This game will be Diverse and... (Update by Dev, Clarification on Diverse)

[Tanist]

Publicado originalmente por Dr. Fusselpulli:

As this is a huge discussion within the community, and opinions differ a lot, I'd like to add a personal message to this topic.
Please wait for future updates on what exactly diversity means in the context of Kingdom Come: Deliverance.
It is clear to us at Warhorse, that early 15th century Kuttenberg does not mean the same diversity compared to 21st century New York or Paris for example.
But people in medieval times were sometimes more mobile than many people might think nowadays, and there were many reasons to travel back then. Pilgrimage, trade, warfare, etc.
While Kingdom Come: Deliverance 1 already covers a range of ethnic diversity, with Czechs, Germans or Cumans for example, Kingdom Come: Deliverance II will have a broader scope than the rural story that happened between Silver Skalitz and Rattay. And we want to cover this properly.

Without going to much into detail, I'd like to give one personal example of diversity I have experience with living in Prague as a German person. I live together in the same house with a Romani family since 2018. An often overlooked people without their own land that came into Bohemia as nomads around the 14th century.

Below was original was speculation: Above Confirms and Clarifies as to what Diverse "means".

List of links about this:

Kingdom Come: Deliverance II Will Be Twice As Big And More Diverse:
https://kotaku.com/kingdom-come-deliverance-2-size-release-date-1851420482

Kingdom Come: Deliverance II Interview: New Setting Will Feature 'Wide Range of Ethnicities and Different Characters:
https://www.ign.com/articles/warhorse-studios-kingdom-come-deliverance-ii-interview

Also note Warhorse had a "Heavy Restructuring" which resulted in most of the original development team leaving. The original lead is no longer lead of the project.

"Has the recent heavy restructuring within the Embracer Group impacted Kingdom Come 2?

No, Warhorse Studios were fortunate to be unaffected by the restructuring, and we continue to have a great relationship with our parent company, Plaion."

Combine all this news together, with their stated claims about correcting the problems with lack of diversification in the past game...

Well...

You were warned, so don't start crying foul if you get shocked on release.


Edit: More information.

One of the developers:

https://f.rpghq.org/9sM1NzUSRCKj.png

[Franzosisch]

You've been spamming the same article in every single forum and when I confronted you with this, because it's made you look like a crazy spammer, you ignored it.

And then your evidence for it is IGN and Kotaku, two completely left biased companies who jump at any chance to spread whatever misinformation that supports the message.

And no, I'm not clicking your sketchy link.

[精英]

they're adding a lady knight with a massive willy

[dirofblue]

If it is true it is heartbreaking. But I still hope for a history accurate depict of the game. Anyway, No preorder!

[Bullwark]

Publicado originalmente por 1974bootlegger:

they're adding a lady knight with a massive willy

Willy is her bodyguard, so she doesn't get hurt.

[Shrapnel]

Publicado originalmente por Eren Jäger:

Diversity in a late medieval city is not that unreasonable. It depends on how it is implemented.

For example, there was a Chinese Christian who was sent to Europe by the Mongols to negotiate. As long as they are Christian diplomats, pilgrims or traders, it wouldn't be unrealistic if you saw one or two non-Europeans in a big city.

There's always, *always* that one who has to 'well, actually' some ultra rare occurance that happened like once in the entire history of Europe and act like it was occuring all over the continent.
Sit down.

[pr1mus]

Publicado originalmente por Tanist:

Here is one of the developers from Warhorse:

https://f.rpghq.org/9sM1NzUSRCKj.png

Not clown farming, just relating facts.

just perused their work, they seem pretty talented and i'm happy they're working on this game!

[zidane4000]

This game will be exactly like Dying Light. An incredible game, but sucky sequel. Lighting doesn't strike twice in the same spot.

[Bullwark]

Publicado originalmente por zidane4000:

This game will be exactly like Dying Light. An incredible game, but sucky sequel. Lighting doesn't strike twice in the same spot.

This comment will be exactly like the other ones I've already forgotten about...XD.

Well, there's always a danger in a sequel, because of certain expectations. KCD1 was very limited in what Warhorse wanted to do with it. And the ending was a huge lackluster in contrast with what they had planned.

Now they're not crowdfunded, more seasoned and have the technological advantages over their first game. So when they stick to their style and enthusiasm, we'll get an overhauled KCD1 in a shiny new armor with lots of new additions. Soon we know. We're already almost have into 24..

...release will be wonky though XD.

[Slin]

Publicado originalmente por Tanist:

Hardly, you just don't want people knowing the truth.

Oh man, i really hope you are wrong here... -.-

[VHSNostalgia]

If he's going to Kuttenberg, Henry will meet plenty of diverse ethnicities during the course of the game. He might meet Venetians, Danes, Anglos, Austrians, Neapolitans, Fr*nch, Castillians, Portuguese, Norwegians, Burgundians, perhaps even Wallachians! There was plenty of fantastic diversity in Europe in the early 15th century for War Horse to draw from, I can't wait!

[Tanist]

Publicado originalmente por pr1mus:

Publicado originalmente por Tanist:

Here is one of the developers from Warhorse:

https://f.rpghq.org/9sM1NzUSRCKj.png

Not clown farming, just relating facts.

just perused their work, they seem pretty talented and i'm happy they're working on this game!

Not the point. It is just evidence of who is working on it and then when you see articles about "diversity" and how they are correcting the lack of diversity in the previous game, combined with the numerous statements by developers who advertise this as claiming they have a moral obligation to bring to light all of this politics in games, well... you do the math and the whole claim that this game will be "non-woke" becomes less... of a reality.

Maybe I will be wrong, but... we will see. Though I am sure there will be tons of people accusing that people are wrong about the wokeness, even when it is staring them in the face. Kind of like how BG3 crowds did with the wokeness of that game.

[Tanist]

Publicado originalmente por Slin:

Publicado originalmente por Tanist:

Hardly, you just don't want people knowing the truth.

Oh man, i really hope you are wrong here... -.-

If I am, I will be happily surprised. You know the saying though.. if it looks like a duck, acts like a duck, quacks like a duck... it ain't a horse (well, unless it is the talking Mr. Ed, so there is that).

[KampfSpargel]

I wont buy this game if it turns into a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ dumpsterfire like all these larger titles.

[Ash//Fox]

Publicado originalmente por Shrapnel:

Publicado originalmente por Eren Jäger:

Diversity in a late medieval city is not that unreasonable. It depends on how it is implemented.

For example, there was a Chinese Christian who was sent to Europe by the Mongols to negotiate. As long as they are Christian diplomats, pilgrims or traders, it wouldn't be unrealistic if you saw one or two non-Europeans in a big city.

There's always, *always* that one who has to 'well, actually' some ultra rare occurance that happened like once in the entire history of Europe and act like it was occuring all over the continent.
Sit down.

Random peasant boy becomes knight and meets dozens of significant historical figures - I sleep

Random peasant boy becomes knight and meets dozens of significant historical figures (some of them are not white) - REAL ♥♥♥♥?

Curious how the race of characters is always the point all this concern about "historical accuracy" is mysteriously triggered by.. improbable coincidences are fine so long as it's not certain kinds of coincidences

[Tanist]

Publicado originalmente por Ash//Fox:

Publicado originalmente por Shrapnel:

There's always, *always* that one who has to 'well, actually' some ultra rare occurance that happened like once in the entire history of Europe and act like it was occuring all over the continent.
Sit down.

Random peasant boy becomes knight and meets dozens of significant historical figures - I sleep

Random peasant boy becomes knight and meets dozens of significant historical figures (some of them are not white) - REAL ♥♥♥♥?

Curious how the race of characters is always the point all this concern about "historical accuracy" is mysteriously triggered by.. improbable coincidences are fine so long as it's not certain kinds of coincidences

Because there isn't a political movement about random peasant boys becoming a knight being pushed throughout society as a moral imperative?

One is simply a means to insert the player into a historical setting to experience it, the other is to virtue signal modern politics into the history to right some perceived injustice.

One is just an honest tool, the other is a devious motive.