Mass Effect (2007)

Mass Effect (2007)

Malak Dec 17, 2014 @ 9:44am
[Spoilers] ME3 Geth or Quarians?
So it is true that you can get both the Geth or the Quarians on your side? After just being shot at by the Quarians while helping them, I said "up yours Quarians" and went with the Geth. 505 points alone for their force. Also, that reaper battle just before really was not fun at all. If my friend had not told me to strafe-roll, I never would have made it past it! Ugh.
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It is possible, if you do certain things in 2 and 3, such as Tali's loyalty mission and the mission on Rannoch (I think it was Rannoch, its been forever.) where you have to resuce the Quarian Commander
I'd recommend posting about 3 in the forums for 2, as its a bit less spoilery.
Malak Dec 17, 2014 @ 12:16pm 
I did Tali's mission in 2, but she got pissed when I ratted-out what her Dad did, to save her butt. So maybe it was not an option for me. I also rescued their general in 3.
From the wiki:
Note: The Reputation check's requirements are complex. First, there are factors which seem to be purely pass/fail; missing even one of them flunks the Reputation check:
Shepard must have at least four bars of Reputation.
Tali and Legion must both be present, which requires an imported save from Mass Effect 2. If no save was imported, Tali will have been exiled and will not be able to support Shepard with an Admiral's authority, while Legion will not appear at all.
The mission Rannoch: Geth Fighter Squadrons must be completed.

Additionally, there are other factors which build up Shepard's trustworthiness to both parties; if Shepard has not done enough of them, the Commander will not have the groundswell of goodwill needed to moderate a cease-fire. According to the official Prima Games guide, each factor has a certain "point" value, and at least 5 "points" are necessary for the cease-fire to occur. These factors are:
(+2 points) Destroying the heretic geth in Legion: A House Divided. In shipboard conversation, you can ask Legion about the repercussions of your decision, and it will mention that the absence of the Heretics made the consensus to join the "Old Machines" more difficult to achieve. Geth forces are also considerably weakened without the aid of the Heretics, giving the Migrant Fleet an edge in the battle and reducing the quarians' overall casualties.
(+2 points) Preventing Tali's exile in Tali: Treason without presenting evidence of Admiral Rael'Zorah's experiments on the geth. While it's possible to present the evidence and still be able to broker peace, it adds its own problem in that it makes Tali far less likely to survive the attack on the Collector Base.
(+1 point) Brokering a peace in the Tali/Legion loyalty argument. If the player did not have sufficient Paragon/Renegade points at that time, loyalty of either Tali or Legion would have been lost. In that case -- even if loyalty had been regained later -- this "point" will not count towards the five needed to pass the Reputation check (and broker the ceasefire).
(+1 point) Completing Rannoch: Admiral Koris.
(+1 point) Saving Admiral Koris during Rannoch: Admiral Koris.
Pearls of Wisdom Dec 17, 2014 @ 5:50pm 
I have gotten them both before so it is possible.
KaJuN Dec 17, 2014 @ 9:24pm 
I started out on ME3 and somehow had a massive brain fart and agreed to let the Geth wipe out the Quarians. I actually felt bad in real life for about three days afterward. This game series gets into you!
AGreeNer Dec 18, 2014 @ 6:40am 
You can get both,
Malak Dec 18, 2014 @ 6:47am 
Tali died in ME2 on this playthrough for me, so I had no chance. Being in charge and having to do all the butt-kissing politics sucks. Glad I don't have to do it in real life. I'd rather just be James and kick a** as asked.
RobotParty Dec 19, 2014 @ 12:03am 
Basically, good-guy endings for both Tali and Legion. Try to negotiate with Legion at the end of Rannoch.

That being said, you also have to put aside all prejudice in ME3 as well. No taking sides initially.
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Malak Dec 19, 2014 @ 5:31am 
Just finished ME3. No one died although Tali, Miranda, Garrus, and Zaeed were already dead before I started. Destroyed the reapers.
SwobyJ Dec 21, 2014 @ 1:59pm 
Cured Genophage with Wrex and Eve as leaders.
Brought Rannoch Peace between Quarians and Geth.
Chose the Max EMS Destroy, so Shepard lived, but the Geth and EDI still died. I was okay with that, and I have hope that this cycle and the Quarians do better with AI this next time around.
Malak Dec 22, 2014 @ 6:36am 
EDI died? I wonder if I killed her also. Now that you mention it, not sure I saw her afterwards. That would suck. She kicks a** as a team member.
SwobyJ Dec 22, 2014 @ 8:09am 
Originally posted by Malak:
EDI died? I wonder if I killed her also. Now that you mention it, not sure I saw her afterwards. That would suck. She kicks a** as a team member.

The implications for anything tech-related:
Minimum/Low/High EMS Destroy --> EDI gone, Geth (if alive) gone, Shepard gone, Reapers gone
Max EMS Destroy --> EDI gone, Geth (if alive) gone, Shepard survive, Reapers gone
Any EMS Control --> EDI survive, Geth (if alive) survive, Shepard gone but copied into Reaper intelligence, Reapers survive but controlled
Synthesis --> EDI survive in new form, Geth (if alive) survive in new form, Shepard gone but disseminated to galaxy, Reapers survive in new form

The EMS (Destroy, Control) otherwise determines (depending on if you have Extended Cut at least) the state of Earth+London, the state of the Citadel, how fast things are rebuilt and surpassed (Synthesis).

'Geth' could be made again in Destroy, and possibly the same with 'EDI', but they wouldn't be the same ones as before. They'd have to go on the memories that others had of the old them, if anything. The Destroy blast targeted anything that could be determined by its computations to be 'synthetic life', and the lower the EMS, the more collateral damage occurs, while the higher EMS, the more it is able to pinpoint specifically 'Reaper code' (which would include EDI and Geth, but not necessarily Shepard).

Now how Shepard even survived what happened there in any real way ... well, I have my theories and they're crazy mind trip theories so my answer above is just with taking the ending at face-value and nothing more.
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Malak Dec 22, 2014 @ 8:14am 
I know about the Indoctrination theory. ;-)

What to do mean by the levels of destroy? I only had two choices.

Also, your list seems contradictory. You say EDI gone or the first line and then survive after that.
SwobyJ Dec 22, 2014 @ 8:31am 
Originally posted by Malak:
I know about the Indoctrination theory. ;-)

What to do mean by the levels of destroy? I only had two choices.

Also, your list seems contradictory. You say EDI gone or the first line and then survive after that.

Honestly, I'm not even talking about indoctrination. And even in the smaller sense that I am, I'm not talking about indoctrination as an ultimate evil. My thoughts are rather more crazy, and include concepts from several Bioware games, and while I always have a lot of doubt in myself about it, I was VERY glad to see that bits in Dragon Age: Inquisition all but proved to me that Bioware thinks of very similar stuff, and so I might be on the right track.

And sorry! That was just a typo. Correcting it now. EDI is gone in all Destroy endings, even if it is only implied in the Original Ending and she is only shown on the Memorial Wall in Extended Cut. She carries on in Control and becomes 'something more' in Synthesis.
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T02my Dec 22, 2014 @ 11:55am 
Originally posted by SwobyJ:
Originally posted by Malak:
I know about the Indoctrination theory. ;-)

What to do mean by the levels of destroy? I only had two choices.

Also, your list seems contradictory. You say EDI gone or the first line and then survive after that.

Honestly, I'm not even talking about indoctrination. And even in the smaller sense that I am, I'm not talking about indoctrination as an ultimate evil. My thoughts are rather more crazy, and include concepts from several Bioware games, and while I always have a lot of doubt in myself about it, I was VERY glad to see that bits in Dragon Age: Inquisition all but proved to me that Bioware thinks of very similar stuff, and so I might be on the right track.

And sorry! That was just a typo. Correcting it now. EDI is gone in all Destroy endings, even if it is only implied in the Original Ending and she is only shown on the Memorial Wall in Extended Cut. She carries on in Control and becomes 'something more' in Synthesis.
I still don't understand why in Destroy ending it (Crucible) wipes EDI and Legion along with Reapers? Well, Reapers maybe are made of something unique, I'm not sure, but EDI and Legion? Is not it supposed to wipe also all other technologies? (omni-gel, computers, etc.)
Would be cool if they did not make that Geth and EDI be destroyed, so it could leave some future hope for sequel of original ME trilogy. For example, searching the solution of dying suns and Dark Energy which was originally the key of Mass Effect 3 in early scenario right after ME 2 release. And meanwhile there's problem with Krogan's overgrowth or Geth's upgraded mind or both... while all these events social of another galactic (synthesis one) trying to bring "peace" and "democracy" for Milky Way. Yeah, it sounds like whinning, but they really left nothing to make sequel to that trilogy. And that new Mass Effect: Origin... As I know events there will be like "We don't give a f.. ♥♥♥♥ about events on Milky Way and we can make new our own universe with exploration of new cultures, alliance uniform and Mako"

And in Control ending Shepard sacrifices him/her self, damn that. So the next hero can be James Vega or some female Vega and everyone will refer Shepard as it/he/she because Shepard turned into another form of existance.

Synthesis end just leaves nothing left from Mass Effect Universe which I like.

P.S. Sorry for turning that topic in more one topic about ME3's ending.

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