Let Me Be Perfectly Clear

[Z3r0_]

Denuvo = No Sale.

Everyone I know is saying the same thing. This is going to cost you thousands of sales. It's not too late to correct this, but time is running out.

[Kip Killsagain]

+1
No sale here until Denuvo is nowhere in sight! The bonus is that usually by that time, the updates and patches have brought the game up to version 1.0 (what it SHOULD have been on release).

[syntheticfury]

+1 I will wait for gog release if they release it there, like the first KC. These companies only do anti consumer moves... its incredible

[Dreaming Prince]

yeah, not buying games with crap like this.
gj.

[Pheace]

OP knows thousands of people

[Carlos]

Originally posted by Pheace:

OP knows thousands of people

I have no problem believing there are still a few thousand people out there left who still care about DRM.

[Pheace]

Originally posted by Carlos:

Originally posted by Pheace:

OP knows thousands of people

I have no problem believing there are still a few thousand people out there left who still care about DRM.

Me too, though many of those buy on GOG instead of Steam

[Olov]

I had to Google this.

So, essentially, it means that I won't be able to play the game offline?

[Pheace]

Originally posted by Olov:

I had to Google this.

So, essentially, it means that I won't be able to play the game offline?

You can play offline just fine with Denuvo, as long as certain things don't change.

At the first start of the protected game, an entitlement token is requested from the Denuvo server. This entitlement token is stored locally in a file and can be reused on every repeated start as long as the following components stay the same:
* Major hardware parts like the CPU
* Major operating system modules / Proton version switch
* The protected executable file

Q: Can games using Denuvo Anti-Tamper be played offline?
A: Yes, as long as the criteria in bullets above are met, the game can be played offline indefinitely, as there is no expiry in the entitlement token.

[Olov]

Originally posted by Pheace:

Originally posted by Olov:

I had to Google this.

So, essentially, it means that I won't be able to play the game offline?

You can play offline just fine with Denuvo, as long as certain things don't change.

At the first start of the protected game, an entitlement token is requested from the Denuvo server. This entitlement token is stored locally in a file and can be reused on every repeated start as long as the following components stay the same:
* Major hardware parts like the CPU
* Major operating system modules / Proton version switch
* The protected executable file

Q: Can games using Denuvo Anti-Tamper be played offline?
A: Yes, as long as the criteria in bullets above are met, the game can be played offline indefinitely, as there is no expiry in the entitlement token.

Nice one, thanks!

[eldersgrowl]

Denuvo = no buy

[Dax_B]

Who actually cares? I don't mean to be so dismissive, but complaining about Denuvo in Steam forums have never changed anything previously. I and my group have played countless games that have been 'infested' with this DRM now and have had zero issues. We wouldn't even know it was there if it wasn't for the Steam store page highlighting it.

I'll carry on buying these games and giving no thought to these boogieman apps.

[Z3r0_]

Originally posted by Dax_B:

Who actually cares? I don't mean to be so dismissive, but complaining about Denuvo in Steam forums have never changed anything previously. I and my group have played countless games that have been 'infested' with this DRM now and have had zero issues. We wouldn't even know it was there if it wasn't for the Steam store page highlighting it.

I'll carry on buying these games and giving no thought to these boogieman apps.

Evidently, lots of people care.

First of all, Denuvo is invasive and affects system performance. Secondly, it's made by the same guys who made SecuROM, that alone puts them on my ♥♥♥♥ list. Thirdly, don't defend companies, they've got people whose job is to do that...unless you are one of those paid shills.

[Dax_B]

Originally posted by Z3r0_:

Evidently, lots of people care.

And many do not. Especially when it comes to the game companies themselves, yet to see them come here and be like "oh man, we got posts here saying they hate Denuvo"

Originally posted by Z3r0_:

First of all, Denuvo is invasive and affects system performance.

Not provided any evidence to this claim. Your source being trust me bro.

Originally posted by Z3r0_:

Secondly, it's made by the same guys who made SecuROM

Do you know what year SecuROM first made the rounds? 1998.

Back when we were buying physical media from stores and had our games on CD's. It might be time to let that over 25 years old controversy go. I highly doubt they are the 'same guys' on the team these days.

Originally posted by Z3r0_:

Thirdly, don't defend companies, they've got people whose job is to do that...unless you are one of those paid shills.

Don't agree so must be a paid shill or whatever yadda, yadda....

[EricHVela]

5 Install limit (optional but I've yet to see any publisher turn that off). Should anyone be installing it more than that? All it takes is one person who has to go through the repeated rebuild of PCs and replacement of laptops to be denied.

Major operating system modules are indeed modified by updates, but if someone isn't able to maintain a connection long enough to validate the token, they're stuck... such as on a research platform in the middle of the Indian Ocean where internet access is few and far between while maintaining OS and other software updates are essential and received by other means, but there is a lot of downtime that needs filling on one.

How much collateral damage is okay for a service that doesn't seem to do anything given all those day 1 hacks that seem to keep popping up?

I have had no performance issues with Denuvo given the lack of difference when the publisher/developer patches out Denuvo. That's not what bugs me. Though, publishers/developers patching out Denuvo seems to tell me they might not want it but might be forced to use it.

[Pheace]

Originally posted by EricHVela:

5 Install limit (optional but I've yet to see any publisher turn that off). Should anyone be installing it more than that? All it takes is one person who has to go through the repeated rebuild of PCs and replacement of laptops to be denied.

Major operating system modules are indeed modified by updates, but if someone isn't able to maintain a connection long enough to validate the token, they're stuck... such as on a research platform in the middle of the Indian Ocean where internet access is few and far between while maintaining OS and other software updates are essential and received by other means, but there is a lot of downtime that needs filling on one.

How much collateral damage is okay for a service that doesn't seem to do anything given all those day 1 hacks that seem to keep popping up?

I have had no performance issues with Denuvo given the lack of difference when the publisher/developer patches out Denuvo. That's not what bugs me. Though, publishers/developers patching out Denuvo seems to tell me they might not want it but might be forced to use it.

Remember it's 5 installation activations per day. Aside from reviewers I struggle to think of people who'd go through 5 rebuilds of PC's/laptops per day.

And for the extreme cases of a research platform in the middle of the ocean... *if* there is some odd case where the computer you game on is somehow also essential for research (this sounds like a security leak to me) and thus needs to be updated through other means to keep it up to date then it's probably better to start keeping those things separate to its own device.