KCD2 is undergoing a smear campaign

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Edit: This post was made before Daniel Vavra went on Twitter to clarify some things and confirm some of the other things that concerned people. I still think that much of the hate and anger is unnecessary, but I do understand it at the same time.

I have also seen some valid criticism concerning the decisions to add a black West African character and giving Henry the option to have a sexual relationship with another man, but I think it could have been done without all of the torches and pitchforks.

Warhorse Studios is not the same studio they were when they released KCD1, they are now owned by Plaion, and this could explain some of these "abrupt" decisions, maybe Vavra is too embarassed to admit this, I don't know, and I'm not sure if we will ever know, but I hope we get the answers we need sooner or later and things get sorted out.

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I think we're all jumping too quickly to conclusions and we're making our minds up over leaks that could potentially be all fake and part of a hit piece to hurt the game's sales numbers, as both of these users pointed out in their posts:
https://steamcommunity.com/app/1771300/discussions/0/507318268593231888/
https://steamcommunity.com/app/1771300/discussions/0/507318096807165282/

I understand how this situation might be upsetting for many people, the last thing you would expect from Warhorse Studios is for them to pull a bait and switch on the fanbase they've built, but we need to be the bigger person here and wait until the game is released to then verify if the supposed leaks are real or just false information meant to negatively affect the studio. You might be playing into a possible smear campaign, so be wary and wait for the facts.

And just a reminder to everybody: don't trust everything you see online.

The scene of Henry and Hans at the lake that is being pushed as a "romantic gay scene" by some people is simply being taken out of context as shown in 41:45:
https://youtu.be/F6GXG1HD6bg
Also, the company who's behind the Code of Conduct is not Warhorse Studios, but rather their parent company, Plaion, who apparently are overseeing the Steam forum aswell.

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Oprindeligt skrevet af Blast Hardcheese:

"Nobody wants this." No you didn't want to see something you personally don't like.

Do deaf bipoc girls come to mind when you think about Spider-Man? You don’t, it’s as simple as that. Identity politics don’t belong in every piece of media.

Oprindeligt skrevet af Blast Hardcheese:

But come on, you have to admit the outrage has gotten beyond out of hand considering the minuscule nature of how these things tend to go. It's utter hysteria at the smallest potential detail you're conditioned to be upset about.

In this case, I do agree that it isn't justified due to the lack of evidence to support these "leaks", but this wasn’t the case with games like DA:TV, the evidence was overwhelming in that case.


You do have to understand why people get upset; a company pulling a bait and switch on it’s fans is one of the dirtier moves any company could do. Fortunately, everything seems to just be a fabricated smear campaign and nothing else, and that is why I decided to make this post.

Oprindeligt skrevet af Blast Hardcheese:

It could range from people assuming the worst about a school shooting segment in Ready or Not, to the fact that you can optionally play as a trans person in Dragon Age IV. None of this stuff is actually worth getting this upset about, and yet "people" (Not to say everyone is a bot obviously, but there are always going to be bad actors riding on the coattails of any large group, f*cking up how things are perceived and making thing worse for everyone.) are constantly mad over the smallest, pettiest stuff.

I don’t mind school shootings being presented in our media, it’s a sad part of our reality that needs to be acknowledged and not be treated as taboo, but I’m not going to be ok with a game that's literally pushing gender ideology on the player without even trying to be subtle or giving you the option to skip those scenes, and they do it the most embarrassing and preachy ways, which just breaks the immersion and lowers the overall quality of the experience.

Oprindeligt skrevet af Blast Hardcheese:

Now obviously we can all have our own personal opinion on how well any of this is executed. But when we start demanding that art censor itself because we wouldn't have made the same choices, it ruins any earnest attempts to actually fix anything. I'm obviously not saying we all have to agree with what is "quality fiction" or how accurate certain settings are to the realities they are based on, but are we really going to pretend like this miserable discourse in every other major game release is normal? Should it be?

Do you think it should be normal for every person involved in the creative process of a video game to have an agenda that they will try to push anytime they can even when it is completely uncalled-for? We see more and more of these narcissists in positions of power trying to lecture people or virtue signal about their progressive causes (as seen in Spider-Man 2), this is what caused this “massive hysteria” and it’s what has radicalized people into questioning everything they see in media because they don’t trust the genuinity of anything anymore.

I don’t like how volatile everything is right now, there are a lot of people who are easily manipulated and that have been radicalized way too much on both sides of the debate, but you can’t blame everything on them, since they didn’t create the problems that they complain about, it’s simply disingenuous.

[King_Kiff]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Capt. B. ♥♥♥♥:

The fact that the devs were dodging questions instead of clarifying any of these rumours is quite troubling. The whole “trust me bro” attitude isn’t enough.

and here we have my example, the lying woke warrior that never pre-ordered the game, doesn't own the first one and was never going to buy this one... Now suddenly concerned about woke that doesn't exist...

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Oprindeligt skrevet af Calubob:

Oprindeligt skrevet af WangtorioJackson:

Oh, it most certainly is, I just can't for the life of me figure out why. Why would someone want this game to be the target of these insufferable low-IQ anti-woke chuds and their bigotry? Why do they want to cause this ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥?

These are scorned players from DEI failed games. They literally want this to fail like those other games just for the fact it doesn't have any sort of sociopolitical agenda

Dragage failguard warriors super angry and super obvious isn't it

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Oprindeligt skrevet af Blast Hardcheese:

What exactly quantifies something as "woke DEI"? This is the sort of statement that lacks any critical thought. We play these games and lie, steal, and murder our way through them, but god forbid some dev team try to write a story that reflects some of what they're feeling in this moment in history? Even if you don't personally agree with it?

Does a Spider-Man game need to reflect what an activist writer is going through at the moment?

You are acting as if every game was Life is Strange or any other game with heavy-handed socio/political commentary, it's weird.

[Calubob]

Oprindeligt skrevet af King_Kiff:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Calubob:

These are scorned players from DEI failed games. They literally want this to fail like those other games just for the fact it doesn't have any sort of sociopolitical agenda

Dragage failguard warriors super angry and super obvious isn't it

It's really starting to look like it. They must think this is how Veilguard failed. We all banded together and took it down because we're bigots. In reality if it smells like woke ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.. it is.. and we all have noses

[King_Kiff]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Kaiser:

The people actually falling for the low effort propaganda make me sad, because they are going to miss out on playing what will be one of the greatest games of this decade, if not of all time, all because some losers on social media literally made some stuff up.

That said, there is for SURE a lot of bad faith actors and outright trolls suddenly coming out of nowhere trying to push the BS to try and make this nothing-burger into a controversy the same way many users on Wikipedia try and claim something is a "controversy" just because a few people talked about it (see: "Obama tan suit controversy" for example). It is the actions of pathetic losers and cowards with less honor than Runt's left ear had (before Henry utterly obliterated it and everything else that was once part of Runt's head).

the people "falling" for it and spamming these threads one after another aren't, they all all faking it and freaking out together. It's a scripted circle jerk

[Calubob]

Oprindeligt skrevet af blurryface:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Blast Hardcheese:

What exactly quantifies something as "woke DEI"? This is the sort of statement that lacks any critical thought. We play these games and lie, steal, and murder our way through them, but god forbid some dev team try to write a story that reflects some of what they're feeling in this moment in history? Even if you don't personally agree with it?

Does a Spider-Man game need to reflect what an activist writer is going through at the moment?

You are acting as if every game was Life is Strange or any other game with heavy-handed socio/political commentary, it's weird.

He knows what it is lol. They are all the same at this point. They can't accept that those games failed because they were platforms for an agenda instead of being fun games.

[Archgod]

There are two types of arguments on the same side about this stuff. It's reasonable posts like this or the idiots who insult and mock people for simply being cautious about this whole mess, thinking the devs appreciate the unpaid ball glazing.

[F A T B $ $ $ R T D]

i have the screenshots of a moor lecturing White Europeans on muh wuhmin rights and shieezz

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Oprindeligt skrevet af F A T B $ $ $ R T D:

i have the screenshots of a moor lecturing White Europeans on muh wuhmin rights and shieezz

That could be fake, it's very easy to edit an image, especially the text underneath the screen, don't fall for it.

Have you even verified if the sources are credible?

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Oprindeligt skrevet af Calubob:

Oprindeligt skrevet af blurryface:

Does a Spider-Man game need to reflect what an activist writer is going through at the moment?

You are acting as if every game was Life is Strange or any other game with heavy-handed socio/political commentary, it's weird.

He knows what it is lol. They are all the same at this point. They can't accept that those games failed because they were platforms for an agenda instead of being fun games.

I mean, they might be fun to some people, and I think it's better for people to make their own games that push the ideals that they care about, rather than taking on an entire franchise and using it to spread their undesired messages. But I'm tired of these people that believe "all art is political", or that it should be, it's simply ridiculous.

[Calubob]

Oprindeligt skrevet af blurryface:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Calubob:

He knows what it is lol. They are all the same at this point. They can't accept that those games failed because they were platforms for an agenda instead of being fun games.

I mean, they might be fun to some people, and I think it's better for people to make their own games that push the ideals that they care about, rather than taking on an entire franchise and using it to spread their undesired messages. But I'm tired of these people that believe "all art is political", or that it should be, it's simply ridiculous.

Completely agree.

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Oprindeligt skrevet af blurryface:

Also, the company who's behind the Code of Conduct is not Warhorse Studios, but rather their parent company, Plaion, who apparently are overseeing the Steam forum aswell.

[citation needed].

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Oprindeligt skrevet af blurryface:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Calubob:

He knows what it is lol. They are all the same at this point. They can't accept that those games failed because they were platforms for an agenda instead of being fun games.

I mean, they might be fun to some people, and I think it's better for people to make their own games that push the ideals that they care about, rather than taking on an entire franchise and using it to spread their undesired messages. But I'm tired of these people that believe "all art is political", or that it should be, it's simply ridiculous.

totally agree with you

[Calubob]

Oprindeligt skrevet af fenrif:

Oprindeligt skrevet af blurryface:

Also, the company who's behind the Code of Conduct is not Warhorse Studios, but rather their parent company, Plaion, who apparently are overseeing the Steam forum aswell.

[citation needed].

For what? You weren't buying the game anyway.