Total betrayal from WH but not Steam - Pre-order refund was quick and painless!

[Ballistic]

Look how they did my homie Henry :(

I built a brand new system during the Holidays in large part with the anticipation of KCD2's release and like a sweet summer child I dreamt of the many hours that I would spend exploring the sequel to the fantastic first game which I also pre-ordered and sunk countless hours into along with the expansions. I enjoyed it so much I bought three copies on sale to share with my friends.

Oh how naive we were, to think that an unspoiled sequel would be delivered to us in this age of corporate owned AAA title slop. That somehow, globocorpo Vanguard/Embracer/Plaion and ultimately Vavra himself wouldn't take this beloved title and subject it along with our brother in Christ dear Henry to a thoroughly proper and brutal humiliation ritual just to let us know what time it is!

I think it's mostly been covered but I wanted to highlight the profound absurdity of injecting the "renaissance man" Musa from Sub-Saharan Africa into the game when either a Turk, Arab or Persian trader or nobleman would have sufficed and been infinitely more accurate and appropriate given the time period, region and political and economic situation of early 15th century Bohemian Kuttenberg. Having Musa lecture Henry on the imagined respect and dignity with which women were afforded in his kingdom would lead one to believe that our friend Musa had in fact not spent any time at all in his rulers kingdom! I suppose either subtlety was in short supply at warhorse studios or corpo execs demanded the most jarring addition to fulfill DEI requirements.
Finally, it apparently wasn't enough for WH and it's handlers to add more sexual content (of any nature) to satisfy corporate demands, they had to go ahead and retcon the main character Henry (out of all of the possible characters in the game) and have him engage in an incredulous storyline arc which would be wholly alien to the Henry which we knew just moments before in KCD1.

Thankfully, I got a full refund today through Steam for the Gold edition, I'll be spending that $120.33 CAD on a nice steak dinner and evening out. I'll play Vanguards' re-imagining of 15th century Bohemia and our protagonist Henry either for free sometime after release or perhaps if i'm feeling generous I'll pick up a copy for $4.99 when it's on sale a few years down the road.

[Judley]

We were all naive. Nothing good lasts forever. We lost

[supergame]

This is absolute classic Lmao. So you want to dictate the devs what nationalities they should include in their game? isnt this kind of cancel culture? Also, believe it or not, Opinions of random NPC doesnt reflect opinion of the devs. The characters are written in a way so they are unique and interesting. Oh and yeah, Musa is complete alien for the people of Bohemia, thats why Vavra already confirmed, that locals will react to him as a odd stranger and wont be really friendly with him.

KCD2 wont be woke. You have to realise not everything you dont like is some kind of agenda. I think generally it would be real shame if you dumped the game that you were waiting for, just because of some extreme views of other people on the game. But its your decision, you can pirate it, enjoy it, and then feel like sh*t that you enjoyed the game you stole.

[BingusDingus]

Have fun without games to play, every game is "DEI" and "Woke" if your only measurement of it is gay and historical liberties.

[AstrayAmatu C-F]

good for you OP your special now because you had to tell the rest of the world your feelings got hurt over a game, all these crying babies are just a bunch of sheeple

[Foxrun]

Ballistic eredeti hozzászólása:

Look how they did my homie Henry :(

I built a brand new system during the Holidays in large part with the anticipation of KCD2's release and like a sweet summer child I dreamt of the many hours that I would spend exploring the sequel to the fantastic first game which I also pre-ordered and sunk countless hours into along with the expansions. I enjoyed it so much I bought three copies on sale to share with my friends.

Oh how naive we were, to think that an unspoiled sequel would be delivered to us in this age of corporate owned AAA title slop. That somehow, globocorpo Vanguard/Embracer/Plaion and ultimately Vavra himself wouldn't take this beloved title and subject it along with our brother in Christ dear Henry to a thoroughly proper and brutal humiliation ritual just to let us know what time it is!

I think it's mostly been covered but I wanted to highlight the profound absurdity of injecting the "renaissance man" Musa from Sub-Saharan Africa into the game when either a Turk, Arab or Persian trader or nobleman would have sufficed and been infinitely more accurate and appropriate given the time period, region and political and economic situation of early 15th century Bohemian Kuttenberg. Having Musa lecture Henry on the imagined respect and dignity with which women were afforded in his kingdom would lead one to believe that our friend Musa had in fact not spent any time at all in his rulers kingdom! I suppose either subtlety was in short supply at warhorse studios or corpo execs demanded the most jarring addition to fulfill DEI requirements.
Finally, it apparently wasn't enough for WH and it's handlers to add more sexual content (of any nature) to satisfy corporate demands, they had to go ahead and retcon the main character Henry (out of all of the possible characters in the game) and have him engage in an incredulous storyline arc which would be wholly alien to the Henry which we knew just moments before in KCD1.

Thankfully, I got a full refund today through Steam for the Gold edition, I'll be spending that $120.33 CAD on a nice steak dinner and evening out. I'll play Vanguards' re-imagining of 15th century Bohemia and our protagonist Henry either for free sometime after release or perhaps if i'm feeling generous I'll pick up a copy for $4.99 when it's on sale a few years down the road.

I’m glad this has hurt you.

[Temp950]

Are we really supposed to believe that they added a black dude into a game set in medieval bohemia for no other reason than because it was great for the story? There was absolutely no consideration to the fact that journalists criticized the previous game for being all white? That the reason they added a gay romance for Henry is also just for the 1% of players who are gay men and not because they wanted LGBT representation?

I don't think I can buy that. It seems almost impossible for these decisions to have been made without consideration for the "inclusivity" and "representation" demands so important to these large soulless corporations and the far left journalists. These things were almost certainly done to improve the game's chances at getting a better review score from the far left journalists that dominate gaming news.

So yes, it is an injection of DEI and wokeness into the game. Its minor, and avoidable, but its still undeniably a decision they made due to that ideology. Its not enough to make me cancel my preorder, but I think its disingenuous to pretend like this isn't what it is.

[supergame]

Temp950 eredeti hozzászólása:

Are we really supposed to believe that they added a black dude into a game set in medieval bohemia for no other reason than because it was great for the story? There was absolutely no consideration to the fact that journalists criticized the previous game for being all white? That the reason they added a gay romance for Henry is also just for the 1% of players who are gay men and not because they wanted LGBT representation?

I don't think I can buy that. It seems almost impossible for these decisions to have been made without consideration for the "inclusivity" and "representation" demands so important to these large soulless corporations and the far left journalists. These things were almost certainly done to improve the game's chances at getting a better review score from the far left journalists that dominate gaming news.

So yes, it is an injection of DEI and wokeness into the game. Its minor, and avoidable, but its still undeniably a decision they made due to that ideology. Its not enough to make me cancel my preorder, but I think its disingenuous to pretend like this isn't what it is.

The presence of Musa makes sense, since, as Vavra said, he acompanies the Sigismund army at Kuttenberg. He got in touch with Sigismund through some Sultan. He isnt there just because he is black. His presence also opens some interesting situations with the locals as I already said. So yes, I believe he is there because it can be interesting for the story.

Same goes for the gay option. Vavra hinted that you could get yourself or the other guy into trouble if you accept the gay stuff offer. This clearly shows that its once again well put into the context of 1403 in Bohemia. Its not there so devs can spread LGBT stuff or something, but to give players a choice, and potencially showing how it really was to be gay in that time.

Its also important to say that gay people were present in every era of human civilization. Have you played AC Oddysey? you could have same sex affair, and you could literally have sex with a goat. Nobody was hating that, everybody was enjoying good fun from that quest.

[SwanSaivos]

BingusDingus eredeti hozzászólása:

Have fun without games to play, every game is "DEI" and "Woke" if your only measurement of it is gay and historical liberties.

What is a "historical liberty" other than blatant inaccuracy? That terminology sounds like a euphemism. Tell me, do you also look outside to check the weather with your own two eyes, see that the sky is somewhat overcast, and tell yourself, "It's partly sunny, not partly cloudy"? Does that PC mentality of yours keep your nerves in check?

[Actalo]

Ballistic eredeti hozzászólása:

I think it's mostly been covered but I wanted to highlight the profound absurdity of injecting the "renaissance man" Musa from Sub-Saharan Africa into the game when either a Turk, Arab or Persian trader or nobleman would have sufficed and been infinitely more accurate and appropriate given the time period, region and political and economic situation of early 15th century Bohemian Kuttenberg.

The game is set only a few years after the Battle of Nicopolis, Bulgaria, where Sigismund lost the majority of his men, his brothers, to the invading horde of Ottoman Turks, who's Empire is made up of Turks, Arabs, and Persians. In what holy hell would Sigismund have one of the same ethnic groups who slaughtered his buddies, in his camp, treating his men.

[dvls]

Temp950 eredeti hozzászólása:

Are we really supposed to believe that they added a black dude into a game set in medieval bohemia for no other reason than because it was great for the story? There was absolutely no consideration to the fact that journalists criticized the previous game for being all white? That the reason they added a gay romance for Henry is also just for the 1% of players who are gay men and not because they wanted LGBT representation?

I don't think I can buy that. It seems almost impossible for these decisions to have been made without consideration for the "inclusivity" and "representation" demands so important to these large soulless corporations and the far left journalists. These things were almost certainly done to improve the game's chances at getting a better review score from the far left journalists that dominate gaming news.

So yes, it is an injection of DEI and wokeness into the game. Its minor, and avoidable, but its still undeniably a decision they made due to that ideology. Its not enough to make me cancel my preorder, but I think its disingenuous to pretend like this isn't what it is.

Agree 100% - very well said.

These are red flags and they have hindered my trust with Warhorse forever but its not quite enough to pull me out of the game. I still have a feeling that it'll be good but all of this is just so completely unnecessary. All of this could've been easily avoided if they just kept to what they built in this first game.

Im probably still gonna enjoy the game. But a major potion of the trust i had for the devs is gone forever.

[LeftPaw]

Why do the left have the monopoly on gays people and black people? Why can't we not have them in our games as well. There are conservative black people and gays you know. How do think they feel being banned from right leaning games?

[Mr. Snek]

What a loser.

[WastedTrojan]

Mr. Snek eredeti hozzászólása:

What a loser.

I suppose that you can give a plausible reason for a Muslim to be invited to make decisions in a Catholic Church council in Crusades Era Europe under King Sigismund who led the Crusade that was defeated at Nicopolis shortly before the events of this game.

Musa's inclusion is the most ham fisted forcing of DEI into the game. If you notice that he doesn't appear in any of the pre-rendered cut scenes near the end, it's seems that he was not initially written into the end of the game, but then shoehorned in to check a diversity box demanded by an investor.

You take Blackrock money, which they did via Embracer Group, you put Blackrock propaganda into your game.

[DylanCut]

Let me be clear about something about steam. If you are the type to abuse the refund system they will eventually find out about it and shadow-ban your account from being able to talk your way into a refund. YOU WILL be locked to the 2hr limit. So I mean congratulations this time but the moment you really come across a game you actually can't play or have a legitimate reason to refund they won't help you. Especially after making a public post that can be found within a google search and within steams system bragging about getting the refund.

The fact you can mention meeting Musa is a clear indicator you at least got 30+ hrs unless you literally rushed through cut scenes and dialogue then maybe 20+ hrs. Way past the limit for a regular refund.

So unless you told them like this post WHICH I HIGHLY doubt since steam doesn't care about politics then you must have been whining about technical issues due to the big patch which they would consider a huge issue and would issue a refund due to a documented drop in play ability across the board.

So which is it? Are you actually a fan who bought games for his friends or did you just make a bait post under the guise of a refund?

For everyone else if there is a legitimate reason for the crashing and you have been unable to play reach out if you feel you need money back. But understand do not post like this. Offer solutions and you won't have issues going down in the future. For Ballistic he is lucky this discussion board has limited moderation. I have seen people get banned for less.

[theo]

WastedTrojan eredeti hozzászólása:

I suppose that you can give a plausible reason for a Muslim to be invited to make decisions in a Catholic Church council in Crusades Era Europe under King Sigismund who led the Crusade that was defeated at Nicopolis shortly before the events of this game.

Because Sigismund in this game is not who you think he is or want him to be, and apparently he wanted the muslim to be there for some reason