Denuvo? See you on GOG

[Laika]

Like seriously, i bought the first one on GOG, why do we have to put up with DRM and STEAM drm now.

[Pheace]

Waiting for a GOG release can't exactly be a new thing.

[sel]

Originally posted by Pheace:

Waiting for a GOG release can't exactly be a new thing.

Your point? Very strange how you pop up in multiple threads defending this game, no matter the criticism.

I hate to say it but this game will likely never come to GOG. They seem pretty hell bent on keeping Denuvo in

[Phil]

Originally posted by sel:

Originally posted by Pheace:

Waiting for a GOG release can't exactly be a new thing.

Your point? Very strange how you pop up in multiple threads defending this game, no matter the criticism.

I hate to say it but this game will likely never come to GOG. They seem pretty hell bent on keeping Denuvo in

I love KCD, but I'm sad to say that I won't play it while Denuvo is in the game. So many games have Denuvo and it has always been heavily criticized in most cases. I hope this decision is reversed. What are the chances of that happening?

[Pheace]

Originally posted by sel:

Your point? Very strange how you pop up in multiple threads defending this game, no matter the criticism.

Lol, couldn't you at least have picked one of the comments where I do that to respond to then instead of one where I was only making a response about GOG? I used to frequent there since before they faked their own demise.

I hate to say it but this game will likely never come to GOG. They seem pretty hell bent on keeping Denuvo in

Didn't Deep Silver buy them? Didn't they eventually remove Denuvo from a fair number of their titles?

Edit: Oh, Embracer Group, but they own Deep Silver, who's publishing KCD2 and they do seem to remove it somewhat regularly

[Redglyph]

Originally posted by Phil:

I love KCD, but I'm sad to say that I won't play it while Denuvo is in the game. So many games have Denuvo and it has always been heavily criticized in most cases. I hope this decision is reversed. What are the chances of that happening?

Sad, indeed, but there are enough other games to play.

Deep Silver has used Denuvo in a number of other titles (for ex. Payday 3, Dead Island 2), and they don't seem to keep it indefinitely. If this nasty DRM is used here, it will hopefully be removed by the time the game is fully fixed and shipshape. No serious harm done.

So far, they haven't announced anything regarding Denuvo, though. All we have is a picture that's allegedly a reply from Plaion to someone unknown, and Plaion is only the usual support handled by a department in Deep Silver's parent company. Not sure why anyone there would divulge such an information now, as it's not theirs to do so.

If they made the decision, there's little chance they'll change their mind. We're only a vocal minority, if even that.

It would be fair to have a confirmation either way, though; it would be the respectable thing to do, but that doesn't seem to be their major concern.

[Dreaming Prince]

meh, im not buying anything with denuvo either. too bad. gna play some eye of the beholder, it got the good old word 4 on page 12 stuff, seem to work about the same as denuvo regarding piracy, minus all the shady stuff..

[Laika]

I mean, DRM is fine if it works, But Denuvo does not function. Its like you are adding an extreme performance overhead. This is especially noticeable on slower CPU's such as the steamdeck.

[Pheace]

Originally posted by Laika:

I mean, DRM is fine if it works, But Denuvo does not function. Its like you are adding an extreme performance overhead. This is especially noticeable on slower CPU's such as the steamdeck.

If it's well implemented it should be largely unnoticeable. It's just not always well implemented. And sometimes people think performance hits are Denuvo but it's not (like the Capcom DRM cases)

[lukaself]

Originally posted by Pheace:

Originally posted by Laika:

I mean, DRM is fine if it works, But Denuvo does not function. Its like you are adding an extreme performance overhead. This is especially noticeable on slower CPU's such as the steamdeck.

And sometimes people think performance hits are Denuvo but it's not (like the Capcom DRM cases)

I see that rumour repeated often and yet it has never been confirmed one way or another. The consensus was rather that the interaction between the two caused the issues, not one or the other.

[Pheace]

Originally posted by lukaself:

I see that rumour repeated often and yet it has never been confirmed one way or another. The consensus was rather that the interaction between the two caused the issues, not one or the other.

I have no doubt that's the consensus among people who complain about Denuvo, I've not seen it be the consensus among those that don't. Not that most people, who don't, even involve themselves in these discussions.

According to a Eurogamer article Empress herself mentioned the Capcom DRM as a primary source:

""All in-game shutters like the one from when you kill a zombie are fixed because Capcom DRM's entry points are patched out so most of their functions are never executed anymore," explained hacker Empress, who claims playing a pirated version of the game without Capcom's anti-tamper V3 and Denuvo V11 "results in [a] much smoother game experience"."

Yes, as you mentioned she mentions both being removed but she clearly calls out Capcom DRM here.

Also, companies have a self-interest. If Denuvo was falsely laying the blame on Capcom they wouldn't take that lying down.

Originally posted by Denuvo Discord:

What happened with Resident Evil Village in 2021?
Resident Evil Village included additional protection measures that were unrelated to Denuvo Anti-Tamper, which caused a performance impact once the game was cracked, this protection was removed, which led to faster execution times.

[lukaself]

Originally posted by Pheace:

Originally posted by Denuvo Discord:

What happened with Resident Evil Village in 2021?
Resident Evil Village included additional protection measures that were unrelated to Denuvo Anti-Tamper, which caused a performance impact once the game was cracked, this protection was removed, which led to faster execution times.

That's a very recent communication from Denuvo, probably not older than yesterday or today. I don't think CAPCOM is yet aware of it, but I'll make sure images of them criticising their own customer get to Tsujimoto san's ears, so thanks a lot for the heads up.

Meanwhile, I don't think anything coming from Denuvo should be taken at face value. They lost all credibility in the cybersecurity business when the word got around they've been falsifying their product pages. Source

I won't even address using the testimony of a reportedly unhinged criminal with a vested interest in keeping Denuvo alive since their livelihood depended on getting paid to crack it at the time. I think you noticed how Eurogamer were distancing themselves with the statment, taking great care to neither confirm nor deny it.

[Carlos]

Originally posted by Phil:

So many games have Denuvo and it has always been heavily criticized in most cases.

Literally nothing has been criticized for Denuvo for years. Lies of P, Dragon's Dogma 2, Monster Hunter Wilds, Black Myth Wukong.... not a squeak from anyone, everyone love those games (well Wilds are coming out next year but it'll sell oodless no doubt).

[Pheace]

I'll easily agree it's not always best practice to believe a service that has a best interest in saying that, hence why, if it doesn't get contested by Capcom that enhances it's validity.

But I'd argue, with Denuvo having said so it's at least passed beyond the stage of 'rumor'.

[lukaself]

Originally posted by Pheace:

I'll easily agree it's not always best practice to believe a service that has a best interest in saying that, hence why, if it doesn't get contested by Capcom that enhances it's validity.

But I'd argue, with Denuvo having said so it's at least passed beyond the stage of 'rumor'.

I'll grant you that one, even if it may have merely promoted it to the lofty rank of PR damage control, to be polite.

[LeftPaw]

Wouldn't it be a thing if there was a day one GoG version that was DRM free. GoG would do very well that day. Steam sales 0 - GoG sales 16,000000.