacksmith from Silver Skalice, and he will be different from you, not only in his sexuality, but in his heritage,
in his looks and in his biography and many more. He maybe will be able to do things you are not able to do in real life while he lacks in other tasks in which you are great.
This game is not meant to be about you. You are not Henry, you are Yan Silva, and you will be able to play as Henry if you want to. You can play his role.

There are so much facets that creates a character, a person and individual. Being gay or straight is not the only difference between people. People are people."

https://imgur.com/a/WArpoMt

Had to be done.
based response nullified by a bad retcon.
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Milkdust Jan 21 @ 9:21am 
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Originally posted by Dr. Fusselpulli:
That was probably me, who answered back then.
I did not establish Henry as a character.

Now there is the option to be bi. But nobody will be forcing you to play as a bi character.
In addition to that... Henry can now also be more of a cat person, because now we have cats.

Will Henry will have a "top surgery scars" option in KCD3?

This is the problem: Henry is a character that YOU established and built.

Now you want to arbitrarily change the character. Why? For game journalists?

And if you keep changing him to get those journos' approval, then who even is Henry at that point?

Maybe you and Daniel really should have had custom characters for players if you wanted "Henry" to be that malleable and undefined as a character now.
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Fluxuous Jan 21 @ 9:22am 
Originally posted by Devious Dave:
So from their perspective at the time, Henry was an already established straight character. That means it is objectively correct to say that in KCD2 they changed Henry into something he was not in the first game.
I wonder how that makes sense characterwise, as they seemed pretty determined back then, that Henry would not act outside of his already established personality, but now he just does because ... he just does okay??

I mean it's in line with what I've heard about the story structure as a whole, this game is gonna be a lot more open and free as opposed to the first game's linear progression.
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ColdHimmel Jan 21 @ 9:23am 
Originally posted by Devious Dave:
So from their perspective at the time, Henry was an already established straight character. That means it is objectively correct to say that in KCD2 they changed Henry into something he was not in the first game.
I wonder how that makes sense characterwise, as they seemed pretty determined back then, that Henry would not act outside of his already established personality, but now he just does because ... he just does okay??
maybe the guy he wants to have sex with is really really attractive.
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Midnightfen88 Jan 21 @ 9:24am 
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Originally posted by Dr. Fusselpulli:
That was probably me, who answered back then.
I did not establish Henry as a character.

Now there is the option to be bi. But nobody will be forcing you to play as a bi character.

Oh there are still some devs of Warhorse who are alive here, incredible.

Well Doc a lot of people are pissed of by your lack of spine and courage as you can see here (not you personaly man of course but the persons in the team who made that choices, Vavra probably).

KCD1: "there were no black people in Boehmia, period" "Henry is a straight character"

Few years later, Embracer is passing by and buying Warhorse

KCD2: "there this black dude from Mali, he's a noble and scientist and engineer (wohoooooo looks like an officiel statement about african migrants from the EU, they re all engineers and doctors) and Henry is magically gay now too or can be gay at least"

Smells like pandering, I don't know if Warhorse became woke because they hired woke people or Vavra became woke himself (if that's the case very bad move guys because Europe and North America are leaning conservative now) or if it's because of Plaion Embracer who made you do that weird ♥♥♥♥. But anyways the result is there and it's not ok, you just had to made a game like 1 but better, wasn't that hard.

Canceled my preorder, and I m sad because I really loved KCD1, I was one of your first backers, but this is a big no. Going to give my money to Japanese devs, they don't pander and they don't call their fans nazis (Euro and American devs really needs to shut up on the social networks or at least not insult fans).

Thanks for reading and nothing personnal here Doc.
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