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[Tactical Nuclear Void]

"Smear campaign" you say

Not buying. But it'll be fun to watch the ship sink.

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https://imgur.com/a/hOApq02

[Ruin]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von fenrif - hate machine:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Orion Invictus:

I wouldn't know about that, I'm not an expert on the Kingdom of Bohemia. But homosexuality has existed since forever, so not including it in some manner wouldn't be historically accurate.

This logic is insane.

Child-predation has existed forever. Does that also need to be in the game? What about coprophilia? Or bestiality?

Resorting to strawmans and what-aboutisms... That's when you know the person has no rational argument...

To answer your question though, I'd be more than open to cutting my way through some kiddie-fiddlers...

[Orion Invictus]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Ruin:

To answer your question though, I'd be more than open to cutting my way through some kiddie-fiddlers...

Oh, absolutely. It's why I love Sniper Elite 4 and similar games, they give me a chance to literally bust some ♥♥♥♥ balls. Any normal person would agree that's morally correct.

[fenrif]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Ruin:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von fenrif - hate machine:

This logic is insane.

Child-predation has existed forever. Does that also need to be in the game? What about coprophilia? Or bestiality?

Resorting to strawmans and what-aboutisms... That's when you know the person has no rational argument...

To answer your question though, I'd be more than open to cutting my way through some kiddie-fiddlers...

You dont know what a strawman is.... And it's not a whataboutism either. It'...s extending your ...logic to it's natural end...point.

Your basis... for including homosexuals is that they must've existed back then, so they should ...be included. Why... i...s... it so unreasonable to... apply this self... same logic to anything else?

...I'm... sorry that your own rhetoric has... you so confused.

Emote.

[bruh]

isn't the whole point of the game that it's historicly accurate?
do you guys genuinely believe gay sex was invented 10 years ago on twitter?

kcd1 had gay people aswell a gay PRIEST even.

like why do you think their religion forbids it? every rule has a story.

this really shows people give 0 sh/its about accuracy, they just want to see their own version of accuracy, not the real one.

[Orion Invictus]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von bruh:

isn't the whole point of the game that it's historicly accurate?
do you guys genuinely believe gay sex was invented 10 years ago on twitter?

kcd1 had gay people aswell a gay PRIEST even.

this really shows people give 0 ♥♥♥♥♥ about accuracy, they just want to see their own version of accuracy, not the real one.

"Alternative facts" and all that.

[fenrif]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von bruh:

isn't the whole point of the game that it's historicly accurate?
do you guys genuinely believe gay sex was invented 10 years ago on twitter?

kcd1 had gay people aswell a gay PRIEST even.

this really shows people give 0 ♥♥♥♥♥ about accuracy, they just want to see their own version of accuracy, not the real one.

We are aware that men have been evil since the dawn of mankind.

I do not want true evil to be in video games.

[Orion Invictus]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von fenrif - hate machine:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Ruin:

Resorting to strawmans and what-aboutisms... That's when you know the person has no rational argument...

To answer your question though, I'd be more than open to cutting my way through some kiddie-fiddlers...

You dont know what a strawman is.... And it's not a whataboutism either. It'...s extending your ...logic to it's natural end...point.

Your basis... for including homosexuals is that they must've existed back then, so they should ...be included. Why... i...s... it so unreasonable to... apply this self... same logic to anything else?

...I'm... sorry that your own rhetoric has... you so confused.

Emote.

So you DON'T care about historical accuracy, is that right?

[Orion Invictus]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von fenrif - hate machine:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von bruh:

isn't the whole point of the game that it's historicly accurate?
do you guys genuinely believe gay sex was invented 10 years ago on twitter?

kcd1 had gay people aswell a gay PRIEST even.

this really shows people give 0 ♥♥♥♥♥ about accuracy, they just want to see their own version of accuracy, not the real one.

We are aware that men have been evil since the dawn of mankind.

I do not want true evil to be in video games.

But without Nazis, whose balls am I supposed to bust in SE4?

[alteredStateOfTheEast()]

The inclusion of certain content in this game is peculiar, as it contradicts the historical context of Bohemia in 1403. Despite some claims that such acts occurred throughout history, they were largely considered sinful and taboo, especially in a deeply religious Europe. It's akin to depicting a public suicide in modern times - while it happens, highly unlikely and very shocking to us.

To understand the societal norms of Bohemia during this period, one should look at the laws and culture of the time. The region was embroiled in a civil war and theological controversy surrounding John Wycliffe's teachings. A peace agreement established laws that reflected the strict religious values, including:

* Mandatory punishment for mortal sins, such as sexual acts (with homosexual acts being particularly condemned)
* Priests preaching freely and truthfully
* Clergy renouncing worldly possessions
* Both Catholics and Protestants adhered to these principles, with Protestants often taking a more extreme stance. Given this historical context, the game's inclusion of such content seems like a form of history revisionism.

As a result, I've decided to hold off on preordering the game and will wait for its release. My experience with KCD 1 was marred by bugs and progression issues, but at least it didn't cave to industry politics. With more gaming options available today, I'm willing to wait and see if this new game is worth my time.

[fenrif]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Orion Invictus:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von fenrif - hate machine:

We are aware that men have been evil since the dawn of mankind.

I do not want true evil to be in video games.

But without Nazis, whose balls am I supposed to bust in SE4?

Internet tough guy, is it?

That's some vintage internet right there.

[bruh]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von fenrif - hate machine:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von bruh:

isn't the whole point of the game that it's historicly accurate?
do you guys genuinely believe gay sex was invented 10 years ago on twitter?

kcd1 had gay people aswell a gay PRIEST even.

this really shows people give 0 ♥♥♥♥♥ about accuracy, they just want to see their own version of accuracy, not the real one.

We are aware that men have been evil since the dawn of mankind.

I do not want true evil to be in video games.

so you admit that you never really cared about what the devs intentions were all the way since kcd1.

[Orion Invictus]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von fenrif - hate machine:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Orion Invictus:

But without Nazis, whose balls am I supposed to bust in SE4?

Internet tough guy, is it?

That's some vintage internet right there.

Not at all, it's a video game.

You still haven't told me if you care about historical accuracy or not. Almost like you're avoiding the question because you realize you've painted yourself into a corner.

[Sgt. Pepper]

Screenshot and NOT a link to the post?

[someoneproud]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Orion Invictus:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Tactical Nuclear Void:

Exactly.
The main thing that characterized the Kingdom of Bohemia is the sexual behaviour.
That's what people buying medieval games look for.

I wouldn't know about that, I'm not an expert on the Kingdom of Bohemia. But homosexuality has existed since forever, so not including it in some manner wouldn't be historically accurate.

There's a big difference between accepting it and insisting it be featured to be historically accurate. Just because there were probably gay people in the setting doesn't mean they have to be featured in all games using the setting. That's the sort of madness that leads to crap like Veilguard.

[Ozone]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von fenrif - hate machine:

Sounds to me like he admitted there's a homosexual scene in the game...

Homosexuality was there in the first game as well, actually had quite an important role in the main story. Might want to actually play it before being "outraged" at the news.
On that note you should read a bit of history as well. Homosexuality was not invented by DEI corporations to ruin your games.

Timestamp: 2:08:26 because Steam won't share it correctly.

https://youtu.be/bTnd6sx2HTc?si=ktr90Jra5Ea-FMqm&t=7706